IceCap Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 Ok, I was thinking that now it would be kind of cool if the three AFC teams from the NFL during the NFL/AFL war joined the NFC, so each conference would contain the classic teams of the respective leagues from before the merger. The Colts, Steelers, and Browns would leave the AFC and join the NFC. In return the NFC would give up the Buccaneers and Seahawks (two NFC teams with AFC histories that came into being after the merger) as well as the Panthers (a NFC team that has no historical ties to the old NFL). The idea came to me during the lead-up to Super Bowl XLI. I was thinking that it was a shame that a game that was originally meant to feature the AFL champions and the NFL champions was being played by two classic NFL teams. If the Steelers, Colts, and Browns moved to the NFC that wouldn't happen. So here's what the NFL would look like. What does anyone else think?AFCNorth Baltimore RavensBuffalo BillsCincinnati BengalsKansas City Chiefs South Houston TexansJacksonville JaguarsTampa Bay Buccaneers Tennessee TitansEast Carolina PanthersMiami DolphinsNew England PatriotsNew York JetsWest Denver Broncos Oakland RaidersSan Diego ChargersSeattle SeahawksNFCNorth Chicago BearsCleveland BrownsGreen Bay PackersMinnesota VikingsSouth Atlanta FalconsDallas CowboysNew Orleans SaintsWashington RedskinsEast Detroit LionsNew York GiantsPhiladelphia EaglesPittsburgh SteelersWest Arizona CardinalsIndianapolis ColtsSt. Louis RamsSan Francisco 49ers PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgesL Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 I don't see how Indianapolis can be in the West. Anyhow, here's MY idea of NFL re-alignment. Here, we're going back to the future, to how it was during the 50's and 60's, no AFC and NFC, it's East vs. West!EASTERN CONFERENCENortheast DivisionBuffalo BillsMiami DolphinsNew England PatriotsNew York JetsAtlantic DivisionBaltimore RavensNew York GiantsPhiladelphia EaglesWashington RedskinsSoutheast DivisionAtlanta FalconsCarolina PanthersJacksonville JaguarsTampa Bay BuccaneersCentral DivisionCincinnati BengalsCleveland BrownsIndianapolis ColtsPittsburgh SteelersWESTERN CONFERENCEMidwest DivisionChicago BearsDetroit LionsGreen Bay PackersMinnesota Vikings (or St. Louis Rams)Southwest DivisionDallas CowboysHouston TexansNew Orleans SaintsTennessee TitansNorthwest DivisionDenver BroncosKansas City ChiefsSt. Louis Rams (or Minnesota Vikings)Seattle SeahawksPacific DivisionArizona CardinalsOakland RaidersSan Diego ChargersSan Francisco 49ersNote: The key element is to try to keep the old regular rivalries intact as much as possible. The reason I didn't put the Dolphins in the Southeast is because I wanted to keep the rivalries with the Bills, Pats and Jets intact. New Orleans and Tennessee have the potential to shift to the Eastern Conference, should a team from the East move to Los Angeles. Then Arizona could go to the Southwest Division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcoyotes Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 The Steelers are a HUGE part of the AFC.You can't put them in the NFC. It's Just Crazy!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCap Posted February 17, 2007 Author Share Posted February 17, 2007 I don't see how Indianapolis can be in the West. Basically I couldn't figure out where to put them, so I stuck them in the west to give the Rams a divisional opponent that was somewhat in their vicinity.The Steelers are a HUGE part of the AFC.You can't put them in the NFC. It's Just Crazy!!!How are they "a HUGE part of the AFC"? Do the Steelers comprise of two teams? No, they don't. They're just one team. A team that was a classic NFL team to begin with. Classic NFL teams in the AFC, a conference that's suppose to embody the old AFL prior to the merger, just seems wrong. The NFC is just the opposite, it embodies the classic NFL prior to the merger. What's so crazy about the Steelers, a classic NFL team, being placed in the conference that's suppose to embody the classic NFL? PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 I think allignment is pretty much as perfect as it can be.... only problem is how Indy is in the south. Proud owner of the Utah Pioneers of the Continnental Baseball League.PACKER BACKER FOREVER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BBTV Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 Is there a trophy for image of the day? If so, hot dog - we have a weiner. It should be the new banner for the Sports in General forum. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kewp80 Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 I think allignment is pretty much as perfect as it can be.... only problem is how Indy is in the south.Bigger problem: Rams in the west, they have to travel half the nation for away divisional games.The other problem is that there is nowhere to put them, them and the Cheifs are stuck here with me in the middle of the country. Plus they have a rivalry with San Fran from the LA days, and have a rivalry with the Cardinals because they used to be in STL, and have a growing rivalry with Seattle. I just say leave everything as it is. Cardinals -- Rams -- Blues -- Tigers -- Liverpool Check out my music! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi74 Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 I don't see how Indianapolis can be in the West. Basically I couldn't figure out where to put them, so I stuck them in the west to give the Rams a divisional opponent that was somewhat in their vicinity.The Steelers are a HUGE part of the AFC.You can't put them in the NFC. It's Just Crazy!!!How are they "a HUGE part of the AFC"? Do the Steelers comprise of two teams? No, they don't. They're just one team. A team that was a classic NFL team to begin with. Classic NFL teams in the AFC, a conference that's suppose to embody the old AFL prior to the merger, just seems wrong. The NFC is just the opposite, it embodies the classic NFL prior to the merger. What's so crazy about the Steelers, a classic NFL team, being placed in the conference that's suppose to embody the classic NFL?I don't think the Steelers, Browns and Colts would want to switch conferences at this point and in 99% of the fans eyes the NFL-AFL thing is ancient history. Also the Steelers, Browns and Colts got over the move to the AFC pretty quick due to the money the NFL gave them to switch along with being placed into divisions they wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telemundo219 Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 This whole "keep teams together in the same division because of history" crap is lame. The Browns-Steelers meant something about over 10 years ago. Scheduling can keep rivalries intact. College sports as we know them are just about dead. The lid is off on all the corruption that taints just about every major program and every decision that the schools or the NCAA make is only about money, money, and more money. We'll have three 16+ team super-conferences sooner rather than later, killing much of the regional flair and traditional rivalries that make college sports unique and showing the door to any school that doesn't bring money to the table in the process. Pretty soon the smaller schools are going to have to consider forming their own sanctioning body to keep the true spirit of college sports alive because the NCAA will only get worse in it's excess from here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooleyvol Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 The Colts, Steelers, and Browns would leave the AFC and join the NFC. In return the NFC would give up the Buccaneers and Seahawks (two NFC teams with AFC histories that came into being after the merger)What AFC history do the Bucs have? They were in the NFC Central with the Lions, Bears, Vikings, and Packers prior the last realignment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 The Colts, Steelers, and Browns would leave the AFC and join the NFC. In return the NFC would give up the Buccaneers and Seahawks (two NFC teams with AFC histories that came into being after the merger)What AFC history do the Bucs have? They were in the NFC Central with the Lions, Bears, Vikings, and Packers prior the last realignment.They were an AFC team their inaugural year. (Seattle was in the NFC that year, which means they have been rejected once by BOTH conferences. Nobody wants them. )This whole "keep teams together in the same division because of history" crap is lame. The Browns-Steelers meant about over 10 years ago. Scheduling can keep rivalries intact.Here's the thing(s).1) Given the emphasis the NFL places on winning the division, rivalries lose importance once you leave the division.2) There are too few games to begin with in the NFL. The schedule metric is the best possible they have right now IMO, but that means that the only teams you are guaranteed to play every year are in your division.3) I don't like learning to hate new teams; I like the hatred that gets built up over years of division play. (Browns fans still hate Pittsburgh, man, I don't know where you've been).4) Its the NFL!!! They can afford to fly to different places even if they are farther away. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telemundo219 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 AFC (Western)MidwestDenver BroncosKansas City ChiefsMinnesota VikingsSt.Louis RamsSouthwestArizona CardinalsDallas CowboysHouston TexansNew Orleans SaintsCentralChicago BearsDetroit LionsGreen Bay PackersIndianapolis ColtsPacificOakland RaidersSan Diego ChargersSan Francisco 49ersSeattle SeahawksNFC (Eastern)MideastNew York GiantsNew York JetsPhiladelphia EaglesPittsburgh SteelersSoutheastAtlanta FalconsJacksonville JaguarsMiami DolphinsTampa Bay BuccaneersNortheastBuffalo BillsCleveland BrownsCincinnati BengalsNew England PatriotsAtlanticBaltimore RavensCarolina PanthersTennessee TitansWashington Redskins These are my alignment ideas. Most rivalries are still kept I hope yall are happy with them. College sports as we know them are just about dead. The lid is off on all the corruption that taints just about every major program and every decision that the schools or the NCAA make is only about money, money, and more money. We'll have three 16+ team super-conferences sooner rather than later, killing much of the regional flair and traditional rivalries that make college sports unique and showing the door to any school that doesn't bring money to the table in the process. Pretty soon the smaller schools are going to have to consider forming their own sanctioning body to keep the true spirit of college sports alive because the NCAA will only get worse in it's excess from here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinMcD Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 AFC (Western)MidwestDenver BroncosKansas City ChiefsMinnesota VikingsSt.Louis RamsSouthwestArizona CardinalsDallas CowboysHouston TexansNew Orleans SaintsCentralChicago BearsDetroit LionsGreen Bay PackersIndianapolis ColtsPacificOakland RaidersSan Diego ChargersSan Francisco 49ersSeattle SeahawksNFC (Eastern)MideastNew York GiantsNew York JetsPhiladelphia EaglesPittsburgh SteelersSoutheastAtlanta FalconsJacksonville JaguarsMiami DolphinsTampa Bay BuccaneersNortheastBuffalo BillsCleveland BrownsCincinnati BengalsNew England PatriotsAtlanticBaltimore RavensCarolina PanthersTennessee TitansWashington Redskins These are my alignment ideas. Most rivalries are still kept I hope yall are happy with them.Most rivalries are kept, Please.....Buffalo-MiamiCleveland-PittsburghNYJ-New EnglandGB-MinnesotaNYG-DallasNYG-WashingtonPHI-DallasPHI-WASKC-OaklandATL-NOThe NFL Divisions are perfect as is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telemundo219 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 AFC (Western)MidwestDenver BroncosKansas City ChiefsMinnesota VikingsSt.Louis RamsSouthwestArizona CardinalsDallas CowboysHouston TexansNew Orleans SaintsCentralChicago BearsDetroit LionsGreen Bay PackersIndianapolis ColtsPacificOakland RaidersSan Diego ChargersSan Francisco 49ersSeattle SeahawksNFC (Eastern)MideastNew York GiantsNew York JetsPhiladelphia EaglesPittsburgh SteelersSoutheastAtlanta FalconsJacksonville JaguarsMiami DolphinsTampa Bay BuccaneersNortheastBuffalo BillsCleveland BrownsCincinnati BengalsNew England PatriotsAtlanticBaltimore RavensCarolina PanthersTennessee TitansWashington Redskins These are my alignment ideas. Most rivalries are still kept I hope yall are happy with them.Most rivalries are kept, Please.....Buffalo-MiamiCleveland-PittsburghNYJ-New EnglandGB-MinnesotaNYG-DallasNYG-WashingtonPHI-DallasPHI-WASKC-OaklandATL-NOThe NFL Divisions are perfect as is.CLE-CINPHI-NYGDET-GBDET-CHIGB-CHIOAK-SDDEN-KCTB-ATLNE-BUFSEA-SFPlus old rivalries:ARI-DALTEN-BALSD-SEASEA-OAKPlus: Added in state rivalries (PHI-PIT, NYG-NYJ, WAS-BAL, MIA-JAX, SF-OAK, SD-SF, STL-KC, DAL-HOU),makes far more rivalries then you have mentioned. College sports as we know them are just about dead. The lid is off on all the corruption that taints just about every major program and every decision that the schools or the NCAA make is only about money, money, and more money. We'll have three 16+ team super-conferences sooner rather than later, killing much of the regional flair and traditional rivalries that make college sports unique and showing the door to any school that doesn't bring money to the table in the process. Pretty soon the smaller schools are going to have to consider forming their own sanctioning body to keep the true spirit of college sports alive because the NCAA will only get worse in it's excess from here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 I don't like learning to hate new teams; I like the hatred that gets built up over years of division play.AFC (Western)MidwestDenver BroncosKansas City ChiefsMinnesota VikingsSt.Louis Rams*smack* I await your explanation of the Rams' rivalry with Minnesota and Denver. (They might have one with KC based on Geograpy and the trophy that goes with it, but that's it).I prefer hating San Fran and Seattle and laughing at/hating Arizona. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred T. Jane Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Is there a trophy for image of the day? If so, hot dog - we have a weiner. It should be the new banner for the Sports in General forum.The closest I got... [Croatia National Team Manager Slavan] Bilic then went on to explain how Croatia's success can partially be put down to his progressive man-management techniques. "Sometimes I lie in the bed with my players. I go to the room of Vedran Corluka and Luka Modric when I see they have a problem and I lie in bed with them and we talk for 10 minutes." Maybe Capello could try getting through to his players this way too? Although how far he'd get with Joe Cole jumping up and down on the mattress and Rooney demanding to be read his favourite page from The Very Hungry Caterpillar is open to question. --The Guardian's Fiver, 08 September 2008 Attention: In order to obtain maximum enjoyment from your stay at the CCSLC, the reader is advised that the above post may contain large amounts of sarcasm, dry humour, or statements which should not be taken in any true sort of seriousness. As a result, the above poster absolves himself of any and all blame in the event that a forum user responds to the aforementioned post without taking the previous notice into account. Thank you for your cooperation, and enjoy your stay at the CCSLC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griffelh Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 The AFL existed for 10 years. The merger happened 37 years ago. Get over it. Pittsburgh has been in the AFC for almost as long as they were in the old NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mts773 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Readin this thread got me thinking about how the divisions were setup for the 1970 merger. I think the following would have been the optimal arrangement given three divisions in each confrence, and which teams were slated to be in which confrence: AFCEastMiami Dolphins New York JetsBuffalo Bills New England Patriots CentralPittsburgh SteelersBaltimore ColtsCleveland Browns Cincinnati Bengals WestKansas City Chiefs Oakland Raiders Denver Broncos Houston Oilers San Diego Chargers NFCEastNew York GiantsWashington RedskinsPhiladelphia EaglesAtlanta FalconsCentralChicago BearsGreen Bay PackersDetroit LionsMinnesota VikingsSt. Louis Cardinals WestDallas CowboysSan Fransico 49ersNew Orleans Saints Los Angeles Rams (for expansion in 1976 add Seattle Seahawks to the NFC West, and Tampa Bay Buccaneers to the AFC East) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telemundo219 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Readin this thread got me thinking about how the divisions were setup for the 1970 merger. I think the following would have been the optimal arrangement given three divisions in each confrence, and which teams were slated to be in which confrence: AFCEastMiami Dolphins New York JetsBuffalo Bills New England Patriots CentralPittsburgh SteelersBaltimore ColtsCleveland Browns Cincinnati Bengals WestKansas City Chiefs Oakland Raiders Denver Broncos Houston Oilers San Diego Chargers NFCEastNew York GiantsWashington RedskinsPhiladelphia EaglesAtlanta FalconsCentralChicago BearsGreen Bay PackersDetroit LionsMinnesota VikingsSt. Louis Cardinals WestDallas CowboysSan Fransico 49ersNew Orleans Saints Los Angeles Rams (for expansion in 1976 add Seattle Seahawks to the NFC West, and Tampa Bay Buccaneers to the AFC East)Would've made a lot of sense. College sports as we know them are just about dead. The lid is off on all the corruption that taints just about every major program and every decision that the schools or the NCAA make is only about money, money, and more money. We'll have three 16+ team super-conferences sooner rather than later, killing much of the regional flair and traditional rivalries that make college sports unique and showing the door to any school that doesn't bring money to the table in the process. Pretty soon the smaller schools are going to have to consider forming their own sanctioning body to keep the true spirit of college sports alive because the NCAA will only get worse in it's excess from here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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