Josh Hancock dies in auto accident

[STL FANATIC]

For all of you seeking to be some sort of martyr by labelling yourself a heartless ya know, well, you missed it.

IceCap said PCGD's pal who made the dumb decision to drink and drive, Josh Hancock who made that dumb decision, any single one of your friends or family who might have once made that dumb decision, or anybody else who's made that dumb decision to drink and drive, deserves to be dead right now.

Not a single one of you made anything near that statement while trying to take pride in being labeled that term. Perhaps you feel that way anyways, and perhaps now you'll come forward again because you want that label so dearly, but nobody who's tried to claim it at this point said near the same thoughts that IceCap had.

Disagreeing with the lawsuit doesn't make you heartless, it makes you INTELLIGENT. This lawsuit is a piece of crap. Legally there's a small claim against the bar, and it might be found that a tow truck should have flares out, but either way, he's not likely to win and the lawsuit is still just crap. Josh Hancock made the stupid decision, and while his death wasn't a deserved consequence, it was nobodies fault but his own, and I'm quite sure he'd agree.

On an unrelated note, please don't call Burwell one of the best sportswriters. He hits the nail on the head (and when he does that, he does it very well), about one out of every 10 articles. The rest tend to be crap just spewed about. He likes to jump onboard with the opinions that have the reputation of being unpopular even though they're far from it, and he usually takes it too far. (But come to think of it, that describes the tone of a lot of the posts in this thread.)

[IceCap]

For all of you seeking to be some sort of martyr by labelling yourself a heartless ya know, well, you missed it.

IceCap said PCGD's pal who made a dumb decision, Josh Hancock who made a dumb decision, any single one of your friends or family who might have once made the dumb decision, or anybody else who's made the dumb decision, deserves to be dead right now.

Not a single one of you made anything near that statement while trying to take pride in being labeled that term. Perhaps you feel that way anyways, and perhaps now you'll come forward again because you want that label so dearly, but nobody who's tried to claim it at this point said near the same thoughts that IceCap had.

So once you're exposed as an unbalanced individual who'll defend a St. Louis athlete, even if he kills someone (Leonard Little) you attempt to take all the focus off of yourself by calling me someone who wants to see everyone dead? Very classy. Mod material indeed.

Did I say anyone who's ever made a mistake deserves to die? No, I never said that. I said a drunk driver who's killed because of his/her own idiocy deserves what they got.

It's about personal responsibility and getting what you deserve. When I was in grade 10 I cheated on a physics test. That was a stupid thing to do. Going by what you claimed I said I believe I should have died for the that mistake. That's just stupid, and it either highlights your lack of understanding of the point I was making or it shows what a despicable person you are by trying to paint me in that light when you know full well what I was saying.

What happed when I cheated on that test? I was suspended and received a zero on the test. In other words I got what I deserved.

Josh Hancock not only drove while intoxicated, he drove while talking on a cell phone and didn't wear a seat belt. On top of that all the evidence points to driving while intoxicated was a serious problem for Josh Hancock, one he never bothered to get a handle on. He got what was coming to him, as has every other drunk driver who's died by his own hand.

It's one of the dumbest and deadliest things you can do, but if you still do it you reap what you sow.

As for PCGD's friend, what makes him so special? He got behind the wheel of a car while intoxicated, and died as a result of that. Just like Josh Hancock, he got what he deserved. I'm sorry PCGD lost someone he was close with, that's a sad situation regardless of the circumstances. At the same time though, his friend did it to himself. He got what he deserved.

Do I think everyone who's done something stupid should die? No, and again you've either missed my point completely or your a despicable person for accusing me of that when you know better.

I believe that when we make a mistake we get what's coming to us.

For drunk drivers that means death. Do I wish they were dead? No, but if they do something that stupid then it's their own fault if they do die. The only thing we can wish for is that they don't take innocent people down with them.

Again, bravo. Real stand-up behaviour as a mod.

[STL FANATIC]

All I'm guilty of in that regard is using a poor choice of article. I never meant to imply you meant anything other than driving drunk, and I really am sorry that it read that way (and re-reading it, you're right, it does), I'll change it.

I do mean what I say with it noted that I mean the mistake of drunk driving. Just because Josh Hancock and anyother drunk driver's death is nobody's fault but their own, does not mean they deserved death. And yes, it's heartless to say that's that it does.

And while I understand being upset the way it originally read, if you still feel this is somehow poor mod behavior, than I don't think you understand what our roles as mods are.

[STL FANATIC]

Nevermind. You'll just pretend I'm a liar some more. If you don't believe me, that's not my problem.

[IceCap]

All I'm guilty of in that regard is using a poor choice of article. I never meant to imply you meant anything other than driving drunk, and I really am sorry that it read that way (and re-reading it, you're right, it does), I'll change it.

Thank you.

I do mean what I say with it noted that I mean the mistake of drunk driving. Just because Josh Hancock and anyother drunk driver's death is nobody's fault but their own, does not mean they deserved death. And yes, it's heartless to say that's that it does.

Hey, if that's the way you feel, that's the way you feel. I'm not going to change your mind. Just understand that calling me heartless isn't going to change my mind. I don't think I'm heartless, I think I'm the exact opposite.

I just believe in people getting what they deserve, be it a detention in high school for pulling a stupid prank, a zero on a test for cheating, or otherwise.

In the case of drunk driving, we all know the risks. We all know that if we do it there's a very good chance that we'll die. Yet people still do it, when they know the risks not only to themselves but to others on the road as well.

When people continue to drive while intoxicated when they know the risks involved then whatever happens to them rests squarely on their shoulders, including death. The best thing anyone can hope for is that they don't take any innocent lives with them.

And while I understand being upset the way it originally read, if you still feel this is somehow poor mod behavior, than I don't think you understand what our roles as mods are.

I understand what your jobs as mods are.

At the same time, however, as mods you should be held to some kind of standard. Accusing someone of wanting everyone who's ever done a stupid thing dead because you happen to be on the unpopular side of an argument smacks of petty behaviour to say the least. That is, IMO, below the standards mods should hold themselves to.

After explaining that you poorly worded your post, I take back my comments questioning your mod status. At the same time, however, if you really did mean what I thought your post intended, then I would stand by those comments questioning you status as a mod.

Yet that isn't the case, so I'll apologize for that one.

[STL FANATIC]

Okay fair enough.

I don't have the slightest bit of a problem with you. We've got a hefty disagreement on a very hefty subject, but that's that. (Even my comments of heartless apply only to this subject, and not a bit beyond.)

[CZzyzx41]

I think it's sad that Hancock's family is following their legal advisors. I think those lawyers are the worst scum on earth. The family of a drunk driver suing the people he hit?! WTF? So if I get plastered, hop into a car without wearing a seatbelt, speed, talk on the phone while driving and slam into a family of four, my family can then turn around and sue the victims? Everyone has said they're mad at this but is no one completely OUTRAGED? Suing the victims of a drunk driving accident? WTF?!

[Hat Boy]

The family of a drunk driver suing the people he hit?! WTF?

I believe the theory is, if this guy took better care of his car and didn't break down, Hancock wouldn't have hit him. I am not sure what kind of legal ground this has, but the lawyer is getting paid, which is all he really cares about.

[zer0dotcom]

The family of a drunk driver suing the people he hit?! WTF?

I believe the theory is, if this guy took better care of his car and didn't break down, Hancock wouldn't have hit him. I am not sure what kind of legal ground this has, but the lawyer is getting paid, which is all he really cares about.

Stupid people aren't capable of taking care of themselves. Therefore, the rest of society must take responcibility for them, since they cannot.

[fiasco!]

Very easily summed up here:

Instant karmas gonna get you

Gonna knock you right on the head

You better get yourself together

Pretty soon youre gonna be dead

What in the world you thinking of

Laughing in the face of love

What on earth you tryin to do

Its up to you, yeah you

Don't drink, smoke weed, text message, and drive.

[NJTank]

and buckle up

[fiasco!]

Give a Hoot, Don't Pollute.TM

[OB33]

Don't drink, smoke weed, text message, and drive.

Or in Eddie Griffin's case: Don't drink, watch porn, masturbate, and drive.

[Fred T. Jane]

Give a Hoot, Don't Pollute.TM

Whoa, you've heard of Hoot Systems?

[whitedawg22]

Don't drink, smoke weed, text message, and drive.

Or in Eddie Griffin's case: Don't drink, watch porn, masturbate, and drive.

Could he sue the driver of that police car he hit for being in the path of the SpankWagon?

[slapshot]

Give a Hoot, Don't Pollute.TM

Give a Hoot. Read a Book.?

[Gothamite]

In the case of drunk driving, we all know the risks. We all know that if we do it there's a very good chance that we'll die. Yet people still do it, when they know the risks not only to themselves but to others on the road as well.

When people continue to drive while intoxicated when they know the risks involved then whatever happens to them rests squarely on their shoulders, including death. The best thing anyone can hope for is that they don't take any innocent lives with them.

I agree.

I don't wish anybody dead, but Hancock did get what he deserved. He knew the risks, he made the choices and yes, he got what was coming to him.

Is it sad that he died? Yes, only because it is sad when any human being dies. But this guy isn't worth the tributes that the Cardinals gave him. He certainly doesn't deserve to have his number hanging next to Darryl Kile's.

The only thing more outrageous is the insulting lawsuit filed by his family. Shame on all of them.

[STL FANATIC]

Very easily summed up here:

Instant karmas gonna get you

Gonna knock you right on the head

You better get yourself together

Pretty soon youre gonna be dead

What in the world you thinking of

Laughing in the face of love

What on earth you tryin to do

Its up to you, yeah you

Don't drink, smoke weed, text message, and drive.

Just for the record, he was talking on the cell not texting according to reports. Texting was an early rumor, but the reports say a woman was talking to him and he abrubtly stopped and cut off. Just stating this for facts. Talking on a cell while driving is only narrowly better than texting (but probably is better simply because you don't have to look at the phone). It's still stupid though, especially depending on the situation, and being drunk and driving fast at night is not the right situation to be on the phone.

Also an interesting theory being put out there by Bernie Miklasz of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch is that Dean Hancock may know he's got no case but is suing only so (1) his divorced wife (Josh's biological mother) can't file the same case, and/or (2) so his ex-wife can't sue him for not suing as Dean is the Administrator of Josh's Estate (but this last one has been shot down to a certain extent by Missouri lawyers on message boards saying any only Heirs and not Administrators matter in such suits which would put the mother and father on equal ground).

In either case it'd probably just mean someone's way off base looking for money or trying to blame someone else for the death, but it might be the mother moreso than the father, and again in either case, it'd be just plain sad that they couldn't get together after the death of their child and figure out what actions are right and what are wrong in the aftermath.

I read that theory a couple of days ago, could be garbage by now, I'll have to go check on it. Just thought it might be worth sharing.

[Milo Meningocele]

Very easily summed up here:

Instant karmas gonna get you

Gonna knock you right on the head

You better get yourself together

Pretty soon youre gonna be dead

What in the world you thinking of

Laughing in the face of love

What on earth you tryin to do

Its up to you, yeah you

Don't drink, smoke weed, text message, and drive.

"Don't drink, don't smoke--what do you do?"

[STL FANATIC]

Just a couple updates.

The Division of Alcohol and Tobacco Control in Missouri has cleared the restaurant, Mike Shannon's, from responsibility.

Toxicology reports were released, and Hancock was NOT under the influence of marijuana at the time of the wreck.

Of course he still possessed 8.55 grams of it, was drunk, and talking on his cell phone, but its still worth noting.