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I AM a homer. Make no mistake. But that doesn't mean I cannot view things objectively. I'm not an expert, so now, this claim can't be taken as 100%. But I'm pretty damn sure no dirt within a ball field can look like that no matter how much you mix sweat and rosin and rain with it. It just won't. And if it's other dirt, it is illegal.

How can you say "it just won't" if you can't claim 100% that it won't? That's not being objective at all. Objective is saying "sure, it is possible, even though I think contrary." You are just flat saying "he cheated" no questions asked, if spite of the lack of real genuine real evidence. It doesn't matter how many videos or photos there are. Nobody can genuinely conclusively say from looking at it that it is definately pine tar or that it isn't mud or dirt. The sooner you learn to accept the idea, the less biased you will appear.

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STL FANATIC, look, I know you are a homer, most of us are to an extent. But I just have to say this, please stop.

Yes, you're a homer, and like all of us, we want our team to win, and we get mad when they lose, but come on. Your argument is nothing but 100% homerism. There's nothing objective about it.

Rogers had the substance removed, and he pitched better then when it was on his hand. Yes, I know you're going to say "but some of it stayed on the whole game."

Little, if any, stayed on after he was told to whipe it off. The stuff that was left, IF it was a banned substance, would not have been enough to improve his pitching by that much. Also, IF it was a banned substance (and IMO it wasn't) the fact still remains that he pitched his best after removing, most, if not all of it, attesting to Rogers ability to win game 2.

Was it a banned substance? No, I don't think it was. After being told to remove it he got most, if not all, of it off very easily. It's very hard to get pine tar off.

I don't know what it was, it very well could have been dirt. Pitchers are superstitious like that. It may have been something else entirely, but it wasn't a banned substance.

I have a hard time believing the officials would have let this slide if they thought it was a banned substance, especially in a World Series game.

Cardnials fans-you lost this one, admit you got beat, and look forward to the next three games in StL.

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I've admitted that going on ten or fifteen times now Icecap. That's not the issue for me.

And how can my argument be dismissed as homerism when it's the exact same think JKR, a Yankees fan and guy rooting for the Tigers, is saying?

If you wanna fight against the argument, you're gonna just have to call us idiots, because you can't call JKR a homer.

Also, I've heard from many people who have used pine tar that it does not go away easily (which the pictures showed it didn't) and even just a little amount, like what Rogers had left on his hand, is most definatley enough to serve it's purpose.

I just wish Rogers would get what he deserves. I'm not making excuses for the ballgame.

We're minutes away from game three though, so one more time, let's go Cards!

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We's won't be call yous idiots, but we will say that all you folkses who wants the Rogers head not be being very objective upon this here situation. There be still a chance, not matters the smallness, he is being the 100% innocented. In spites of the photographic evidences of the funny stuff upon his handies, we can not conclusively say it not be the muddy stuff or the piney stuff.

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Very funny all of above! :lol:

thats the first ive seen of those signs, pretty funny. That said the Cards are up 2-1 and I like where we sit with Suppan throwing tomorrow.

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Very funny all of above! :lol:

thats the first ive seen of those signs, pretty funny. That said the Cards are up 2-1 and I like where we sit with Suppan throwing tomorrow.

Yeah, what happened to this Tigers sweep I was basically guarenteed by so many people? That one went out the window fast. So far this has been one helluva series and the Cards are showing why underestimation has been the theme of these playoffs.

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I don't know the story behind that guy, but he always has pretty clever signs. I swear he's on every broadcast about 5 or 6 times no matter if its home, away, or national broadcasts. He has box seats so he's pretty visable.

"walk your dog, not pujols" is another one I saw tonight.

I don't know if I should admire him or ridicule him for having such professional looking signs. My biggest concern is...what does he do for a living that allows him to make these signs on a moment's notice AND afford season tickets.

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Hah, a good friend sent this to me today on the prospect of the substance on Kenny Rogers hand being BBQ sauce from his lucky pre game Pulled Pork Sandywitch.

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On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said:
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i'll probably have to move to Hannah, Montana on witness protection to avoid the mob of angry Tigers fans that'll fly to new york to find me due to making a statement calling the Tigers the 06 world champions. :D

(note: the last sentence contains a subliminal reference can you find it?) B)

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I think it's pretty obvious Kenny had a foreign substance on his hand, but please let's not make too big a deal out of it. If the Tigers win the Seriers, they deserve it. No asterix. I imagine many, many pitchers have done this before, even in the postseason. It's a shame that he got away with it, but he did, and even after he wiped it off he pitched a brilliant game.

If it was benzoin resin, then it doesn't just "wash off." It leaves a faint residue, yellowish brown in color, but retains almost all its stickiness.

On ESPN Radio, Keith Obermann and Dan Patrick were talking about this at length. Harpists use it during concerts.

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I think it's pretty obvious Kenny had a foreign substance on his hand, but please let's not make too big a deal out of it. If the Tigers win the Seriers, they deserve it. No asterix. I imagine many, many pitchers have done this before, even in the postseason. It's a shame that he got away with it, but he did, and even after he wiped it off he pitched a brilliant game.

If it was benzoin resin, then it doesn't just "wash off." It leaves a faint residue, yellowish brown in color, but retains almost all its stickiness.

On ESPN Radio, Keith Obermann and Dan Patrick were talking about this at length. Harpists use it during concerts.

EXACTLY!!!

My uncle, a weightlifter who has used it before said that it might be that during the game, when he saw it, then he said that even though he washed his hand, it wouldn't matter...

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Now, it's time to show some beautiful baseball photos:

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I wouldn't exactly call those beautiful, but I would agree they're So So.

Great pun! My friend and I were firing Taco Bell puns back and forth given the free taco deal. Some of the best:

- Empanadier Molina...I don't know how to type a tilde

- (Guaca)Molina

- Chalupa So(preme) Taguchi

- Nacho Cheese Joel-upa Zumaya

Yeah, we have no lives.

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