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1 minute ago, FiddySicks said:

If you ever want to quickly explain to someone just how much of sham the hall is, remind them that while this selective group of dudes are left out, Bud Selig, legit the dude who enabled ALL OF THIS, is in the hall. 

 

What a :censored:ing joke of an organization. 


It’s just like the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in terms of “it’s an absolute joke.”

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5 minutes ago, FiddySicks said:

If you ever want to quickly explain to someone just how much of sham the hall is, remind them that while this selective group of dudes are left out, Bud Selig, legit the dude who enabled ALL OF THIS, is in the hall. 

 

What a :censored:ing joke of an organization. 

 

How many coke-heads from the 80's are in the HOF? I'm betting it's a bunch. How many speed-freaks (amphetamine users, not fast runners) from the 60's and 70's are in the HOF? Plenty - including Hank Aaron and Willie Mays. Every era of baseball has its issues. Note the problems with all of them and move forward accordingly.

 

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43 minutes ago, infrared41 said:

 

Just my opinion, but Curt Schilling isn't in the HOF because his career doesn't warrant induction. Schilling is a great candidate for the Hall of the Really Good.

 

I have to disagree with you there.  It's not a "hall of stats".  Even if we look at stats, he has more wins than Roy Halladay who is in.  Curt Schilling was a dominating ace for three teams, helped the Diamondbacks to their first ever title, and was a key contributor to the Red Sox team that ended the curse.  Everybody knows who Curt Schilling is, even if only for the bloody sock.  I'd go as far as to say he's one of those "can't tell the story of baseball without..." guys.

 

To be honest - I'd say that Curt Schilling is more deserving than Mike Trout because of what I said in the other thread about "mattering more", and how it's simply harder and more impactful to play in some places than others, and Schilling was an ace in two of those places (Boston and Phila.)

 

I absolutely despise the guy, and I'm glad he's not in because it would mean the Phillies would probably retire his number (even though a hundred players have worn it since he left) but I think he should be in.  It's certainly not the biggest oversight ever that he's not, but I'd vote for him even though I hate his guts.

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Has anyone ever been booed at an induction ceremony?  That's probably something that the Hall has never had to consider before the past few years.  I can imagine Clemens, Bonds, Schilling, ARod, etc. getting heckled during their speeches, which is something that's probably never happened at any HOF induction ever.  Usually, even if the player played for a rival team, by the time it comes to HOF time, we can all appreciate the player's accomplishments and put that behind.  But I'm not sure that's the case with some of these guys - and maybe omitting them is for the best.

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1 minute ago, BBTV said:

Has anyone ever been booed at an induction ceremony?  That's probably something that the Hall has never had to consider before the past few years.  I can imagine Clemens, Bonds, Schilling, ARod, etc. getting heckled during their speeches, which is something that's probably never happened at any HOF induction ever.  Usually, even if the player played for a rival team, by the time it comes to HOF time, we can all appreciate the player's accomplishments and put that behind.  But I'm not sure that's the case with some of these guys - and maybe omitting them is for the best.

 
Because they might get booed during their speech? That’s pretty soft. 

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On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said:
She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.)
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What can I say?  I just don't like booing, and the thought of professional athletes being booed or jeered makes me uneasy.  I just want them to try their hardest, be treated with respect, and above all, stay healthy.  I guess I'm just a more refined fan than most.

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12 minutes ago, BBTV said:

What can I say?  I just don't like booing, and the thought of professional athletes being booed or jeered makes me uneasy.  I just want them to try their hardest, be treated with respect, and above all, stay healthy.  I guess I'm just a more refined fan than most.


Brilliant. Well played. 

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On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said:
She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.)
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1 hour ago, infrared41 said:

 

Just my opinion, but Curt Schilling isn't in the HOF because his career doesn't warrant induction. Schilling is a great candidate for the Hall of the Really Good.

If he didn't eclipse 3000 K's which was always  one of two automatic "benchmarks" for a pitcher's induction (300 wins being the other) I'd be inclined to agree with you but the 3000 K's for me puts him in.  

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The Baseball Hall has been dumb for a while now.  They're too scared of dealing with  "controversy" by allowing :censored:heads like Curt Schilling in because personally he's a deplorable person , but personally his stats show he more than deserves it. 

 

Obviously I'm bias as hell and do believe David Ortiz deserves to be in (though fist ballot is a bit crazy), but he is the perfect example of a guy getting preferential treatment because he's not an :censored: & never really said or did anything controversial. 

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10 hours ago, SFGiants58 said:

I’m only really invested...or when one of my teams is doing well.

 

Funnily enough, the older I get, the more I realize it's pretty much the opposite for me. With the NFL especially, it's actually more enjoyable for me when the Bucs are irrelevant and their result on Sunday has no effect on anything else and I don't have to care about it from that perspective. I find it easier when there's no damns to give.

 

Not sure if I ever got to that point with baseball or just flew into straight ambivalence. Reading @FiddySicks comments felt like me reading myself on this. Go back a decade or so and baseball was absolutely something I couldn't get enough of. Maybe it was just easier when I was in high school, dunno. These days...lets just say I did a rough estimation a few months ago and saw that there was somewhere around 73 Yankee games I either missed entirely or barely watched in 2021. About 45% of their schedule. Imagine 2021 me telling 2010s me I'd miss 45% of their games in any given season for anything that wasn't due to extreme circumstances having happened externally and I would've thought 2021 me was nuts. Yet that's what happened and, frankly, I haven't given two thoughts about 2022 either, about the season itself and how it would play out, or if the season is even going to happen at all given the lockout. 

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12 hours ago, FiddySicks said:

Baseball has been in a pretty rapid decline over the last decade, and it’s gone from something I totally obsessed over, to something that barely even registers with me any longer. It’s been coming for awhile,  but watching the greatest player in the history of the game get snubbed from their fancy museum, while a dude who has many of the same links and isn’t a quarter of the player Bonds was gets in first ballot is pretty much my full separation point. 

And the thing is, the hall has NEVER had any legitimacy. It’s a two bit museum that’s basically always operated with selective history. It’s an insult to the very nature of what it is. The fact that it’s taken with such a level of seriousness amongst fans, players, media, etc honestly takes a lot of the interest I have in the league as a whole and basically kills it. 

 

It’s truly amazing that a bunch of geriatric geezers and dudes who never even played baseball could ruin a child’s game as much as they have.  It’s the PERFECT salute to this country. 

 

The halls of fame are basically there to glorify the sport and its participants.  They show only what they did in their profession, and suppress anything transgressions. 

 I do think Clemens and Bonds and Pete Rose should have gone in, but I think the general public need to have a good look at how we view athletes. We elevated the athletes and the halls perhaps too high in terms of importance.  I think it is up to us to realize they are mortals who just happen to play a sport better than the rest of the world. 

As much as I abhor Curt Schilling, there are probably so many others in baseball who have the same views and he can't be excluded based on that. Which brings me to....

 

 

  

 

10 hours ago, infrared41 said:

 

Just my opinion, but Curt Schilling isn't in the HOF because his career doesn't warrant induction. Schilling is a great candidate for the Hall of the Really Good.

 

That is how I view his career. I did not see him as on the same level as Clemens, Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, Randy Johnson or Mariano Rivera.  

I saw, I came, I left.

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34 minutes ago, DEAD! said:

That is how I view his career. I did not see him as on the same level as Clemens, Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, Randy Johnson or Mariano Rivera.  

 

That's not the bar.  It's not even close to the bar.

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If given the option of Schilling or Glavine in a one-game, winner-take-all situation, I'm taking Schilling in a cocaine heartbeat. Zero hesitation about that. It's pretty easy to hate a whole bunch of things about Curt Schilling the person, both then and especially since then, but I've always found his HoF credentials to be pretty much beyond dispute, myself. Pretty sure I wrote a post just like this back around 2014 or '15 as well so this isn't a new perspective.

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1 hour ago, Kramerica Industries said:

If given the option of Schilling or Glavine in a one-game, winner-take-all situation, I'm taking Schilling in a cocaine heartbeat. Zero hesitation about that.

 

To quote the great football prophet, BBTV: That's not the bar. It's not even close to the bar.

 

 

 

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Normally I'm happy when people I find abhorrent (like Curt Schilling) don't get what they want.

 

However, as a casual observer of MLB, Schilling seems like a guy that should be in. Or at least someone integral to the history of the game while at his peak. I just checked his Wiki, and saw that he was an NLCS MVP and WS MVP almost a decade apart from each other, he has 3,000 strikeouts, he led the MLB in wins twice, NL in strikeouts twice (different years than leading in wins), was a six-time all star, and won three titles.

 

If that's not Hall of Fame, I don't really know what is. Especially when he reached those milestones during a great era for pitchers.

 

What am I missing?

 

Also, Bonds being excluded is pearl-clutching nonsense. People need to get over themselves.

1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said:

and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags

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Statistically, if Schilling doesn't have a case for the HOF, I don't understand who does. He had a top-50 career by most measures that matter and the nerd stats say he's a shoo-in compared to the existing HOF cohort. And that's before you get to his consistency and domination in the postseason.

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I still think it’s the right call to punish those who call for lynching journalists. Let him in when he’s dead and can’t enjoy it.

 

Tim Hardaway at least apologized for his homophobic remarks, yet the basketball hall still wants to punish him for them. Hardaway should be in the Basketball Hall of Fame. 

 

1 minute ago, infrared41 said:

 

That's not fair. The Rock and Roll HOF is a much bigger joke than the Baseball HOF.

 

I’m an Iron Maiden fan, so I’m well aware of how much that museum in Cleveland is an utter farce.

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