Neon_Matrix Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 This is looking more and more likely.A Toronto commercial real estate magnate who once tried to bring an NBA team to the city has surfaced as a potential bidder for the NHL's Pittsburgh Penguins, and plans to move the franchise to Kansas City if an agreement for a new hockey rink in Pittsburgh isn't completed.David Fingold and his son Sam have already reviewed the Penguins' financial books and are poised to make a bid to buy the struggling team, the Star has learned. The elder Fingold, who has spearheaded a tony real estate development called The Chedington on Bayview Ave., was part of a group alongside basketball hall of famer Wilt Chamberlain that mounted a failed attempt in 1988 to bring an expansion basketball team to Toronto.As the NHL moves into the playoff mode, after the first season following the league's season-long lockout, investment bankers who specialize in the pro sports business say that, strong attendance figures and TV ratings aside, at least a half-dozen franchises are up for sale.While the owners of teams such as the Atlanta Thrashers, Nashville Predators and Phoenix Coyotes would certainly entertain buyout offers, the Penguins may present the most compelling package for interested parties. The Penguins joined the NHL as an expansion franchise in 1967 and, thanks to the emergence of Mario Lemieux as a star player in the mid-1980s, won back-to-back Stanley Cup championships in 1990-91 and 1991-92. Even though the team struggled in subsequent seasons ? in October, 1998, the Penguins franchise declared bankruptcy for the second time ? the club has a promising future thanks to Sidney Crosby and other coveted young prospects."What we would get with the Penguins would be an affordable franchise and a portable one," Sam Fingold said in an interview. "We think this could be a great investment."Neither Fingold would say whether their family has other financial partners."We'd be doing this mostly with family money," Sam Fingold said.One sports investment banker said that prospective bidders like the Fingolds are vexed about what to offer for the Penguins, who are now owned by Lemieux. The former star player acquired the team because he was one of its biggest creditors when it filed for bankruptcy protection."If you're buying the team to keep it in Pittsburgh, you're probably looking at paying $120-$130 million (all figures U.S.)," the banker said. "But if you're buying them to move them to a different city, where you're definitely going to be in a better building with a better lease, maybe you're looking at closer to $150 million."The Penguins' future in Pittsburgh hinges on which company is awarded a slot-gaming licence by the state government.The Penguins have partnered with Isle of Capri Casinos Inc., one of the world's biggest operators of riverboat and dockside casinos that's one of the companies pursuing a licence. The Biloxi, Miss., gaming company wants to build a $250 million casino replete with 3,000 slot machines and has also pledged to pay $290 million toward a new arena for the Penguins, who currently play in the NHL's oldest rink, 45-year-old Mellon Arena.The Penguins can leave Pittsburgh in June, 2007, when their current lease expires.Isle of Capri has already secured financing for the arena and casino from Toronto's CIBC World Markets, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette has reported. But several other groups are also pursuing the slots licence and don't have pacts with the Penguins. The state Gaming Control Board is expected to issue the licence later this year or in early 2007.If one of the Isle of Capri's competitors wins the license, that may free up the team to move to a more attractive market such as Kansas City, Sam Fingold said.Fingold confirmed that he and his father would consider moving the club to Kansas City.Kansas City hasn't had an NHL team since the Scouts, an expansion franchise, moved to Denver in 1976 to become the Colorado Rockies.But Kansas City has recently completed construction on the new 18,500-seat Sprint Center, a $276 million arena that needs a tenant like an NHL team to pay down its debt.http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentSe...93064&t=TS_HomeIt would suck to see the Penguins move...but I mean they may be forced to. I'm sure after a few years and when the team improves its on ice product the people of Pittsburgh will want a team back. Because Korbyn Is Colour Blind, My Signature Is Now Idiot Proof - Thanks Again Braden!!Go Leafs Go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodAtFirstBite Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 That's too bad. The Steelers & Pirates get new digs but the Penguins get dumped on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezreiter3 Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 The only flaw in the plan of that article is that the Sprint Center has about a year and a half left before it is "just completed" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez Street Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 I feel bad for Pittsburgh hockey fans. But I want a team so I don't feel that bad.Man, IF KC got a team....what the hell am I gonna do with my Avalanche memorablilia? I can't like a potential rival.....or can I? @DavidStreeter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrdevil Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 The only flaw in the plan of that article is that the Sprint Center has about a year and a half left before it is "just completed" And the Penguins can't move untill after the 2007 season. If they do move after the 2007 season to KC they might play half a year or a full season in Kemper Arena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowBoutThemFins Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 There's no such thing as Penguins in Kansas City Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yh Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 My guess is that the team would follow its predecessors in relocation and select a new identity. I believe Calgary is the only NHL franchise to have made a significant move and retained its nickname. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC97 Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 My guess is that the team would follow its predecessors in relocation and select a new identity. I believe Calgary is the only NHL franchise to have made a significant move and retained its nickname. The Stars sorta... --- Chris Creamer Founder/Editor, SportsLogos.Net  "The Mothership" • News • Facebook • X/Twitter • Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eye Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 This is sad if the Penguins do in fact move. The Devils are my favorite team, but I've always liked the Penguins too. Mario Lemieux is my all time favorite player. Pittsburgh is an excellent sports town and it would suck for the Penguins to move. Hopefully they stay in Pittsburgh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred T. Jane Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 There's no such thing as Penguins in Kansas City Where are the Panthers in Miami? I think the Pens in KC may be a good thing to stay. With Crosby, Fleury, Malkin, and whoever they pick up in this year's draft, there will be talent to fill the seats. The Scouts were also relatively successful in the stands in their time, so I'd give them a chance. Perhaps we can resurrect the Scouts and get an updated logo? [Croatia National Team Manager Slavan] Bilic then went on to explain how Croatia's success can partially be put down to his progressive man-management techniques. "Sometimes I lie in the bed with my players. I go to the room of Vedran Corluka and Luka Modric when I see they have a problem and I lie in bed with them and we talk for 10 minutes." Maybe Capello could try getting through to his players this way too? Although how far he'd get with Joe Cole jumping up and down on the mattress and Rooney demanding to be read his favourite page from The Very Hungry Caterpillar is open to question. --The Guardian's Fiver, 08 September 2008 Attention: In order to obtain maximum enjoyment from your stay at the CCSLC, the reader is advised that the above post may contain large amounts of sarcasm, dry humour, or statements which should not be taken in any true sort of seriousness. As a result, the above poster absolves himself of any and all blame in the event that a forum user responds to the aforementioned post without taking the previous notice into account. Thank you for your cooperation, and enjoy your stay at the CCSLC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHoJoe Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 SAVE THE PITTSBURGH PENGUINS!!!!! BRING BASEBALL BACK TO MONTREAL!!!! MON AMOURS SIEMPRE!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAD! Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 There's no such thing as Penguins in Kansas City Where are the Panthers in Miami? Ummmm.... you might want to do some research. There IS such a thing as a Florida Panther.... http://www.npca.org/wildlife_protection/wi...ida_panther.asp I saw, I came, I left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred T. Jane Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 There's no such thing as Penguins in Kansas City Where are the Panthers in Miami? Ummmm.... you might want to do some research. There IS such a thing as a Florida Panther.... http://www.npca.org/wildlife_protection/wi...ida_panther.asp I know what a Florida Panther is...but are there any in Miami? Or in Sunrise to be specific... [Croatia National Team Manager Slavan] Bilic then went on to explain how Croatia's success can partially be put down to his progressive man-management techniques. "Sometimes I lie in the bed with my players. I go to the room of Vedran Corluka and Luka Modric when I see they have a problem and I lie in bed with them and we talk for 10 minutes." Maybe Capello could try getting through to his players this way too? Although how far he'd get with Joe Cole jumping up and down on the mattress and Rooney demanding to be read his favourite page from The Very Hungry Caterpillar is open to question. --The Guardian's Fiver, 08 September 2008 Attention: In order to obtain maximum enjoyment from your stay at the CCSLC, the reader is advised that the above post may contain large amounts of sarcasm, dry humour, or statements which should not be taken in any true sort of seriousness. As a result, the above poster absolves himself of any and all blame in the event that a forum user responds to the aforementioned post without taking the previous notice into account. Thank you for your cooperation, and enjoy your stay at the CCSLC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAD! Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 There's no such thing as Penguins in Kansas City Where are the Panthers in Miami? Ummmm.... you might want to do some research. There IS such a thing as a Florida Panther.... http://www.npca.org/wildlife_protection/wi...ida_panther.asp I know what a Florida Panther is...but are there any in Miami? Or in Sunrise to be specific... well they are primarily in Florida. Since the are an endangered species, I don't there are many in the wild.... maybe you should also ask where the Coyotes in Glendale are.... I saw, I came, I left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred T. Jane Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 well they are primarily in Florida. Since the are an endangered species, I don't there are many in the wild.... maybe you should also ask where the Coyotes in Glendale are.... Well... If you'd read your link... Population:Â Only 30 to 50 individuals survive today.As for the Coyotes, they're all over the place in North America...including Glendale, AZ, especially the golf courses... [Croatia National Team Manager Slavan] Bilic then went on to explain how Croatia's success can partially be put down to his progressive man-management techniques. "Sometimes I lie in the bed with my players. I go to the room of Vedran Corluka and Luka Modric when I see they have a problem and I lie in bed with them and we talk for 10 minutes." Maybe Capello could try getting through to his players this way too? Although how far he'd get with Joe Cole jumping up and down on the mattress and Rooney demanding to be read his favourite page from The Very Hungry Caterpillar is open to question. --The Guardian's Fiver, 08 September 2008 Attention: In order to obtain maximum enjoyment from your stay at the CCSLC, the reader is advised that the above post may contain large amounts of sarcasm, dry humour, or statements which should not be taken in any true sort of seriousness. As a result, the above poster absolves himself of any and all blame in the event that a forum user responds to the aforementioned post without taking the previous notice into account. Thank you for your cooperation, and enjoy your stay at the CCSLC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 Ladies and gentlemen here are your HARTFORD PENGUINS!(cue Brass Bonanza)I can't dream? On 4/10/2017 at 3:05 PM, Rollins Man said: what the hell is ccslc? Â Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlinfan Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 There's no such thing as Penguins in Kansas City Where are the Panthers in Miami? Ummmm.... you might want to do some research. There IS such a thing as a Florida Panther.... http://www.npca.org/wildlife_protection/wi...ida_panther.asp I know what a Florida Panther is...but are there any in Miami? Or in Sunrise to be specific... Actually Florida Panthers live in the Everglades and that is only about a mile from the Arena. 1997 | 2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 There's no such thing as Penguins in Kansas City There's no such thing as Penguins in Pittsburgh either. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 There's no such thing as Penguins in Kansas City Where are the Panthers in Miami? Ummmm.... you might want to do some research. There IS such a thing as a Florida Panther.... http://www.npca.org/wildlife_protection/wi...ida_panther.asp I know what a Florida Panther is...but are there any in Miami? Or in Sunrise to be specific... well they are primarily in Florida. Since the are an endangered species, I don't there are many in the wild.... maybe you should also ask where the Coyotes in Glendale are.... Coyotes are everywhere from Surprise to Gilbert and Tempe to Glendale you will find them everywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 i would hate to see the penguins move i think a team that has won a championship shouldnt move they have history and should stay there. Moving to Kansas City would suck, move a team to Portland or winnipeg cities that love hockey and want a team bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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