TheOldRoman Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 Here's the thing....maybe dick Butkus did fine without rolling up his sleeves. But, it today's game, he'd be a practice squad player. That is one of the most ignorant, idiotic statements I have heard spewed on an internet message board, and that says something. A statement that dumb makes the rest of your post completely irrelevant. I stopped reading after that. You are normally a pretty rational poster, so I'm sure you are just talking out of your ass, but that really was a ridiculous statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powersurge Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 Here's the thing....maybe dick Butkus did fine without rolling up his sleeves. But, it today's game, he'd be a practice squad player. That is one of the most ignorant, idiotic statements I have heard spewed on an internet message board, and that says something. A statement that dumb makes the rest of your post completely irrelevant. I stopped reading after that. You are normally a pretty rational poster, so I'm sure you are just talking out of your ass, but that really was a ridiculous statement.I've heard similar statements said about Larry Bird. My response is usually "talent and intelligence (about the sport in question) will top athleticism any day". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
So_Fla Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 Hard to do since Randy White's dead, but point taken. When did Randy White die? Source? Link? I can't find any evidence of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wman Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 My wife even noticed Hovan's Aussie Rules jersey yesterday. It was that bad. Why is that not a fine??BRING BACK SLEEVES. Bring back the Whale! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilgump Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 So i was watching the game, and ranking on how bad hovans jersey was, and one of my friends, 18 years of age said "I wish we had jerseys like that, so no one could hold onto you." i was likeahhhhhhhhhhhhh no.Theres a point where maybe it goes to far, i think that point is Hovan, what is he going to do next? get Some skin tucks or something to tighten up his skin so they cant grab onto that? The World Basketball Championship, the Davis Cup, Ryder Cup, Iraq: Every day there's further proof that we, as a nation, are not very good at international competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcgd Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Here's the thing....maybe dick Butkus did fine without rolling up his sleeves. But, it today's game, he'd be a practice squad player. That is one of the most ignorant, idiotic statements I have heard spewed on an internet message board, and that says something. A statement that dumb makes the rest of your post completely irrelevant. I stopped reading after that. You are normally a pretty rational poster, so I'm sure you are just talking out of your ass, but that really was a ridiculous statement.His strength and speed, as well as the strength and speed of the players he played against back then would not compare to the strength and speed of today's players is what I'm saying. Of course I'm exaggerating and if Butkus was born when Urlacher/Lewis/Merriman was, he'd have the same weight lifting and nutritian advancements they did. And having that, he most likely would be better than them. But you take the his body and strength then, and put it into today's NFL, he would not be succesful as he was in his time playing against less skilled players. It takes nothing away from the all-time greats nor does it make today's players better than them. You have to consider the time and era when compareing players to each other.Its the same in any sport. I don't think its rediculous at all. Watch a game from the 60s and then watch a game from today and tell me that those players could compete. (Hell, watch a game from the 80s and tell me they could) If you realistically think Wilt Chamberlin could do what he did to Shaq, that's rediculous. If you think Babe Ruth would have 714 Home Runs in today's game, that's rediculous. Both of them are still all-time greats and compared with their era's, are better than today's elite players. I guess my point is Era's are different. In those days, it was fine to have long baggy sleeves. Players frequently had giant pads on their hands and forearms. Today you couldn't get away with that because the skills overall have increased so much. Big chunky helmets, pads, and yes, sleeves would only hurt you today.Don't take it as me saying those guys are/were terrible or anything, or that I don't appreciate History. I appreciate it much more than the average sports fan. But I'm realistic. The advances in sports training over the last 20 years have made more athletes elite than ever before. Basically, I didn't explain what I ment fully enough. The funny thing is after I heard that, the radio guys here in Chicago were comparing Butkus to Urlacher and were talking about the Bigger, Stronger, Faster thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swilson160 Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 His strength and speed, as well as the strength and speed of the players he played against back then would not compare to the strength and speed of today's players is what I'm saying. Of course I'm exaggerating and if Butkus was born when Urlacher/Lewis/Merriman was, he'd have the same weight lifting and nutritian advancements they did. And having that, he most likely would be better than them. But you take the his body and strength then, and put it into today's NFL, he would not be succesful as he was in his time playing against less skilled players. It takes nothing away from the all-time greats nor does it make today's players better than them. You have to consider the time and era when compareing players to each other.Its the same in any sport. I don't think its rediculous at all. Watch a game from the 60s and then watch a game from today and tell me that those players could compete. (Hell, watch a game from the 80s and tell me they could) If you realistically think Wilt Chamberlin could do what he did to Shaq, that's rediculous. If you think Babe Ruth would have 714 Home Runs in today's game, that's rediculous. Both of them are still all-time greats and compared with their era's, are better than today's elite players. I guess my point is Era's are different. In those days, it was fine to have long baggy sleeves. Players frequently had giant pads on their hands and forearms. Today you couldn't get away with that because the skills overall have increased so much. Big chunky helmets, pads, and yes, sleeves would only hurt you today.Don't take it as me saying those guys are/were terrible or anything, or that I don't appreciate History. I appreciate it much more than the average sports fan. But I'm realistic. The advances in sports training over the last 20 years have made more athletes elite than ever before. Basically, I didn't explain what I ment fully enough. The funny thing is after I heard that, the radio guys here in Chicago were comparing Butkus to Urlacher and were talking about the Bigger, Stronger, Faster thing.What's "rediculous" is your spelling, grammar and punctuation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aragin66 Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 I always thought that a players shoulder pads could not protrude from under their jersey. I say this because back in the 80's many TV commentators raised questions about Harry Carson's and Carl Banks' upper arm protectors.Randy White isn't dead...I just looked that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAD! Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 His strength and speed, as well as the strength and speed of the players he played against back then would not compare to the strength and speed of today's players is what I'm saying. Of course I'm exaggerating and if Butkus was born when Urlacher/Lewis/Merriman was, he'd have the same weight lifting and nutritian advancements they did. And having that, he most likely would be better than them. But you take the his body and strength then, and put it into today's NFL, he would not be succesful as he was in his time playing against less skilled players. It takes nothing away from the all-time greats nor does it make today's players better than them. You have to consider the time and era when compareing players to each other.Its the same in any sport. I don't think its rediculous at all. Watch a game from the 60s and then watch a game from today and tell me that those players could compete. (Hell, watch a game from the 80s and tell me they could) If you realistically think Wilt Chamberlin could do what he did to Shaq, that's rediculous. If you think Babe Ruth would have 714 Home Runs in today's game, that's rediculous. Both of them are still all-time greats and compared with their era's, are better than today's elite players. I guess my point is Era's are different. In those days, it was fine to have long baggy sleeves. Players frequently had giant pads on their hands and forearms. Today you couldn't get away with that because the skills overall have increased so much. Big chunky helmets, pads, and yes, sleeves would only hurt you today.Don't take it as me saying those guys are/were terrible or anything, or that I don't appreciate History. I appreciate it much more than the average sports fan. But I'm realistic. The advances in sports training over the last 20 years have made more athletes elite than ever before. Basically, I didn't explain what I ment fully enough. The funny thing is after I heard that, the radio guys here in Chicago were comparing Butkus to Urlacher and were talking about the Bigger, Stronger, Faster thing.It's a message board, not English class. What's "rediculous" is your spelling, grammar and punctuation. I saw, I came, I left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swilson160 Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 His strength and speed, as well as the strength and speed of the players he played against back then would not compare to the strength and speed of today's players is what I'm saying. Of course I'm exaggerating and if Butkus was born when Urlacher/Lewis/Merriman was, he'd have the same weight lifting and nutritian advancements they did. And having that, he most likely would be better than them. But you take the his body and strength then, and put it into today's NFL, he would not be succesful as he was in his time playing against less skilled players. It takes nothing away from the all-time greats nor does it make today's players better than them. You have to consider the time and era when compareing players to each other.Its the same in any sport. I don't think its rediculous at all. Watch a game from the 60s and then watch a game from today and tell me that those players could compete. (Hell, watch a game from the 80s and tell me they could) If you realistically think Wilt Chamberlin could do what he did to Shaq, that's rediculous. If you think Babe Ruth would have 714 Home Runs in today's game, that's rediculous. Both of them are still all-time greats and compared with their era's, are better than today's elite players. I guess my point is Era's are different. In those days, it was fine to have long baggy sleeves. Players frequently had giant pads on their hands and forearms. Today you couldn't get away with that because the skills overall have increased so much. Big chunky helmets, pads, and yes, sleeves would only hurt you today.Don't take it as me saying those guys are/were terrible or anything, or that I don't appreciate History. I appreciate it much more than the average sports fan. But I'm realistic. The advances in sports training over the last 20 years have made more athletes elite than ever before. Basically, I didn't explain what I ment fully enough. The funny thing is after I heard that, the radio guys here in Chicago were comparing Butkus to Urlacher and were talking about the Bigger, Stronger, Faster thing.What's "rediculous" is your spelling, grammar and punctuation.It's a message board, not English class. It is? Wow, I was confused. Does this mean I just gave my English teacher a three-page paper on the ball-in-glove logo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJMorris3 Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 What hasn't been mentioned here is that both of these pictures, specifically, show illegal wearing of the jersey. Rule 5-3-3(e) says "Shoulder pads must be completely covered by the uniform jersey." He should be advised to tuck himself in at the next change of possession, and should he not, he can be barred from entering play again. (Interestingly enough, this argument could also be made about socks -- players wearing improper socks can technically be barred from entering the game.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
js ° Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 I always thought that a players shoulder pads could not protrude from under their jersey. I say this because back in the 80's many TV commentators raised questions about Harry Carson's and Carl Banks' upper arm protectors.Randy White isn't dead...I just looked that up.The only thing I can think of ... is maybe someone was thinking of Reggie White. And about this whole sleeve issue .. i agree that Hovan is ridiculous, but I actually think the evolution of the jersey to lose the sleeves, and instead offer this look of a tight jersey tucking up under the pads is just that ... an evolution. It streamlines the look, makes the players feel faster and more untouchable which then translates into better play for us all to see. But cutting jerseys and having your chest and shoulderpads exposed is just plain silly looking and pointless. plus .. nobody wants to see armpits getting that much tv time ... just not good. ◬☰ ⏣ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mings Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 If your only comment is about spelling or grammar in an otherwise intelligent discussion, then maybe you should keep it to yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Falcon Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Ask these two guys if extra material hurt them or their careers.Randy White:Hard to do since Randy White's dead, but point taken. Reggie White is dead, not Randy White.Randy White Not Quite Dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 Agreed. That's so clearly a uniform violation. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCap Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 I understand the "evolution of the uniform" argument (even if I don't necessarily agree with it in terms of tighter sleeves). Still, there's a difference between having short, tight sleeves and have no sleeves with your arm pits (and in some cases part of your chest), as well as your shoulder pads showing. So yeah, while tighter sleeves may just be one more step in the evolution of football uniforms, Chris Hovan's sleeves are just ridiculous. PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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