VitaminD Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 the Rush Limbaugh experiment was a complete and total failure. ESPN's stupidest move, IMHO. It was wrong to hire a non-football guy onto a football show.But the way ESPN labeled him a racist and led to his resignation was completely wrong. Worse still, Rush Limbaugh was brought in to stir the pot, run his mouth and be controversial. He did that, and then got canned because ESPN didn't calculate how great the backlash would be to someone like this going nationwide to an audience largely outside his target demographic.Believe me, I am no Rush apologist, and I disagree with most of his politics. And I am a huge McNabb fan. But it was awkward watching ESPN bring in a guy with minimal NFL knowledge - especially when compared to his fellow panelists of journalists and ex-players - who was there to be a lightning rod, then dump him because he brought them notoriety... just not the kind they wanted. "Start spreading the news... They're leavin' today... Won't get to be a part of it... In old New York..."In order for the Mets' run of 12 losses in 17 games to mean something, the Phillies still had to win 13 of 17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HedleyLamarr Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 the Rush Limbaugh experiment was a complete and total failure. ESPN's stupidest move, IMHO. It was wrong to hire a non-football guy onto a football show.But the way ESPN labeled him a racist and led to his resignation was completely wrong. Worse still, Rush Limbaugh was brought in to stir the pot, run his mouth and be controversial. He did that, and then got canned because ESPN didn't calculate how great the backlash would be to someone like this going nationwide to an audience largely outside his target demographic.Believe me, I am no Rush apologist, and I disagree with most of his politics. And I am a huge McNabb fan. But it was awkward watching ESPN bring in a guy with minimal NFL knowledge - especially when compared to his fellow panelists of journalists and ex-players - who was there to be a lightning rod, then dump him because he brought them notoriety... just not the kind they wanted. He was brought in to bring insight and ask questions from a fan standpoint.But the comment he made was not a racist statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Intimidator85 Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 It's a shame that Alberts was let go. You may not have liked his opinion, but he was a good character to have on the show. Most people loved to hate Alberts--or any of the opinions expressed on GameDay for that matter--but they watched on anyway.I hate to break it to Trev, but you'll be "second banana" on any college football show, as GameDay is almost required viewing for most college football fans. Even Saturday morning cartoons are secondary to GameDay. He can star in his own college football show, but it likely won't have half the viewership og GameDay, a show he was at least featured on. People saw his face and heard his words during halftime of every ESPN game. This will go down as a very bad career move for Alberts in the TV business and I hope both he and ESPN reconsider what they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juddley Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 Bad career move for Alberts...Kind of like the Colts GM that drafted him...He was never insightful and seemed to talk out of his backside nine times out of ten. I'm not going to miss him. Seeing him on TV for me was like the people who have seizures listening to Mary Hart's voice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infrared41 Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 He was brought in to bring insight and ask questions from a fan standpoint.But the comment he made was not a racist statement.If ESPN wanted the perspective of a fan they should have brought in an actual fan. It's been my experience that most "fans" don't earn 20 million dollars a year and spend all their time in the luxury boxes. Limbaugh may be a football fan but his perspective is hardly representative of 99.9% of football fans. Limbaugh has always wanted to do sports. Accroding to Keith Olbermann Limbaugh told him he would drop his political show in a heartbeat for a full time sports gig. What Limbaugh did was use his considerable connections to land a gig at ESPN. He thought he had the game to run with the big boys. What he found out was that there is a reason he is a radio host catering to the worst elements of the conservative movement. The reason was that as much as he may love sports he sucks at it. And he always will. Whoever said ESPN wanted Limbaugh for his notoriety was right on the money. They took a shot at getting some cheap ratings it blew up in their faces so they hung Limbaugh out to dry. He got "resigned." Sure they made it look like Limbaugh left of his own accord. He agreed to resign to avoid the bad PR of being fired. The truth is ESPN used him then threw him under the bus when it didn't work out for them. I am a democrat. I do not like Rush Limbaugh at any level. That said, what he said on ESPN was not that far from the truth. I do believe that the media may be little reluctant to criticize McNabb. Not because they are liberals who are trying to prop up an unworthy player simply because he is black or that liberals have some "rooting interest" in a black QBs success. I think it's simply a matter of the media being aware of and sensitive to a very recent and ridiculous philosophy that believed black players weren't good quarterbacks. It wasn't that long ago folks. No one wants to be labeled a racist. It's easier to play it safe and avoid the risk. I think that is what Limbaugh was trying to say but as usual he couldn't keep his politics out of it and it cost him.He was so out of place on that show that I almost felt sorry for him. Almost... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cujo Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 Bad career move for Alberts I totally agree. Okay, so Trev didn't like being second fiddle on ESPN, but whats the alternative?? ABC sports "is it" for college football because they own ESPN and pretty much show the majority of all televised games, so I'd say Trev screwed Trev. He should have just waited it out on ESPN for an opening, i.e. Corso kicking the bucket, or Herbie getting caught pulling a Eugene Robinson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigga Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 the Rush Limbaugh experiment was a complete and total failure. ESPN's stupidest move, IMHO. It was wrong to hire a non-football guy onto a football show.But the way ESPN labeled him a racist and led to his resignation was completely wrong. Worse still, Rush Limbaugh was brought in to stir the pot, run his mouth and be controversial. He did that, and then got canned because ESPN didn't calculate how great the backlash would be to someone like this going nationwide to an audience largely outside his target demographic.Believe me, I am no Rush apologist, and I disagree with most of his politics. And I am a huge McNabb fan. But it was awkward watching ESPN bring in a guy with minimal NFL knowledge - especially when compared to his fellow panelists of journalists and ex-players - who was there to be a lightning rod, then dump him because he brought them notoriety... just not the kind they wanted. He was brought in to bring insight and ask questions from a fan standpoint.But the comment he made was not a racist statement. ESPN didn't label him a racist, his comments labeled him as a racist. ESPN went out of their way to try to shove this incident under the rug. Other media outlets probably labeled him as a racist, but he was already seen as a racist by many people anyway. I think his statement was racist, but I'm Black, and we always see that Black people and White people see racism differently. As for the fan point you made, you're exactly right. That is just what ESPN said when they brought him in. I just think he was the wrong guy because of his status as a political lightning rod. It would be like bringing in Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson or someone like that. Would you want to see that on NFL Countdown? Me neither. In closing, I think you should just let it go. Rush fluffed up, got canned, apologized (sort of) and went back to being a media giant with millions of listeners. I think he's doing okay for himself. On January 16, 2013 at 3:49 PM, NJTank said: Btw this is old hat for Notre Dame. Knits Rockne made up George Tip's death bed speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 Rush's statement was not racist it was a football in the media point. The media does pull for Donovan McNabb and black other QBs, because their sucsess is seen as a positive for the league and for socity as a whole, after years when it was thought (mainly by the same people in the press they could not handle it.) That was the point of Rush not that it was wrong the press pulled for McNabb because he was black, and because he was black alone.As for McNabb being over rated well thats another debate I think by getting the Eagles to the Super Bowl he proved he is not over rated.Rush was out of place on ESPN and it was destined to fail he a political talker and thats where he should stick. He is able to make some sports points here and there but he is not in and aroudn it every day and it sometimes takes that expierence to know what youa re doing. Much like Dennis Miller on MNF it was just the wrong person in the wrong spot. www.sportsecyclopedia.com For the best in sports history go to the Sports E-Cyclopedia at http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HedleyLamarr Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 ESPN didn't label him a racist, his comments labeled him as a racist. ESPN went out of their way to try to shove this incident under the rug. Other media outlets probably labeled him as a racist, but he was already seen as a racist by many people anyway. I think his statement was racist, but I'm Black, and we always see that Black people and White people see racism differently. As for the fan point you made, you're exactly right. That is just what ESPN said when they brought him in. I just think he was the wrong guy because of his status as a political lightning rod. It would be like bringing in Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson or someone like that. Would you want to see that on NFL Countdown? Me neither. In closing, I think you should just let it go. Rush fluffed up, got canned, apologized (sort of) and went back to being a media giant with millions of listeners. I think he's doing okay for himself. Rush stated that, "...What we have here is a little social concern in the NFL. I think the media has been very desirous that a black QB do well.....black coaches, black QB's to do well. There was a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of his team that he really didn't deserve."How's this a racist statement? Rush didn't say that McNabb got his job because he's black, or the coaches are playing him because he's black, or McNabb is a starter because he's black. Rush was complaining that the media was building him up better than he was. It was a stupid quote because McNabb had led his team to three NFC championship games and is a good quarterback, but it was not a racist statement. Anyone who saw this as a racist statement was looking for racism in the first place, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigga Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 So I guess there is no racism, huh? Take this whole incident into context...guess you can't argue racism with White people. We will always see this plop differently. I'm entitled to my fluffing opinion as much as you are. So let's just agree to disagree, because you fluffers are so quick to dismiss something as racism just because it happens to some Black mother fluffers out there. I can't convince you it is racism, you can't convince me that it's not. But the plop exists. On January 16, 2013 at 3:49 PM, NJTank said: Btw this is old hat for Notre Dame. Knits Rockne made up George Tip's death bed speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintsfan Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 ESPN didn't label him a racist, his comments labeled him as a racist. ESPN went out of their way to try to shove this incident under the rug. Other media outlets probably labeled him as a racist, but he was already seen as a racist by many people anyway. I think his statement was racist, but I'm Black, and we always see that Black people and White people see racism differently. As for the fan point you made, you're exactly right. That is just what ESPN said when they brought him in. I just think he was the wrong guy because of his status as a political lightning rod. It would be like bringing in Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson or someone like that. Would you want to see that on NFL Countdown? Me neither. In closing, I think you should just let it go. Rush fluffed up, got canned, apologized (sort of) and went back to being a media giant with millions of listeners. I think he's doing okay for himself. Rush stated that, "...What we have here is a little social concern in the NFL. I think the media has been very desirous that a black QB do well.....black coaches, black QB's to do well. There was a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of his team that he really didn't deserve."How's this a racist statement? Rush didn't say that McNabb got his job because he's black, or the coaches are playing him because he's black, or McNabb is a starter because he's black. Rush was complaining that the media was building him up better than he was. It is a racist statement because Limbaugh stated that McNabb got more credit than he deserved because of the color of his skin, that he wouldn't be as highly regarded if he was white. The problem with hiring Limbaugh as an analyst is that he is seen as to political. Its impossible to remove him from his background, and hence it is impossible to think of his comments as impartial. 2011/12 WFL Champions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VitaminD Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 So I guess there is no racism, huh? Take this whole incident into context...guess you can't argue racism with White people. Jigga, normally I get what you say, and I understand with where you're coming from. Even if I disagree with you, I respect your point of view.But writing that is just hypocritical. You just cast aspersions on an entire race by saying "you can't argue racism with White people". That's not fair, either. And I think you know it.I realize blacks and whites have different viewpoints on what is and is not racist, and that it is born of our mutual histories. But don't throw all white people under the same blanket statement and think that's OK.Man to man, person to person, that's a cheap shot. "Start spreading the news... They're leavin' today... Won't get to be a part of it... In old New York..."In order for the Mets' run of 12 losses in 17 games to mean something, the Phillies still had to win 13 of 17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HedleyLamarr Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 So I guess there is no racism, huh? Take this whole incident into context...guess you can't argue racism with White people. We will always see this plop differently. I'm entitled to my fluffing opinion as much as you are. So let's just agree to disagree, because you fluffers are so quick to dismiss something as racism just because it happens to some Black mother fluffers out there. I can't convince you it is racism, you can't convince me that it's not. But the plop exists. This is so chock full of blanket statements that it's ridiculous.Have you ever wondered why Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, and these other exaulted black "leaders", are always in the news? It is people like them that keep racism alive, 40 years after the Civil Rights era. They are paid by their organizations to claim racism and complain about any little thing. If they don't complain, they would be out of work.How come the KKK is viewed as a racist organization when the NAACP isn't? How come there's Black Entertainment Television, and not White Entertainment Television? How come when black politicians are facing scrutiny, they play the race card?And while I'm at it, why do black people insist on being called "African American"? I guarentee you that 80% of the black people in the US don't even have direct relatives (parents or grandparents) from Africa, or moreso, 90% of these same people have never taken one step on the African continent. And why do they get the entire continent? Wouldn't it be more logical to say "Ethipoian-American" or "Congan-American"?How often do you see a white person claiming racism? Hardly ever, if at all. Fact is, black people look to racism because they have no other alternative to explain their shortcomings, whether it be a job interview, or as we've seen recently, rescue efforts. Black comics can poke fun at white people as much as they want, but once a white comic says one joke about black people, here comes the racism cavalry.Racism only exists when people want to bring it up. The world would be a lot better off without the Jesse Jacksons and the Al Sharptons of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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