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it's official~!

QUAKES BACK IN 2008!

(July 17) The San Jose Earthquakes will return in 2008!

MLS commissioner Don Garber will announce at Wednesday's All-Star Game press luncheon that the league has accepted Lew Wolff's proposal to have the Earthquakes play next season.

Pinch yourself?you're not dreaming. Nine months from now, we will be watching the Earthquakes take the field.

Our congratulations and thanks go out to Lew Wolff and everyone involved at the A's and at Earthquakes Soccer. Our equally heartfelt congratulations and thanks go out to you, the members of Soccer Silicon Valley, who have time and again risen to the challenge and made your voices heard. We are absolutely certain that this would not be happening without you.

SSV's work is not done, however. We will continue to provide a voice for the Bay Area's soccer community as Wolff and the Earthquakes continue their pursuit of a new stadium in San Jose.

In the meantime, we think it's time to celebrate!

Please join us at the Britannia Arms Downtown at 173 West Santa Clara Street on Thursday evening. We'll start arriving at 5:00, the MLS All-Star Game will be on from 6:00 to 8:00, and you'll find plenty of company to celebrate the return of our two-time MLS Cup champions.

Alexa Jontulovich of Earthquakes Soccer will be on hand to take deposits for 2008 season tickets, and those putting down a deposit will receive a free "Return of the Quakes/Quakes '08" t-shirt. (If you can't make it to the Brit and still want to make your deposit, don't fret. We'll be sending information tomorrow morning on how you order online, using a special priority code for SSV members. Tickets will go on sale to the general public on Monday.)

We hope to see you there!

Thanks again to all of you for your continued support. Go Quakes!

 

 

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And I'm sure, all day, they dream about Becks.

I'm sure you stole that from somewhere else, but it still made me laugh.

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I honestly dont get the hype, Beckham is past his prime and the MLS is a fly by night league, that would be like AA compared to the top Euro Leagues.

You added so much with another run-on sentence.

1-Not getting the hype is fine. They will try to survive without you.

2-Sure he may be past his prime, but did you make the same comment about the Cosmos when you were growing up? He is still a viable player, and at this lever could be a difference maker. Especially for a poor team who seems to need leadership.

3-How long must a league exist for you not to consider them "fly by night"? 25 years? 30 years? Just how long, as the MLS is in season 13? I guess IRL, AMA Supercross, Champ Car, and possibly Monster Tucks also fit your criteria (whatever it is). Half of the teams now play in soccer specific venues with more under construction.

4-One of the few people who has ever compared MLS to The Premiership, La Liga, or the other top European leagues was Alexi Lalas. His opinion was that the Premiership has more sizzle than it does in steak. I don't think that anyone posting on this thread claimed that MLS was the top league globally.

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Why is watching Beckham play any more worthy of fifty dollars than watching Robben or Drogba?

Exactly, even if Beckham wasn't playing, I'd still go. It's a chance to see freakin' Chelsea stateside. Why miss out on that???

Too bad pro soccer goes virtually ignored in these parts :(

It's the historical aspect of it all. Sure im excited to see Chelsea, but to miss out on seeing a player that could spark interest in soccer in the USA in his debut is what would piss me off. Thats what I paid for, not to see the second rate Galaxy get routed by one of the top European teams.

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I honestly dont get the hype, Beckham is past his prime and the MLS is a fly by night league, that would be like AA compared to the top Euro Leagues.

I'll give you that Becks is past his prime, but I don't think anyone, and I mean anyone, thinks they are getting the best player in the world in the MLS. Hell, they don't think they are getting one of the top 50 players in the league. Truth is, there are better players in the MLS NOW!

People aren't excited for that. They are excited to the worlds most popular athlete...period. There still aren't any bigger than him and he's "past his prime." He's bigger than Jordan was. The whole point of the MLS getting Beckham was for the exposure to the world. If Beckham can move soccer in America to even 25% of what it is in other countries (popularity wise), he'll have been more than worth the money to the league and to the sport in America. Once the exposure goes up, there isn't any reason in reality that the MLS couldn't start competeing for the top soccer players in the world, and I don't mean American Soccer players.

This would be like Shaq going to play in the Euroleague for basketball. Or Nomar going to Austrailia to play baseball. Players that are past their prime, but are so popular they could change the landscape of a sport in another country.

And the MLS is fly-by-night if a night is 20 years long. Of course I guess that's one of the ways some of your conservitive friends try interprete the Bible as historical fact... Sorry, no matter how scared you are of soccer (for whatever reason) its hear to stay. Believe it or not everyone younger than me grew up playing soccer, not little league.

I still don't understand the soccer-hatred in this country. Not one bit. Whats wrong with another leauge? Everyone wants another football league be it Indoor or Spring, why can't soccer be that other football league? I understand if you watch it and its not your cup of tea, and usually all I ask is people watch a game with someone that understands it a bit and can explain some things. And if you don't like it...that's not a big deal. But why the constant attack on the sport in america? There are plenty of sports fans that don't like baseball, basketball, or racing, but I rarely hear anyone want those things to just die a slow death. I know I'm not a big fan of the NBA (although I'm starting to get into it) or NASCAR or even WWE....but I don't go to sites or threads about those sports and ask "Who cares, Nascar is a flash in the pan and it will die soon, and I can't wait!!! Save your money you stoopid hicks!!!"

That's well said Pat. Just by signing Beckham, the MLS has gotten much more exposure than it ever has. However, for this to be a true success, the LA Galaxy has to be successful. They have to be one of the teams to beat, which is what Beckham had at Manchester United, Real Madrid. Unfortunately, Beckham doesn't have that luxury in Los Angeles.

The thing about the MLS is that it's has been around ONLY 10 years. It has plenty of time (and money) to grow. Think about how long it took for the established leagues to become very successful. The NFL, the NBA, MLB and NHL, heck even NASCAR took years to establish themselves. Those were not fly-by-night leagues, they had some serious competition in the early days or at least at some point, did they not?

I think, in order for the MLS to reach that upper echelon level, they should be able to develop their own talent, which I think they are starting to do and, try to make a Beckham like deal for every club because once they start creating that level of competition, rivalries and money involved, you will see the quality of soccer improve.

Americans will not gravitiate to soccer overnight, and why blame them? But, I see a rise in popularity that would be sufficient to make the MLS a quality league. It does not have to be half of the country, but maybe a quarter of the country is more than enough. Remember the American population is around 300 million, where as the population in those countries with the best leagues are nowhere near that.

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I still don't understand the soccer-hatred in this country. Not one bit. Whats wrong with another leauge? Everyone wants another football league be it Indoor or Spring, why can't soccer be that other football league? I understand if you watch it and its not your cup of tea, and usually all I ask is people watch a game with someone that understands it a bit and can explain some things. And if you don't like it...that's not a big deal. But why the constant attack on the sport in america? There are plenty of sports fans that don't like baseball, basketball, or racing, but I rarely hear anyone want those things to just die a slow death. I know I'm not a big fan of the NBA (although I'm starting to get into it) or NASCAR or even WWE....but I don't go to sites or threads about those sports and ask "Who cares, Nascar is a flash in the pan and it will die soon, and I can't wait!!! Save your money you stoopid hicks!!!"

Because it's cool! I mean, just look at the ESPN Chapter of the "Mutual Admiration Society... Soccer Bashing-style!" They've been all over this since last Friday. <_<

Frankly, soccer bashing is just their response to a sport that's encroaching on what Andrei Markovits calls national sports hegemony. Basically in a particular period in time in a nation's history (1880-1930 in North America and Western Europe), the sports which became popular and institutionalized with the nation's middle and working class became hegemons in their national culture when it came to sports. History has shown that since that time period that it becomes well-nigh to impossible for other sports to break that hegemony in Western Europe and North America. People who affiliate themselves with these hegemons (Read: Pretty much all of the talking heads in the big time sports media in the US in our case) will, of course, scoff at the newcomers trying to break into the mainstream, because they're secure in their sport(s)' dominance.

[edit] However, in the case of MLS, its threat to the hegemons is much more legitimate than other previous attempts, mainly because MLS' primary market is the same as that of the NFL, MLB, NBA, and NHL--namely the entertainment dollars of the middle class. The Big Three-and-One-Half (as Markovits calls them) control the national sports landscape through its support in the working class. However, the big bucks are made in the middle class, which just happens to be soccer's breadbasket in the US. So, for all of Mark Schlereth, Colin Cowherd, and Tank's scoffing, the rise of MLS as a legitimate sports league in the US [David Beckham and the supposed impending signing of Ronaldo] is, for the first time, a legitimate threat for a sport to force its way into the Big Three-and-One-Half. As I would say, Wir werden sehen.

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Even talking to others in college when MLS SHOULD have been started (that means prior to the 1994 World Cup), I recall this being the consensus among us:

Kids play soccer. Those who play generally like it.

Parents will watch their kids play soccer and try to learn the rules. (Mine didn't give a :censored:)

As the child gets older, most just want to PLAY, not necessarily want to watch others play. Add to that, the young parents of today, who are part of the NASL generation don't rush want to watch others than their kids. MLS has to market to families and rightfully so.

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it's official~!

QUAKES BACK IN 2008!

(July 17) The San Jose Earthquakes will return in 2008!

MLS commissioner Don Garber will announce at Wednesday's All-Star Game press luncheon that the league has accepted Lew Wolff's proposal to have the Earthquakes play next season.

Pinch yourself?you're not dreaming. Nine months from now, we will be watching the Earthquakes take the field.

Our congratulations and thanks go out to Lew Wolff and everyone involved at the A's and at Earthquakes Soccer. Our equally heartfelt congratulations and thanks go out to you, the members of Soccer Silicon Valley, who have time and again risen to the challenge and made your voices heard. We are absolutely certain that this would not be happening without you.

SSV's work is not done, however. We will continue to provide a voice for the Bay Area's soccer community as Wolff and the Earthquakes continue their pursuit of a new stadium in San Jose.

In the meantime, we think it's time to celebrate!

Please join us at the Britannia Arms Downtown at 173 West Santa Clara Street on Thursday evening. We'll start arriving at 5:00, the MLS All-Star Game will be on from 6:00 to 8:00, and you'll find plenty of company to celebrate the return of our two-time MLS Cup champions.

Alexa Jontulovich of Earthquakes Soccer will be on hand to take deposits for 2008 season tickets, and those putting down a deposit will receive a free "Return of the Quakes/Quakes '08" t-shirt. (If you can't make it to the Brit and still want to make your deposit, don't fret. We'll be sending information tomorrow morning on how you order online, using a special priority code for SSV members. Tickets will go on sale to the general public on Monday.)

We hope to see you there!

Thanks again to all of you for your continued support. Go Quakes!

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The MLS cant hold a candle to the NASL, which was by far the best American Soccer League ever.

Nice to see the insanity has crossed over from politics.

Tank, the NASL fan boys wish their dead league was half of what the MLS is, and will become. The NASL had a few good years, but for the most part it just trudged along.

In just ten years MLS has done what the NASL could never accomplish in it's seventeen years of existence; sign the biggest name in the sport.

MLS also seems to have realized from the NASL's mistake. The NASL tried to rise to the level of MLB and the NFL. Soccer just isn't, and never will be, that popular in the States (and Canada for that matter). MLS realizes this, and has decided to embrace its status as a niche league. That's why MLS will survive. The NASL's failure to accept its niche status was the reason it failed.

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The MLS cant hold a candle to the NASL, which was by far the best American Soccer League ever.

Nice to see the insanity has crossed over from politics.

Tank, the NASL fan boys wish their dead league was half of what the MLS is, and will become. The NASL had a few good years, but for the most part it just trudged along.

In just ten years MLS has done what the NASL could never accomplish in it's seventeen years of existence; sign the biggest name in the sport.

MLS also seems to have realized from the NASL's mistake. The NASL tried to rise to the level of MLB and the NFL. Soccer just isn't, and never will be, that popular in the States (and Canada for that matter). MLS realizes this, and has decided to embrace its status as a niche league. That's why MLS will survive. The NASL's failure to accept its niche status was the reason it failed.

Yes, if you think it was the best, please elaborate why. In terms of popularity, the early version of the MISL could be considered the best.

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The MLS cant hold a candle to the NASL, which was by far the best American Soccer League ever.

Nice to see the insanity has crossed over from politics.

i can answer that. Neo-Conservativism is a mental disorder. :upside:

I think that's more appropriate.

OK, I guess if you think the NASL is better, then all the teams in the MLS should switch to Astroturf ^_^

I saw, I came, I left.

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The MLS cant hold a candle to the NASL, which was by far the best American Soccer League ever.

Nice to see the insanity has crossed over from politics.

Tank, the NASL fan boys wish their dead league was half of what the MLS is, and will become. The NASL had a few good years, but for the most part it just trudged along.

In just ten years MLS has done what the NASL could never accomplish in it's seventeen years of existence; sign the biggest name in the sport.

MLS also seems to have realized from the NASL's mistake. The NASL tried to rise to the level of MLB and the NFL. Soccer just isn't, and never will be, that popular in the States (and Canada for that matter). MLS realizes this, and has decided to embrace its status as a niche league. That's why MLS will survive. The NASL's failure to accept its niche status was the reason it failed.

Technically, the NASL did manage to sign Pelé. And I'm not so sure MLS is so accepting of its niche status, signings like Beckham's remind me greatly of the various over-the-hill stars brought into the NASL in a pitiful attempt at gaining a primetime American audience.

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The MLS cant hold a candle to the NASL, which was by far the best American Soccer League ever.

Nice to see the insanity has crossed over from politics.

Tank, the NASL fan boys wish their dead league was half of what the MLS is, and will become. The NASL had a few good years, but for the most part it just trudged along.

In just ten years MLS has done what the NASL could never accomplish in it's seventeen years of existence; sign the biggest name in the sport.

MLS also seems to have realized from the NASL's mistake. The NASL tried to rise to the level of MLB and the NFL. Soccer just isn't, and never will be, that popular in the States (and Canada for that matter). MLS realizes this, and has decided to embrace its status as a niche league. That's why MLS will survive. The NASL's failure to accept its niche status was the reason it failed.

Technically, the NASL did manage to sign Pelé. And I'm not so sure MLS is so accepting of its niche status, signings like Beckham's remind me greatly of the various over-the-hill stars brought into the NASL in a pitiful attempt at gaining a primetime American audience.

True, but I still believe MLS has accepted its niche status, despite signing Beckham. The NASL tried to use the signing of Pelé to elevate it to the status of MLB, the NFL, etc...

IMO I think MLS will use Beckham in a more well though-out manner.

Why? Prior to the NASL signing Pelé they attempted to compete with the bigger North American sports leagues, and they used Pelé to try and "get over the hump."

Prior to MLS signing Bechham the league had already taken steps that indicated they were finished trying to market soccer as a major sport.

Adopting traditional names and uniform styles, soccer-specific stadiums, they all pointed to a pro soccer league that had accepted they were a niche league on the American (and Canadian) sports landscape, and that the new focus would be to market to the existing soccer fans of North America.

So based on the recent actions the league has taken, I expect that MLS will use Beckham to market to the existing soccer fans. Non soccer fans won't become regular viewers, regardless of who MLS is able to sign. IMO the Beckham strategy is to get the fans they already have excited, to use Beckham as a way to say to their fans "our league is this much closer to the pro leagues of Europe."

I also think they're hoping for a trickle-down effect. The soccer fans of North America will be excited that the biggest name in the sport is playing in MLS, which in turn will cause a fair share of sports fans who have never watched soccer with any regularity to tune in. Some will find they actually enjoy the game and become fans themselves, others will decide they don't like it and turn away.

So basically IMO I think MLS won't use Beckham in a desperate attempt to rise to MLB or NFL levels of popularity. I still think they realize they're a niche sport, they're just going to use Beckham to grow that niche.

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The MLS cant hold a candle to the NASL, which was by far the best American Soccer League ever.

Nice to see the insanity has crossed over from politics.

Tank, the NASL fan boys wish their dead league was half of what the MLS is, and will become. The NASL had a few good years, but for the most part it just trudged along.

In just ten years MLS has done what the NASL could never accomplish in it's seventeen years of existence; sign the biggest name in the sport.

MLS also seems to have realized from the NASL's mistake. The NASL tried to rise to the level of MLB and the NFL. Soccer just isn't, and never will be, that popular in the States (and Canada for that matter). MLS realizes this, and has decided to embrace its status as a niche league. That's why MLS will survive. The NASL's failure to accept its niche status was the reason it failed.

Technically, the NASL did manage to sign Pelé. And I'm not so sure MLS is so accepting of its niche status, signings like Beckham's remind me greatly of the various over-the-hill stars brought into the NASL in a pitiful attempt at gaining a primetime American audience.

Main differences between NASL & MLS is that the NASL had wild dreams and were extremely unstable financially.

MLS, on the other hand, has modest aspirations, financially stable, and, like Icecap stated, willing to settle into its own niche. Beckham's basically here as an ambassador of the game...making an insane amount of money while doing so.

 

 

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Can we please stop the Beckham over the hill line of thought. Sure he isn't as young as he used to be, but he basically led Real Madrid to the spanish title this year. He climbed back in to the England squad and has been their best player in the past 2 games he has played. Beckham is still a very capable player, and he coud've easily stayed in Spain or went back to England, where he would still be a star.

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MLS will live much longer than NASL. MLS has slowly and surely built a foundation on which to base its dreams. NASL shot high right away, but burned out just as quickly as it ascended.

Were stadiums being built specifically for NASL teams? No. That is, in my belief, the prime evidence of MLS's superior approach.

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MLS will live much longer than NASL. MLS has slowly and surely built a foundation on which to base its dreams. NASL shot high right away, but burned out just as quickly as it ascended.

Were stadiums being built specifically for NASL teams? No. That is, in my belief, the prime evidence of MLS's superior approach.

Not only that, but the NASL was convinced that it could fill a 60,000 seat stadium for most of its games. Sadly, that's not how it is in soccer.

BTW -- I'm glad San Jose is back and all, but I think it's about time Philadelphia got a damn team.

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