mfoster Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2615396President Charles Kupchella had a statement on UND's website earlier today, but it's since been removed. It was very brief, just a couple of sentences. The punch line was "The issue is now in the hands of the courts."Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMMF Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2615396President Charles Kupchella had a statement on UND's website earlier today, but it's since been removed. It was very brief, just a couple of sentences. The punch line was "The issue is now in the hands of the courts."MarcHere's a statement by the AG of North Dakotahttp://www.ag.state.nd.us/documents/10-06-06.pdf(acrobat warning)I have one question and flame me, if you must, if it's a stupid one. What's to stop the NCAA from just kicking out UND from it's association? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosioux76 Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2615396President Charles Kupchella had a statement on UND's website earlier today, but it's since been removed. It was very brief, just a couple of sentences. The punch line was "The issue is now in the hands of the courts."MarcHere's to hoping UND prevails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2615396President Charles Kupchella had a statement on UND's website earlier today, but it's since been removed. It was very brief, just a couple of sentences. The punch line was "The issue is now in the hands of the courts."MarcHere's a statement by the AG of North Dakotahttp://www.ag.state.nd.us/documents/10-06-06.pdf(acrobat warning)I have one question and flame me, if you must, if it's a stupid one. What's to stop the NCAA from just kicking out UND from it's association?Because other schools might react negatively to such an authortarian move?Here's hoping UND wins too, because Illinois, Bradley, and a couple of other schools might follow up with suits of their own if this works. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leedsunited Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 GO UND! Take down that fascist dictatorship that is the NCAA... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMMF Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2615396President Charles Kupchella had a statement on UND's website earlier today, but it's since been removed. It was very brief, just a couple of sentences. The punch line was "The issue is now in the hands of the courts."MarcHere's a statement by the AG of North Dakotahttp://www.ag.state.nd.us/documents/10-06-06.pdf(acrobat warning)I have one question and flame me, if you must, if it's a stupid one. What's to stop the NCAA from just kicking out UND from it's association?Because other schools might react negatively to such an authortarian move?Really? You think one school would make that big of a difference? A school that is only D1 for ice hockey? While I could see where there would be a lot of school presidents and AD's who might be upset, what options would they have if they did leave the NCAA in protest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocknjosie Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 Since no one's said it yet...I really hope the NCAA wins. Using American Indians as mascots is exploitive, no different than using a white owner using an African to market his chicken restaurant chain.And no I don't have a problem with the Fighting Irish because there are actually Irish people on that football team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doafhat Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 Since no one's said it yet...I really hope the NCAA wins. Using American Indians as mascots is exploitive, no different than using a white owner using an African to market his chicken restaurant chain.And no I don't have a problem with the Fighting Irish because there are actually Irish people on that football team.And what if there is anyone with Sioux ancestry on any of North Dakota's athletic teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mingjai Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 I hope "the Sue"--as they are known to Gopher hockey fans--win, especially on their antitrust claim. Stick it to the big man! Visit my store on REDBUBBLE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMac Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 Since no one's said it yet...I really hope the NCAA wins. Using American Indians as mascots is exploitive, no different than using a white owner using an African to market his chicken restaurant chain.And no I don't have a problem with the Fighting Irish because there are actually Irish people on that football team.since no one said it... thats the dubest logic ever... "because there are actually irish on the team"... oh come on... if they ban one for being racially sensitive you got to ban them all... dont get wrong i can understand with braves, savages, etc etc... but seminoles, Illini, and Sioux... give me a break all of those are actual names of tribes and have been given the ok by the native groups in their area... if the Native Americans make it an issue it should then be an issue not some white guy pushing their we need to be PC agenda... they want to be PC name a team the honkeys... there problem solved GDB... Brothers from other Mothers www.pifflespodcast.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakfu Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 This is the college where some rich neo-nazi donated money for their stadium on the condition that they keep the Fighting Sioux name, right?Lends and interesting, and I think appropriate, perspective to this particular issue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMMF Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 Since no one's said it yet...I really hope the NCAA wins. Using American Indians as mascots is exploitive, no different than using a white owner using an African to market his chicken restaurant chain.And no I don't have a problem with the Fighting Irish because there are actually Irish people on that football team.since no one said it... thats the dubest logic ever... "because there are actually irish on the team"... oh come on... if they ban one for being racially sensitive you got to ban them all... dont get wrong i can understand with braves, savages, etc etc... but seminoles, Illini, and Sioux... give me a break all of those are actual names of tribes and have been given the ok by the native groups in their area... if the Native Americans make it an issue it should then be an issue not some white guy pushing their we need to be PC agenda... they want to be PC name a team the honkeys... there problem solvedRather "dubest" logic as well. I, as a Native American, haven't given too much to one side or the other here. You can examine my past posts on the topic if you like. I will say that there's no way that naming a team the "honkeys" can undo the history that exists between caucasians and native americans in this country. If you want to boil it down that simplistically, you are more than welcome to. I, though, would be unable to take you seriously again in regards to this topic.Anyway, we've had this discussion a million times here. Is it possible to discuss UND's lawsuit, the merit of it, and the role of the NCAA without bringing up Notre Dame, or any other college not involved, or made up nicknames that would also be "appropriate" given the standards used? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2615396President Charles Kupchella had a statement on UND's website earlier today, but it's since been removed. It was very brief, just a couple of sentences. The punch line was "The issue is now in the hands of the courts."MarcHere's a statement by the AG of North Dakotahttp://www.ag.state.nd.us/documents/10-06-06.pdf(acrobat warning)I have one question and flame me, if you must, if it's a stupid one. What's to stop the NCAA from just kicking out UND from it's association?Because other schools might react negatively to such an authortarian move?Really? You think one school would make that big of a difference? A school that is only D1 for ice hockey? While I could see where there would be a lot of school presidents and AD's who might be upset, what options would they have if they did leave the NCAA in protest?The Big Boys have thought about pulling out before-mainly over football. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddball Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 I don't know if this has been asked before, and I hope I don't come across as ignorant, but the use of a nickname for a school could it be classified under Freedom of Speech even though it might make you sound ignorant? It crossed my mind. I just find it interesting that the NCAA has banned "Indian" nicknames, and yet the use of Seminoles, and Utes are being allowed because each tribe allows it. To me it sounds contradictory if that's a word, either ban them all or don't. I just personally HATE the NCAA because they seem to worry about things such as team nicknames and yet seem to have this stupid idea that it's okay to allow violent criminals to represent them on the field of play. Oh I forgot, the nicknames aren't putting green into their pocket, that's the real reason they "allowed" Florida State to keep their name. I guarentee you that FSU had to have payed the NCAA a "fee" to keep the nickname. I just find it interesting that we use terms like "fight", "warrior", or "brave" as being courageous and yet if you the use of a native american (is the term Eskimos banned?) as a logo, it's a no-no in the NCAA's eyes. I'm as white as can be, and always have looked at the Native Americans as being screwed over. I've always had a love for Native Americans and through college sports learned what a Huron, Chippewa, Ute, etc. was. I just don't see why the NCAA can't get together with each school and have them have classes about each tribe to teach about these wonderful people. I'm just really afraid that we are heading towards a mono-view society where everything is the same. Don't believe me, look at all the aggresive-childish minor league logos that are created now adays. My view on this might be different as a native american, but I'm not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakfu Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 I think the most accurate simile to American sports teams being using native american nicknames would be a German team called the fighting jews...pretty tasteless given history and the benefit of the doubt should be given to groups that are offended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coast2CoastAM2006 Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 lets look forward to the UND Wildcats Spoilers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAD! Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 lets look forward to the UND WildcatsGo! UNDerWear!!! I saw, I came, I left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EatSleepJeep Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 I was hoping for some language baiting on behalf of the University. Had the AD said something like "Just like the government soldiers once came into North Dakota and attempted to eliminate the Sioux nation; today the NCAA comes in and tries to destroy their history," we would would have had a good fight on our hands.And it is totally arbitrary. This mascot is in, this one is out, this one is offensive, this one is not.Englestad made it financially impossible to remove the logo and name from his rink(the best arena in all of sports, and I'm a Gopher fan) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearhead Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 Chakfu (see analogy vs simile) and Josie serve to remind me that Stalinist hyperbole is alive and well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakfu Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 Analogy vs simile? an analogy certainly seems like a form of a simile. x is to y as a is to b is an analogy; that's the same as a simile saying the relationship of x and y is like the relationship of a and b. and that's clearly a simile. the USA massacred Native Americans; Germany masacred Jews; fundamentally what is the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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