NJTank Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 Yeah the Bay Area needs a team the Sharks are too good of uniform to be contracted and they have true fans and a large market.Heres my ideaGet rid ofFlordia PanthersCarolina HurricanesPhoenix CoyotesAtlanta ThrasehersNashville Predatorsand Mighty Duck of AnaheimWeather its contraction or relocation whihc i prefer these 6 markets are the ones that should be eliminated. If its relocationI say put teams in these citiesWinnipegPortlandSeattleSalt LakeHamiltonHalifax www.sportsecyclopedia.com For the best in sports history go to the Sports E-Cyclopedia at http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 Here's my fantasy alignment:Smythe Division:CalgaryColoradoEdmontonLos AngelesSan JoseSeattleVancouverNorris Division:ChicagoDallasDetroitMinnesotaSt. LouisTorontoWinnipegAdams Division:QuebecOttawaBuffaloHalifaxHartfordBostonMontrealPatrick Division:New York RangersNew York IslandersNew JerseyPittsburghPhiladelphiaTampa BayWashington ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stampman Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 As long as no Canadian teams are lost--well put the others wherever you want to!As for California--Anaheim should be the team to go from there--they already have the Kings in the south, and they have some history. Comic Sans walks into a bar, and the bartender says, "Sorry, we don't serve your type here." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaolinaJoe Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 Maybe we can merge a BCS type playoff system with the New Realigned NHL. "It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of thepress. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom ofspeech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given usthe freedom to demonstrate. And it is the soldier who salutes theflag, serves beneath the flag, whose coffin is draped by the flag, andwho allows the protester to burn the flag."Marine Chaplain Dennis Edward O' Brien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paynomind Posted January 15, 2005 Author Share Posted January 15, 2005 tsk-tsk.. you fudamentalist, misty-eyed, foolish traditionalists are at it again. What part of "Atlanta is one of 5 profitable franchises in the league" do you guys not understand? NCFA Sunset Beach Tech - Octopi ΓΔΒ! Going to college gets you closer to the real world, kind of like climbing a tree gets you closer to the moon. "...a nice illustration of what you get when skill, talent, and precedent are deducted from 'creativity.' " - James Howard Kunstler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mings Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 no contraction is needed, just a salary cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronChefShark Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 no contraction is needed, just a salary cap. agreed US state flag concepts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcgd Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 I don't understand why the players and owners of the leauges (I guess the owners are) look at the NFL example. The NFL was a mess as recent as 15 years ago. Now its become the most watched sport in the country. What did it take? Major restructuring including a Salary Cap. Now you have teams like the chargers going from a laughing stock to the playoffs in one season. Every season fans honestly believe that this year could be the year for their team. Btw, I saw a cool billboard in St. Louis today. It was advertising the Missour River Otters and all it said was "Got the Blues?" with their logo. Also a Hardees thickburger billboard right next to the Saavis Center that said "Big enough to hold you over til next season" Stupid NHL. They are done. ESPN should move forward on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaolinaJoe Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 I don't understand why the players and owners of the leauges (I guess the owners are) look at the NFL example. The NFL was a mess as recent as 15 years ago. Now its become the most watched sport in the country. What did it take? Major restructuring including a Salary Cap. Now you have teams like the chargers going from a laughing stock to the playoffs in one season. Football only lacked parity back then. Financially they were a mess and players were taken advantage of. They were still extremely popular with the viewing public and sellouts every sunday, save a few cities.The NHL has never been popular with the American viewing public and this is only killing them. This lockout only lets a sport that was struggling for a fan base, outside of Canada, to only slip farther down the sports entertainment food chain. "It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of thepress. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom ofspeech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given usthe freedom to demonstrate. And it is the soldier who salutes theflag, serves beneath the flag, whose coffin is draped by the flag, andwho allows the protester to burn the flag."Marine Chaplain Dennis Edward O' Brien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcgd Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 Hockey wasn't minor league for a little while though. The latest couple rounds of expansion are because of hockey gaining popularity in the United States. Back in teh mid-nineties hockey was on ABC for regular season games. Now you'd be lucky to find it on the duce. Looking back now, I think hockey filled baseball's void after their strike. And once baseball returned to its glory, hockey was gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapshot Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 Hockey is always going to be seen as a "niche" sport around the country. It could be on network TV 24-7, but that won't mean the ratings go up. Look around at the minor hockey leagues around the country. This is where the fan attraction should be built from. I don't think people are going to channel surf and stumble across a hockey game for the first time and watch the whole thing. The people watching hockey now are basically bred into it. Generations of family members enjoy hockey and get more family members into it.Check the attendance of these minor league teams in the areas where the nearby NHL team's interest isn't strong. Do these teams sell out every game, or are they filling 40-50% capacity? Look around Nashville, Raleigh, Miami, Anaheim. If these teams are struggling with fan interest and attendance, are the minor league teams filling the void?I don't think it's necessarily about price. For going to the games it is, but the games are on TV often enough. Yes, the minor league teams are generally cheaper than NHL teams. But it's the diehard fans who are continually going to the games. I don't think the rate of new hockey fans is growing that much...new fans going to games for the first time (at any level) seems to be the exception rather than the norm.Since most non-hockey fans view it as a niche sport, the only places where hockey is going to the ratings and revenue the league and networks are hoping for is in the areas that really don't need the marketing...Northern & Northeastern U.S., Canada, and sporadic metro areas around the U.S. Back-to-Back Fatal Forty Champion 2015 & 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC97 Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 tsk-tsk.. you fudamentalist, misty-eyed, foolish traditionalists are at it again. What part of "Atlanta is one of 5 profitable franchises in the league" do you guys not understand? If all the teams had a low payroll they'd be profitable too, I think they're basing the relocation of Atlanta on the following.Atlanta's NHL attendence rank (based on Pct of Capacity)2000/01: 23rd2001/02: 29th2002/03: 29th2003/04: 22nd --- Chris Creamer Founder/Editor, SportsLogos.Net "The Mothership" • News • Facebook • X/Twitter • Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paynomind Posted January 15, 2005 Author Share Posted January 15, 2005 Low payroll may be part of it (anyone have any numbers on that?)But I think corporate sponsorships is a HUGE part fo the money. Selling the boxes, and the ads. lus, Phillips arena wins awards every year for their fan experience. When it comes right down to it, what to NHL owners want? A profitable franchise in a city that is 22nd in attendance percentage, or a money-bleeding franchise in the top 5 of attendance. I'm no business major, but I can guess the answer. NCFA Sunset Beach Tech - Octopi ΓΔΒ! Going to college gets you closer to the real world, kind of like climbing a tree gets you closer to the moon. "...a nice illustration of what you get when skill, talent, and precedent are deducted from 'creativity.' " - James Howard Kunstler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC97 Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 Low payroll may be part of it (anyone have any numbers on that?)But I think corporate sponsorships is a HUGE part fo the money. Selling the boxes, and the ads. lus, Phillips arena wins awards every year for their fan experience. When it comes right down to it, what to NHL owners want? A profitable franchise in a city that is 22nd in attendance percentage, or a money-bleeding franchise in the top 5 of attendance. I'm no business major, but I can guess the answer. They'd prefer anything profitable for sure (just look at the cities that lost teams in the past 10 years).Does Philips Arena have a mandatory long-term commitment policy for boxes? I think SkyDome and A.C.C. had a 10 year minimum for box purchases. --- Chris Creamer Founder/Editor, SportsLogos.Net "The Mothership" • News • Facebook • X/Twitter • Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrh31584 Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 Yeah the Bay Area needs a team the Sharks are too good of uniform to be contracted and they have true fans and a large market.Here's my idea:Get rid of:Florida PanthersCarolina HurricanesPhoenix CoyotesAtlanta ThrashersNashville Predatorsand Mighty Ducks of AnaheimWhether it's contraction or relocation which I prefer these 6 markets are the ones that should be eliminated. If it's relocation:I say put teams in these cities:WinnipegPortlandSeattleSalt LakeHamiltonHalifax Replace Atlanta with Pittsburgh and that's basically what I would have happen. I think 24 teams is about the maximum the league can support for now. My divisions:Wales ConferencePatrick DivisionNY RangersNY IslandersBostonNew JerseyPhiladelphiaWashingtonAdams DivisionAtlantaTampa BayTorontoMontrealBuffaloOttawaCampbell ConferenceNorris DivisionDetroitChicagoSt. LouisColumbusDallasMinnesotaSmythe DivsionLos AngelesSan JoseVancouverCalgaryEdmontonColorado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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