DEAD! Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 I agree with #1. Considering the steroids controversy, they don't need another widespread problem on their shoulders. If they move to Vegas, I say they should re-instate Pete Rose and put him into the Hall of Fame I saw, I came, I left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrdevil Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Remember, contraction is an option in the current CBA. No it isn't. Under the current CBA and team can not be contracted and I'm sure the the players unoin will want to extend that into the new cba in 06. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesCraven Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 That would be after the 2006 season, jkr. "I better go take a long walk off a short pier or something."Some people on this bolard have told me to do just that.My "Ron Mexico" alias is "Jon Tobago". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JQK Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 LV will get a major professional sports franchise sooner rather than later.the sportsbooks don't take bets on teams playing in las vegas, they don't even put out a line on them, it's one of the safeguards they have, and i think makes the market viable for a MLB or even an NFL team in the future. Stay Tuned Sports Podcast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesCraven Posted December 11, 2004 Share Posted December 11, 2004 And talk about kicking someone when they're down, it was revealed today (12/11/04) that Wayne Huizenga, who founded the Marlins and now owns the Dolphins and JRS (that's the name of the stadium according to NJTank) will kick the Marlins out after the 2010 season.BTW, what the hell is all this talk about the Dodgers leaving Brooklyn for Los Angeles? It'll never work. "I better go take a long walk off a short pier or something."Some people on this bolard have told me to do just that.My "Ron Mexico" alias is "Jon Tobago". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlinfan Posted December 11, 2004 Author Share Posted December 11, 2004 Let me clarify some things.About Huizenga evicting the Marlins. This was expected. Then on the Las Vegas visits, this was in response to Joe Robbie Stadium evicting the Marlins (they got the notice 11-16). Some could even say a ploy at shooting the politicians in the ass to get the deal finalized. Bad move IMHO by the Marlins. The sticking point as of now is cost overruns. The Marlins have yet to promise they will. But the team president and city manager have said that this issue is on the "cusp of being resolved". They made the visits incase the negotiations fall through, to have a Plan B if you will. Because it would be a major problem not to have a stadium ready for the 2011 season. Don't be surprised if the money doesn't come from Jeb He and people at the state legislature haveready said that they wouldn't be against giving the Marlins the 60M dollar needed to complete the deal. 1997 | 2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 Well if Miami wants to keep them its now build them a stadium or dont cry when they leave. Thats it. www.sportsecyclopedia.com For the best in sports history go to the Sports E-Cyclopedia at http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannymits Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 Like JQK said, Vegas will get a team eventually. My bet was Oakland. But now, I seriously wonder if the Marlins will stay in South Florida. I just don't think they can get a stadium plan together.And that's probably good for the NL East...I can see the divisions shiftedEast: Atlanta, NY Mets, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, WashingtonGood news for 85 win east coast teams (see below). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randyc Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 in my own opinion if a florida team has to go it should be the devil rays because they have no championships to show for; the marlins on the other hand have 2 so if las vegas gets a team the devil rays should be packing up and moving to nevada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted December 12, 2004 Share Posted December 12, 2004 I think Miami will eventually build one. www.sportsecyclopedia.com For the best in sports history go to the Sports E-Cyclopedia at http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlinfan Posted December 12, 2004 Author Share Posted December 12, 2004 Like JQK said, Vegas will get a team eventually. My bet was Oakland. But now, I seriously wonder if the Marlins will stay in South Florida. I just don't think they can get a stadium plan together.And that's probably good for the NL East...I can see the divisions shiftedEast: Atlanta, NY Mets, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, WashingtonGood news for 85 win east coast teams (see below). There is a stadium plan on the table. There is the one snag on cost overruns. Then it's off to Tallahassee for the 30 million we need.CapeFish's Sradium News PageChief Architect: HOK Sport, IncLocation: Southwest of the Orange Bowl, west boundary of NW 17th Ave, south boundary of NW 3rd StSimilar to: Proposed Minnesota Twins Ballpark (also by HOK)Date To Open: 2008Cost: $420 MillionFeatures: Retractable Roof, 38,000-seat Ballpark with Aquarium and Community Center; City Parking Garage to be built north of Orange BowlOwner To Be of Ballpark: Miami-Dade CountyOwner-Operator To Be of Parking Garage: City of MiamiOperator To Be of Ballpark: Florida Marlins"The Ballpark will include a retractable roof,approximately 38,000 seats of which 3,000 are premiumseats, and 62 luxury suites. It will also include anaquarium, a community center, and other ballparkattractions."- City/County Manager MemoMarlins' Samson says Miami deal close By Sarah Talalay Staff Writer Posted December 11 2004 Marlins President David Samson said Friday he is convinced a ballpark deal in Miami will be completed soon, despite team executives meeting with the mayor of Las Vegas earlier this week.Samson said the meeting between two Marlins officials and Las Vegas Mayor Oscar Goodman, who wants to lure a major league team to his city, was to ensure the Marlins consider their options for a new home. The team's need to look at alternatives is fueled in part by a Nov. 16 letter it received from Pro Player Stadium management indicating the Marlins' lease will be terminated when it expires after the 2010 season."There's a sense of urgency for the Marlins to organize and plan its future," Samson said. "We firmly believe a stadium deal will get done, but getting that deal done is no longer simply about economics."It's about the franchise itself."The team has a series of one-year options at the stadium, owned by H. Wayne Huizenga, that run through the 2010 season. Every December, the team must exercise its option for the year after the coming one, meaning this month the team plans to renew for 2006.Samson said the team has offered to guarantee cost overruns and remains hopeful it can move to a $420 million retractable roof stadium east of the Orange Bowl by 2008, to stem the losses it incurs at Pro Player. The Marlins pay rent and receive only percentages of concessions and parking and no suite revenue."The fact is we are very hopeful and very close to a deal that will keep the Marlins in South Florida, in the city of Miami and the county of Miami-Dade, for the next 40 years," Samson said. "We are a millimeter away."Team, city and county officials have been negotiating a financing plan for months but have yet to finalize a deal.As a result, Marlins Vice Chairman Joel Mael and Vice President of Communications and Broadcasting P. J. Loyello met with Las Vegas officials on Wednesday, although both sides insisted relocation was not discussed.Las Vegas officials hope to lure a team, after making an unsuccessful bid for the Montreal Expos, who will move to Washington, D.C., next year."I cannot comment on the Las Vegas trip other than to say with the lack of absolute certainty regarding a stadium deal, it has become necessary to keep an open mind, given that the very survival of our franchise is at stake," Samson said.The Las Vegas trip angered Miami Mayor Manny Diaz and City Manager Joe Arriola, who accused the team of negotiating in bad faith.However, both said the city's offer to the team still stands, and county officials remain bullish that a deal can be completed.Samson said the team has offered a lien on the franchise as well as a method for funding overruns, which have been a sticking point."We have all agreed that the partnership itself, the county, city and team, will work together with the construction manager and the architect so that all of us have comfort that the project is being built according to budget and if not there will be early warning indications and agreements in place for the team alone to fund the increase in price," Samson said.Sarah Talalay can be reached at stalalay@sun-sentinel.com or 954-356-4173. 1997 | 2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesCraven Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Of course, if all fails, there's the San Juan, PR option. "I better go take a long walk off a short pier or something."Some people on this bolard have told me to do just that.My "Ron Mexico" alias is "Jon Tobago". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlinfan Posted December 13, 2004 Author Share Posted December 13, 2004 Of course, if all fails, there's the San Juan, PR option. P.R. proved why they didn't deserve a team. 1997 | 2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAD! Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Of course, if all fails, there's the San Juan, PR option. P.R. proved why they didn't deserve a team. Well, he never said it was a GOOD option. I saw, I came, I left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesCraven Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 It could have been worse. Parlez-vouz Montreal? "I better go take a long walk off a short pier or something."Some people on this bolard have told me to do just that.My "Ron Mexico" alias is "Jon Tobago". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 It could have been worse. Parlez-vouz Montreal? It's "Ditez-vous Montréal?"Dire = to talkParler = to speakDe rien! It's great to be young and a Giant! - Larry Doyle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesCraven Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Swiss, it was meant to say "Can you say Montreal?" in French. "I better go take a long walk off a short pier or something."Some people on this bolard have told me to do just that.My "Ron Mexico" alias is "Jon Tobago". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlinfan Posted December 18, 2004 Author Share Posted December 18, 2004 Antonio Munoz, the promoter who sent the Montreal Expos to Puerto Rico, is talking with baseball officials about having other teams play on the island next season.Munoz said that the Florida Marlins and Tampa Bay Devil Rays are candidates to play at San Juan's Hiram Bithorn Stadium. The Pittsburgh Pirates also have been mentioned.Sun Sentinel reports the Marlins have declined the offer. Also the lease with PPS forbids it. 1997 | 2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Survival79 Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 Florida senate prez: Marlins' tactics 'terrorist'"I thought that we already appropriated money to help them move to Vegas," he said. "I was very disappointed that they publicly announced the negotiations and discussions with Las Vegas, and I don't negotiate with terrorists." We are wolves • Under the moon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 Can anyone say the Las Vegas Terrorists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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