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the "Pro- Logo Concepts" shown below are essentially done, but I'm currently working to improve a few of them (based on the constructive criticism I've received from this forum, THANKS)... as far as the screen name: "PRO- logo"... it's similar to saying Pro- LIFE, ie: Freedom to BE, and DO what I want...

anyway, for those of you who appreciate my work, or haven't seen it, I've edited my logos, including a couple of new ones, and am posting them again for subjective opinion... I'm always open to improving the logos, especially the DC design... which has undergone another metamorphasis... finished? never ! ;~)

As always, CONSTRUCTIVE criticism is genuinely appreciated~

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hey, i like that mets memorial logo, and the seattle logo. and no i dont hate you, and your logos arent garbage. and if this board is as constant as ive observed no one else feels that way either. or at least no one worth talking to. so i say to you, even though we might not see them on the field of play, i bow down to you and all of your efforts on your logos. :notworthy:

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one thing im curious about though. did you add the gold after the nats released uniforms? cause i remember there not being any gold in the logos earlier. accually i dont like the gold, in either logo, yours or the accual nats logos. stick with the white

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On the Washington "W", I must admit this is the first time I can't think of any possible suggestions to improve it. You are right, I would say its complete. On your other concepts, I like the Islanders best. It is a clever innovation of the current logo and the colors are great. I also like the Orioles, as I have said before. Virginia is okay too, but I don't like the haunted house colors (nothing's wrong with the design, just personal preference there). I am not sure I understand Seattle's. I can make out the S and the M but is the logo as a whole supposed to represent something? Is is some sort of nautical symbol?

LT

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Three things:

1) NY Islanders: Long Island looks like a shark that's been picked apart (eyes and mouth on the left)

2) Joe Gibbs: As a fan of Joe Gibbs Racing..no..just no..can't really say what it is, just something don't look right. Have you tried studying other race teams to see what theirs look like?

3) Baltimore Orioles: Apparently you weren't paying attention last time..It looks like the Orioles signed an exclusive contract with Nike.

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Three things:

1) NY Islanders: Long Island looks like a shark that's been picked apart (eyes and mouth on the left)

2) Joe Gibbs: As a fan of Joe Gibbs Racing..no..just no..can't really say what it is, just something don't look right. Have you tried studying other race teams to see what theirs look like?

3) Baltimore Orioles: Apparently you weren't paying attention last time..It looks like the Orioles signed an exclusive contract with Nike.

I seriously doubt that Nike would have any problem w/ my O's logo, especially since the element in question is only a small part of the overall logo, and if you look closely, it's a different shape than the "swoosh". Perahaps it could be modified a bit more though...

anywayyyy, as for the Isles logo, the point of making the right side (tail) of the shark look that way is to simulate Long Island... perhaps it could be smoothed out to look more like a shark tail, but then I lose the island. suggestions?

JGR... I suppose I could put some checkered flags in there... but the team initials along w/ the wheel give a clear indication, no?

Seattle... aside from the overall shape, which is what stands out / works the most ... the circling around the letters could be conveyed as an abstract "wave" (the M being the front of a Mariner ship, cutting through the water) and the baseball seams are baseball seams! doesn't convey? and the peaking "S" could be an abstract of the famous seattle tower, perhaps I could make it look more like that?

As for the Nationals, although I'm happy w/ it, I'm still looking to improve the face of the eagle... any suggestions there, I'll consider.

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Seattle Mariners- I like it, but it doesn't excite me. It's visually pleasing, the shapes are nice, but it's very abstract and it doesn't say "Mariners" to me like the compass does. Also, there's a lot of negative space there. I don't think your wave imagery comes out very well, primarily because I can't honestly see the letters forming an image of a boat.

Baltimore Orioles- I think it's silly. Your logo is too modern for a team with such a long history and relatively simplistic design. When I think of the Orioles I think of Cal Ripken and calm happiness. Your logo gives off too much attitude, kind of like the expression a class clown gives after his teacher has turned her back.

New York Islanders- It's looks too much like a cartoon. Plus, the fish looks dead to me. I don't see the reason for the inclusion of black as a color for the Islanders, and I speak for most people here when I say to avoid gradients in logos.

Washington Capitals- I don't know hy you feel the need to not only put eyebrows on your birds (you did it for the Orioles, too) but also make them key design features. Aside from those, the eagle actually looks pretty lifelike. The bottom leaves me wanting more, because the head ends very suddenly.

New York Mets- It's clever, but I don't enjoy the idea of turning the Twin Towers into a marketing device. I know it's a Memorial logo, but I can't justify a team making money off of jersey with that on the sleeve. Three years later, many New Yorkers are trying to move forward toward a new beginning, not backward at a very difficult memory.

Joe Gibbs Racing- This I like. I think maybe you could add more color, perhaps something brighter instead of black for the letter faces might be more dynamic.

Random Smiley Face- Cute, but I have no idea what it's for. Moving on.

Virginia Bats- This one I really like. I think the wordmark below the cap is too gimmicky, but the logo looks fine to me.

Washington Nationals- Doesn't do it for me at all. I don't know why, but the logo just doesn't peak my interest at all. The interlocking W and N is clever, but it's been done before and isn't as exciting to me as you try to make it sound. And I'll be honest, your latest eagle incarnation makes me think of Ray Charles. The star doesn't look like an eye that much, and makes me think your eagle is blind. I'd lose what I'm guessing is supposed to be a talon at the bottom where the red meets the blue, because I think it's silly to have another part of the eagle so far from the top like that.

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Seattle Mariners- I like it, but it doesn't excite me. It's visually pleasing, the shapes are nice, but it's very abstract and it doesn't say "Mariners" to me like the compass does. Also, there's a lot of negative space there. I don't think your wave imagery comes out very well, primarily because I can't honestly see the letters forming an image of a boat.

Baltimore Orioles- I think it's silly. Your logo is too modern for a team with such a long history and relatively simplistic design. When I think of the Orioles I think of Cal Ripken and calm happiness. Your logo gives off too much attitude, kind of like the expression a class clown gives after his teacher has turned her back.

New York Islanders- It's looks too much like a cartoon. Plus, the fish looks dead to me. I don't see the reason for the inclusion of black as a color for the Islanders, and I speak for most people here when I say to avoid gradients in logos.

Washington Capitals- I don't know hy you feel the need to not only put eyebrows on your birds (you did it for the Orioles, too) but also make them key design features. Aside from those, the eagle actually looks pretty lifelike. The bottom leaves me wanting more, because the head ends very suddenly.

New York Mets- It's clever, but I don't enjoy the idea of turning the Twin Towers into a marketing device. I know it's a Memorial logo, but I can't justify a team making money off of jersey with that on the sleeve. Three years later, many New Yorkers are trying to move forward toward a new beginning, not backward at a very difficult memory.

Joe Gibbs Racing- This I like. I think maybe you could add more color, perhaps something brighter instead of black for the letter faces might be more dynamic.

Random Smiley Face- Cute, but I have no idea what it's for. Moving on.

Virginia Bats- This one I really like. I think the wordmark below the cap is too gimmicky, but the logo looks fine to me.

Washington Nationals- Doesn't do it for me at all. I don't know why, but the logo just doesn't peak my interest at all. The interlocking W and N is clever, but it's been done before and isn't as exciting to me as you try to make it sound. And I'll be honest, your latest eagle incarnation makes me think of Ray Charles. The star doesn't look like an eye that much, and makes me think your eagle is blind. I'd lose what I'm guessing is supposed to be a talon at the bottom where the red meets the blue, because I think it's silly to have another part of the eagle so far from the top like that.

Shmee basically just summed it up for me. Only I actually like the Washington logos.

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NY Islanders: Long Island looks like a shark that's been picked apart (eyes and mouth on the left)

[A]s for the Isles logo, the point of making the right side (tail) of the shark look that way is to simulate Long Island... perhaps it could be smoothed out to look more like a shark tail, but then I lose the island. suggestions?

I actually meant that the Longest of Islands looking like a shark was a BAD thing.

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On the Nats logo, where the red meets the blue is exceptionally awkward and odd. It kinda looks like it is trying to look like the outline of virginia. think this idea of having a claw was a decent one, but it isn't working, so bail out.

I think the outlines are too much. On a white background, it would look better to just have the red and the blue make up the W, and leave it at that. On a dark background, thow some white around it. Lose the outlines, they are complicated and distracting without helping the logo.

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As someone here noted previously, when did the Seattle Mariners join the Klingon Empire? The Orioles will go to a cap this season with just an orange letter "O." This was already in the works before your design, so you can save on the lawyers expense. The Islander's shark looks like what was left after Chief Brody blew up the shark in Jaws . Why does your "Washington" design differ from your W/N logo? I agree with the comment about not using the WTC as a marketing device.

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thanks...

I hear ya about the "Ray Charles" thing w/ the star, but I'd like to still have the star for an eye... how can I make it work? I'll experiment w/o outlines as well.

as for the O's class clown... img_20040808.gif

that logo was around for 20+ years, which Cal Ripken wore for most of his ironman career. as for the eyebrows in my birds, it gives them a more human feel...

Isles: The reason for the shark / island is that the island resembles a fish + the largest great white shark ever caught on the east coast hangs at Gossmans wharf, on Montauk Point, Long Island NY... as for using black, I suppose I could cut down on it some more, and put some more "life" in the shark.

Mets / Memorial: was done to UNITE the two towers, ie: holding hands~ in a tribute to the STRENGTH of the city... + I remember the Mets players wearing NYFD caps following the tragedy, and thinking ... a memorial logo of some sort should be made... cause although people move forward, we will NEVER forget, and we should always be proud of what the towers represent: M anhattan. If not for the Mets, than at least for NY city. + I think the Mets need to have an "M" instead of the NY which too closely resembles the Yankees.

The Mariners logo is truly subjective... I would post the responses that I've gotten from M's fans, but it would certainly be made into another Sophacles Popadopolous letter, which WAS funny... but in all honesty, you KNOW my (Caps) case was not so far fetched. If I were to post the entire legal case online, you would realize that they should absolutely have credited / compensated me for contributing to the design process... the season tickets they offered me (after I approached them about it) was an insult.

yinyangsmiley face: a "modern" combination of 2 highly recognizable / commercially successful symbols... no doubt, there's a market niche.

JGR: true, could use some livelier colors...

~C

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seriously, it's a moot point....the more you bring it up, the more you'll get slammed for it.

as for your logos, they look like they belong on bootleg t-shirts sold about 5 blocks from the teams respective stadiums for $5 a pop. i don't really see the 'major league' appeal of them at all. but that's just me.

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