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I really like this, I wasn't sold on the name "Houston 1836" originally, but after seeing the logo I really like it. I cant tell if the dark color is navy or black and if the lighter color is orange or gold. I'm really hoping it's orange and navy (like the retro Astros). I will be one of the first to buy this jersey when they are released.

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If the MLS really wants to emulate European soccer, they need to allow fans to throw toilet paper on the field and and a barbed wire cage to keep out the hooligans.

And do all announcements in Portuguese.

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The fact that soccer is so European is one reason why soccer is not popular in America. MLS is an American league and thus they should have American type names. I think MLS is making a mistake by going with these type names.

Is that really a fact? It seems to be pretty popular right now.

MLS should do whatever they want to do and personally I think it's great that they're adding some european flavour to this league.

Really? Popular? I've seen more poker, billiard, spelling bees and scrabble games on ESPN this year than I saw soccer matches. They don't ever cover European or MLS or Latin American soccer club matches on ESPN even though they have soccernet on their website. I've got to pay extra for digital cable to get any soccer coverage outside of mexican league games on spanish-language channels.

You see more soccer than hockey on ESPN and ABC.

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The fact that soccer is so European is one reason why soccer is not popular in America. MLS is an American league and thus they should have American type names. I think MLS is making a mistake by going with these type names.

Is that really a fact? It seems to be pretty popular right now.

MLS should do whatever they want to do and personally I think it's great that they're adding some european flavour to this league.

Really? Popular? I've seen more poker, billiard, spelling bees and scrabble games on ESPN this year than I saw soccer matches. They don't ever cover European or MLS or Latin American soccer club matches on ESPN even though they have soccernet on their website. I've got to pay extra for digital cable to get any soccer coverage outside of mexican league games on spanish-language channels.

You see more soccer than hockey on ESPN and ABC.

That's because the NHL has contracts with OLN and NBC, even so, the NHL gets a lot more coverage on SportsCenter.

And I would say that poker alone outnumbers soccer on American TV 100 to 1 at least.

Hell the World Series of Poker was shown some 20 hours a week on ESPN 2 up to a few weeks ago. Not to mention the copy cats on Travel Channel, GSN, NBC, FSN...

Truth be told, Americans don't like soccer unless it's Americanized, like indoor are something. So the MLS attempts at making it more European is just dumb. Your average American who watches baseball, football, basketball, etc are going to reject anything European.

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The fact that soccer is so European is one reason why soccer is not popular in America. MLS is an American league and thus they should have American type names. I think MLS is making a mistake by going with these type names.

Is that really a fact? It seems to be pretty popular right now.

MLS should do whatever they want to do and personally I think it's great that they're adding some european flavour to this league.

Really? Popular? I've seen more poker, billiard, spelling bees and scrabble games on ESPN this year than I saw soccer matches. They don't ever cover European or MLS or Latin American soccer club matches on ESPN even though they have soccernet on their website. I've got to pay extra for digital cable to get any soccer coverage outside of mexican league games on spanish-language channels.

You see more soccer than hockey on ESPN and ABC.

That's because the NHL has contracts with OLN and NBC, even so, the NHL gets a lot more coverage on SportsCenter.

And I would say that poker alone outnumbers soccer on American TV 100 to 1 at least.

Hell the World Series of Poker was shown some 20 hours a week on ESPN 2 up to a few weeks ago. Not to mention the copy cats on Travel Channel, GSN, NBC, FSN...

Truth be told, Americans don't like soccer unless it's Americanized, like indoor are something. So the MLS attempts at making it more European is just dumb. Your average American who watches baseball, football, basketball, etc are going to reject anything European.

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Except foreign foods, cars, artists, nannies, models, celebrities, porn stars, generally all other women, music and the occasional movie.

I am the exception. I love soccer, but reject all of those things. :upside:

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There is a ridiculous amount of soccer on US tv. More than in most European countries, in fact. You can watch games an highlights from every continent sans Antartica if you have a satellite service.

If the issue is is soccer popular then yes, of course it is.

If the issue is MLS popular, then that is up for considerably more debate.

As to the point Americans only like americanized indoor soccer, I think you'll find by attendances and terrible stability and funding issues that indoor soccer is in fact roundly rejected by the American sports consumer, especially given the choice of the international style game.

There is a 100+ year history of the sport in North America, and it's by-and-large over that period ethnically European (tending Latin in recent years). In this case a name was chosedn that evokes as much traditional soccer history (i.e. Shalke 04, 1860 Munich) as it does local and American sporting history (Philadelphia 76ers, San Fransisco 49ers).

It's the best of both worlds. What the hell is the problem?

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MLS is an American league and thus they should have American type names.

Problem is, they blew it by choosing some of the worst "American type names" around.

"Foreign style names" are an improvement for most of them. I'll take 'FC Dallas' over 'Dallas Burn' any day.

AMEN!!! :notworthy: And you didn't even mention Wiz, Clash, Crew, Mutiny or Fusion. (Now, where IS that "puke" smilie? Oh, yeah -- here it is.) :puke:

don't make me get my sledgehammer...the others you mentioned, admittedly, were crappy names. Crew's a damn good name though :cursing:

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As to the point Americans only like americanized indoor soccer, I think you'll find by attendances and terrible stability and funding issues that indoor soccer is in fact roundly rejected by the American sports consumer, especially given the choice of the international style game.

I think I have to agree with you on this point. Indoor soccer reached its peak in the early-mid 80s, when numerous MISL teams (ex., Baltimore, Cleveland, St. Louis, Dallas, San Diego, Tacoma) drew boisterous capacity crowds and sometimes outdrew their basketball and hockey counterparts in their cities.

I went to countless Baltimore Blast games back then (usually for free, mind you, via friends' parents' season tickets), but it has probably been 5-7 years since I last went to one and probably another 5-7 years to get to the one before that. Part of it has to do with quality of play. The level of play in the old MISL was head and shoulders above the style in the NPSL/new MISL (as was proven the day that I turned on a Baltimore Spirit game and saw an old indoor club teammate on the bench as the backup goalie -- anybody I can be on a team with shouldn't be earning a paycheck). The play now just seems a little out of control at times, whereas some of the oldtimers were downright spectacular (Tatu, Zungul, Stamenkovic).

Overall, indoor soccer has turned into a participatory sport with a spectator niche (not unlike outdoor in the US). That is why the Blast are now excited about the nights they draw 8,000 versus their average attendance of 11,000-12,000 (in a 12,000 seat arena) in the 80s.

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don't make me get my sledgehammer...the others you mentioned, admittedly, were crappy names.  Crew's a damn good name though :cursing:

Agree to disagree. :D:peace:

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Dude, of course there's a big audience for soccer in the U.S. There's an entire soccer network on cable TV, with 24 hours of world soccer goodness, aside from the MLS contract.

That big audience will grow bigtime if the U.S. team ever gets to the finals of the World Cup.

Houston's sentiment is admirable, but misplaced. German teams name themselves after when the team or sports club was formed, not when the city was founded. Houston's name makes no sense.

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Houston 1836

The logo is set to be officially unveiled tomorrow.

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The small figure above the team name is a depiction of the Sam Houston statue in Houston's Hermann Park.

Feeling the colors, not feeling the name. However, it is better than that "Republic" rumored name.

Apollos or Hurricanes would have been better.

Hurricanes would remind people of the scumbag evacuees wreaking havoc on your fair city ...As a New Orleanian that lived and WORKED there for 7 weeks and was treated royally by the wonderful people of the Bayou City,I am embarrased by these idiots...Apollos would have been cools , with retro-style unies and 70's color schemes....1836 isnt bad , though..

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Dude, of course there's a big audience for soccer in the U.S. There's an entire soccer network on cable TV, with 24 hours of world soccer goodness, aside from the MLS contract.

Two actually.

Houston's sentiment is admirable, but misplaced.  German teams name themselves after when the team or sports club was formed, not when the city was founded.  Houston's name makes no sense.
I don't see why anyone would say this. Numbers in US sports names refer to historical events. Numbers in German (and Scandinavian club names) refer to club foundation.

This is a pretty fair balance between the two. It's both American and European style, and gives a pretty obvious nickname in the 36ers.

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don't make me get my sledgehammer...the others you mentioned, admittedly, were crappy names.  Crew's a damn good name though :cursing:

Agree to disagree. :D:peace:

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Whatever happened to that old badge, the one some biker apparently photographed one day? That one was interesting, if not ... um, terrible. This one looks a lot better, even though it's so tiny.

It was a well-crafted hoax.

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don't make me get my sledgehammer...the others you mentioned, admittedly, were crappy names. Crew's a damn good name though :cursing:

crew is a great name. it sounds european in the sense that it sounds like a nickname. if they were columbus afc, and referred to as "the crew", itd be even better. american teams dont really have nicknames. they are proper names or identities. thats whats so great about english clubs. the press, fans, and enemies decide what the nicknames are. thats truly a nickname. its just like george costanza wanting to be "T-Bone". you cant make up your own nickname. I love 1836, but hate the logo... they may be the 36ers, or the blues, reds or orange depending on their color choice. they may be called the bulldogs, wolves or whatever for their style of play. it all good

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