NJTank Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Joe Torre even thinks what A-Rod did was wrong.http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2890628 www.sportsecyclopedia.com For the best in sports history go to the Sports E-Cyclopedia at http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaltimoreFan Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 It's a safety issue at its core. If an infielder is hesitant to haul up on a pop up after hearing a call for it because he knows that overpaid DB is on the basepaths and it ends up in a Jackson-Damon incident, then it is an issue.I've never seen two infielders collide though. There's really no safety issue because infielders don't run at full speed for simple infield pop ups. I don't really have a problem with it. ARod just yelled something while running on the basepaths. It's a little league move, if it distracts you, you don't belong in the minors. I've been to games all the time where fans have yelled "I Got It" for popouts, how is it much different. Clark should have been able to recognize his teammate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC97 Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 I've been to games all the time where fans have yelled "I Got It" for popouts, how is it much different. Clark should have been able to recognize his teammate.It's different because the voice was coming from right behind his head, where the shortstop would've been.It was Clark's first game with the Blue Jays, called up from Triple-A the night before.The real "tragedy" in all this is that the pitcher during this play was making his MLB debut, facing his first batter when it happened... had A-Rod not done that he would've gotten out of the inning instead of eventually being tagged with a 27.00 ERA --- Chris Creamer Founder/Editor, SportsLogos.Net "The Mothership" • News • Facebook • X/Twitter • Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zer0dotcom Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Sounds like A-Rob knew he was out, couldn't beat the play, so he had to play cheap to play well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred T. Jane Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Sounds like A-Rob knew he was out, couldn't beat the play, so he had to play cheap to play wellIf you're not cheating, then you're not playing baseball. --Various baseball players throughout history, most recently attributed to Mark Grace. [Croatia National Team Manager Slavan] Bilic then went on to explain how Croatia's success can partially be put down to his progressive man-management techniques. "Sometimes I lie in the bed with my players. I go to the room of Vedran Corluka and Luka Modric when I see they have a problem and I lie in bed with them and we talk for 10 minutes." Maybe Capello could try getting through to his players this way too? Although how far he'd get with Joe Cole jumping up and down on the mattress and Rooney demanding to be read his favourite page from The Very Hungry Caterpillar is open to question. --The Guardian's Fiver, 08 September 2008 Attention: In order to obtain maximum enjoyment from your stay at the CCSLC, the reader is advised that the above post may contain large amounts of sarcasm, dry humour, or statements which should not be taken in any true sort of seriousness. As a result, the above poster absolves himself of any and all blame in the event that a forum user responds to the aforementioned post without taking the previous notice into account. Thank you for your cooperation, and enjoy your stay at the CCSLC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zer0dotcom Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Sounds like A-Rob knew he was out, couldn't beat the play, so he had to play cheap to play wellIf you're not cheating, then you're not playing baseball. --Various baseball players throughout history, most recently attributed to Mark Grace.That actually makes sense, now the Corked bats, and multitudes of players using steroids don't seem so out of the ordinary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred T. Jane Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 That actually makes sense, now the Corked bats, and multitudes of players using steroids don't seem so out of the ordinaryHey, I've been pointing this out since I got here. Too bad no one's listenin'... [Croatia National Team Manager Slavan] Bilic then went on to explain how Croatia's success can partially be put down to his progressive man-management techniques. "Sometimes I lie in the bed with my players. I go to the room of Vedran Corluka and Luka Modric when I see they have a problem and I lie in bed with them and we talk for 10 minutes." Maybe Capello could try getting through to his players this way too? Although how far he'd get with Joe Cole jumping up and down on the mattress and Rooney demanding to be read his favourite page from The Very Hungry Caterpillar is open to question. --The Guardian's Fiver, 08 September 2008 Attention: In order to obtain maximum enjoyment from your stay at the CCSLC, the reader is advised that the above post may contain large amounts of sarcasm, dry humour, or statements which should not be taken in any true sort of seriousness. As a result, the above poster absolves himself of any and all blame in the event that a forum user responds to the aforementioned post without taking the previous notice into account. Thank you for your cooperation, and enjoy your stay at the CCSLC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zer0dotcom Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 That actually makes sense, now the Corked bats, and multitudes of players using steroids don't seem so out of the ordinaryHey, I've been pointing this out since I got here. Too bad no one's listenin'... Outside of the Blue Jays, I don't pay a hell of alot of attention (except Anahien). It's like politics, crooked as a squid's 7th tenticle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcgd Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 I'm not sure how many of you guys actually played baseball beyond little league, but fake tags and throws are completely different than yelling "MINE!" or "FENCE!" or something similar to distract a player with his head up in the air looking at a baseball. Fake throws and tags are to keep a runner from advancing an additional base. There isn't a safety concern unless you can't slide properly and somehow injure yourself sliding.Yelling "MINE!" or "NO ROOM" (this happened to me in HS a couple times on pop flies by the opposing dugout, very bushleague in my eyes) doesn't put you in danger that play. the result of the play is at worst a ball falling for a harmless strike (Foul ball) or single (On the infield)What happens is then you have 2 players going for a ball (or one going towards a fence) the next time, where their only form of communication since little league is "Yours" or "Mine". Without it you'll have Ryan Freel collisions every game. Not a good thing.Its against the rules. And more than that, its unsportsmanlike and bush league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSky Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 Where's video of this? Searched Google and YouTube with no luck. Anybody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buildingmaint Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 If it is ok to yell " mine or fence" in a baseball game . Why can't you yell at a pro golfer in the middle of his back swing? Those guys are pros ? Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HedleyLamarr Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 I debated this for a week.....Joe Morgan (of all people) brought up a good point: Players are a lot more gentleman-ly on the field these days. Shouting something is one of those proverbial "unwritten rules" (and I challenge anyone to show me where in the MLB Rulebook that specifically says "No shouting at the fielder"). The objective of the game is to win the game. If a MLB infielder is that distracted, he doesn't belong in the big leagues.It's not cheating if it's not breaking any rule, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC97 Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 I debated this for a week.....Joe Morgan (of all people) brought up a good point: Players are a lot more gentleman-ly on the field these days. Shouting something is one of those proverbial "unwritten rules" (and I challenge anyone to show me where in the MLB Rulebook that specifically says "No shouting at the fielder"). The objective of the game is to win the game. If a MLB infielder is that distracted, he doesn't belong in the big leagues.It's not cheating if it's not breaking any rule, right?It is against MLB rules to attempt to confuse the defensive team, yelling out "Mine!" when behind a fielder making a catch on a pop fly would be attempting to confuse the player.INTERFERENCE(a) Offensive interference is an act by the team at bat which interferes with, obstructs, impedes, hinders or confuses any fielder attempting to make a play. --- Chris Creamer Founder/Editor, SportsLogos.Net "The Mothership" • News • Facebook • X/Twitter • Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HedleyLamarr Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 I debated this for a week.....Joe Morgan (of all people) brought up a good point: Players are a lot more gentleman-ly on the field these days. Shouting something is one of those proverbial "unwritten rules" (and I challenge anyone to show me where in the MLB Rulebook that specifically says "No shouting at the fielder"). The objective of the game is to win the game. If a MLB infielder is that distracted, he doesn't belong in the big leagues.It's not cheating if it's not breaking any rule, right?It is against MLB rules to attempt to confuse the defensive team, yelling out "Mine!" when behind a fielder making a catch on a pop fly would be attempting to confuse the player.INTERFERENCE(a) Offensive interference is an act by the team at bat which interferes with, obstructs, impedes, hinders or confuses any fielder attempting to make a play.So where does it specifically say "Don't say anything to the fielder."? It doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
See Red Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 It was done in an attempt to confuse the fielder -- if you can come up with another reason why he'd be yelling "mine", then please do. According to the rules, which you state does not cover this point, it is illegal to attempt to confuse the fielder. I think it's clearly against the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcgd Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 But Willie Mays Hays did it in Major League!! That mean's its legal right??If "confuses" doesn't mean yelling I don't know what else it could mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC97 Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 INTERFERENCE(a) Offensive interference is an act by the team at bat which interferes with, obstructs, impedes, hinders or confuses any fielder attempting to make a play.So where does it specifically say "Don't say anything to the fielder."? It doesn't."Offensive interference is an act by the team at bat which ... confuses any fielder attempting to make a play."con·fuse (kən-fyōōz')v. con·fused, con·fus·ing, con·fus·es a. To cause to be unable to think with clarity or act with intelligence or understanding; throw off.b. To cause to feel embarrassment.c. To mistake (for another) --- Chris Creamer Founder/Editor, SportsLogos.Net "The Mothership" • News • Facebook • X/Twitter • Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB61 Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 Whether or not we're dealing with major league players, they're still professionals, and what Rodriguez did was totally and completely unprofessional.I mean, if you and one of your co-workers are working on something seperate, you wouldn't like it if he come up behind you and started going, "HAY!", would you? Even if he doesn't get caught, it's still not right.A-Rod is a sissy and his breath smells pissy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_ThenNowForever Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 I mean, if you and one of your co-workers are working on something seperate, you wouldn't like it if he come up behind you and started going, "HAY!", would you? Even if he doesn't get caught, it's still not right.That's not quite right, is it? That would only fit if Derek Jeter yelled out "HAY!" at A-Rod when they were both going for a pop fly, so the analogy isn't quite accurate. A-Rod works in the same profession as the Toronto Blue Jays -- and yes, they are both technically colleagues in Major League Baseball -- but one is employed by the Yankees and the other guy the Jays. So really, they're not co-workers. Just mortal enemies, apparently. And for that matter, our boring office jobs are never analogous to fun, exciting professions like stand-up comedy, professional sports, and starring in movies. No one pays us to watch us ply our craft, nor should they. Short of scouring the Internet for things to do that aren't our jobs, what we do during the day isn't very exciting. 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB61 Posted June 6, 2007 Share Posted June 6, 2007 What if they were working for commission?...I knew what I was talking about, I swear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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