Counterfeit Scavenger Hunt

[ndv]

I recently bought one of these, from this seller:

I was somewhat concerned about the guy's feedback, but was willing to give it a shot. In retrospect, "same as the players wear without the fight strap" should have been a tip-off. (The price did not necessarily surprise me - I've seen no-longer-current jerseys go very cheaply at retail stores.)

Once the excitement wore off, I started looking over the jersey. Neck label looks all right. Hey ... wait a sec, there's no puck logo on the back. Concern set in.

I wasn't expecting something that's authentic in the sense that it's identical to the ones that the players wear. I am concerned about it being officially licensed.

To make a long story short, nhluniforms.com says that Koho made third jerseys in 2003-04 (when these were introduced). The item pictured in the listing is a Koho jersey, but the one I got's a CCM. It has what appears to be a legit NHL sales tag, but ... is there any reason I should think that this is actually properly licensed, rather than calmly explaining to the seller that I would like to return it for a refund, as it doesn't match the image?

If it helps to answer this question definitively, this was the third jersey through 2006-2007. I haven't been able to figure out who would have been making the licensed jerseys at that time.

Some pictures of the tags and labels on the item I received:

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The tag isn't quite as grey as the first picture makes it look - it was taken under less than ideal lighting conditions. In terms of outer appearance the jersey very closely matches the listing, except for being CCM rather than Koho, so I didn't bother to take pictures of the patches or the whole thing.

Any information would be much appreciated. Thanks!

EDIT: I did a little more digging after posting this. Although this guide is talking about Penguins jerseys, it suggests that CCM in later years, and that the puck logo began to be omitted. So, I'm leaning toward this being a licensed product.

[metallirocka]

petty- datsyuk didnt have an "A" for the winter classic as draper and zetterberg wore it. they rotate it between those 3. i do have unfortunately have 2 one hossa and one zetterberg. they are both different from each other.. and im glad to say i wont be buying anymore from that guy as ive seenother jerseys hes pushed and noticed they are counterfeit. and by chance what do the numbers look like.. my hank has a red and silver trim around it, while the hossa is just red. i caught this difference in my counterfeits when i watched a replay of the winter classic on hulu.com.. im gonna stick to buying my wings jerseys and etc from businesses that i trust.

[hormone]

http://cgi.ebay.com/SIDNEY-CROSBY-PENGUINS...%3A1%7C294%3A50

Ah, remember that '84 rookie 1-2 punch of Lemieux and Crosby

[charger77]

I've been seeing a lot of those lately.

Also, isn't the font on the name incorrect?

-Dan

[charger77]

I recently bought one of these, from this seller:

I was somewhat concerned about the guy's feedback, but was willing to give it a shot. In retrospect, "same as the players wear without the fight strap" should have been a tip-off. (The price did not necessarily surprise me - I've seen no-longer-current jerseys go very cheaply at retail stores.)

Once the excitement wore off, I started looking over the jersey. Neck label looks all right. Hey ... wait a sec, there's no puck logo on the back. Concern set in.

I wasn't expecting something that's authentic in the sense that it's identical to the ones that the players wear. I am concerned about it being officially licensed.

To make a long story short, nhluniforms.com says that Koho made third jerseys in 2003-04 (when these were introduced). The item pictured in the listing is a Koho jersey, but the one I got's a CCM. It has what appears to be a legit NHL sales tag, but ... is there any reason I should think that this is actually properly licensed, rather than calmly explaining to the seller that I would like to return it for a refund, as it doesn't match the image?

If it helps to answer this question definitively, this was the third jersey through 2006-2007. I haven't been able to figure out who would have been making the licensed jerseys at that time.

Some pictures of the tags and labels on the item I received:

(larger version) (larger version) (larger version)

The tag isn't quite as grey as the first picture makes it look - it was taken under less than ideal lighting conditions. In terms of outer appearance the jersey very closely matches the listing, except for being CCM rather than Koho, so I didn't bother to take pictures of the patches or the whole thing.

Any information would be much appreciated. Thanks!

EDIT: I did a little more digging after posting this. Although this guide is talking about Penguins jerseys, it suggests that CCM in later years, and that the puck logo began to be omitted. So, I'm leaning toward this being a licensed product.

I've bought about 5 jerseys from that seller. I have no complaints.

-Dan

[spyboy1]

I think we have a new leader in the clubhouse.

Check out this craptastic piece o' garbage.

http://i.ebayimg.com/23/!BPfU)qwBWk~...7C32fZg~~_1.JPG

http://cgi.ebay.ca/Pittsburgh-Penguins-Eve...emZ380114078969

[CMUBrent]

I notice whenever I search on eBay for "hockey jersey XXL", the authentic (real) jerseys are displayed, while "hockey jersey 2xl" shows the Chinese/Phillipines/Singapore forgeries. A lot of jerseys on eBay are easy to tell if they're authentic or counterfeit, but you have to be careful who you buy from.

One of my favorite players, Sergei GNOCHAR!

[charger77]

Not really a counterfit... but:

http://cgi.ebay.com/WHALER-CANES-CCM-HOCKE...1QQcmdZViewItem

-Dan

[jr79]

When counterfeit merchandise goes wrong...

And that was in Target

[hormone]

http://cgi.ebay.com/BRAND-NEW-AUTHENTIC-Pi...%3A2%7C294%3A50

Quotes from this ad "The REAL thing guarant, no BS, no rip offs,no kidding!" "Tired of getting ripped off on so called "authentic" jerseys? No fear here!"

Really? When did the Pens have Vegas gold on their throwbacks? When was Staal the C at the WC?

I'm going to say that (maybe cause I'm a Pens fan and look more at their jerseys) the WC powder blues are one of the most ripped off jerseys out there for sale.

[charger77]

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Jersey-Devils-vint...1QQcmdZViewItem

Old Devils, new colors.

-Dan

[Brass]

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Jersey-Devils-vint...1QQcmdZViewItem

Old Devils, new colors.

-Dan

Looks green to me.

Now THIS is the definition of counterfeit.

[Thad]

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Jersey-Devils-vint...1QQcmdZViewItem

Old Devils, new colors.

-Dan

Looks green to me.

Now THIS is the definition of counterfeit.

But the coupons you get if you pay fast!!!

[sigepraider]

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Jersey-Devils-vint...1QQcmdZViewItem

Old Devils, new colors.

-Dan

Looks green to me.

Now THIS is the definition of counterfeit.

Ive seen that guy a few times, I still love the fact that he tries to sweeten the pot by offering coupons "for the wife".

[charger77]

Maybe its just me, but the shoulders, waist and elbow stripes look black.

[josdin00]

Sometimes, they make it too easy... I can't believe they have the balls to call this an 'officially-licensed jersey'.

http://www.fashionlineshop.com/ProView.php?id=MTk1OA==

[ElwoodCuse]

http://cgi.ebay.com/SIDNEY-CROSBY-PENGUINS...%3A1%7C294%3A50

Ah, remember that '84 rookie 1-2 punch of Lemieux and Crosby

I saw a dude at the parade with a legit diagonal Pittsburgh authentic that had "Fleury 29" on it. So sad.

[charger77]

This is an odd variation on a Malkin jersey.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Evgeni-Malkin-Penguins...3A1%7C294%3A200

-Dan

[charger77]

Huh?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Columbus-Blue-Jackets-...alenotsupported

-Dan

[AndrewPF]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Boston-Red-Sox-Dustin-...%3A1%7C294%3A50

This one looks iffy to me, as does this one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/DUSTIN-PEDROIA-15-MLB-...%3A2%7C294%3A50