rams80 Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 Sweet it?s the score. Best sports station ever.And ya the NBA has got a big hole to climb out of. Does any one know if he did the finals last year.Nope...But he did do Game 3 of the Spurs-Suns series. Which amounts to the same thing. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 The NBA knew he was being investigated at that point had Private Investigators looking into his gambling, and let him do this game. They have allot of explaining to do. www.sportsecyclopedia.com For the best in sports history go to the Sports E-Cyclopedia at http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFoA Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 Yeah, David Stern's job is in jeopardy, you gotta think. If he knew about this and did next to nothing, he's gotta be ousted, because that's ridiculous and putting the game's integrity at jeopardy. Yet Stern, as the commish, did nothing more than hire a private eye and let him do the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 This is something the NBA may tak years to recover from especially if t turns out more refs are involved. www.sportsecyclopedia.com For the best in sports history go to the Sports E-Cyclopedia at http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzcut Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 I know this may sound strange, but if Donaghy spills the beans and implicates not only other referees, but also players and coaches, even league employees for being in on this, the Bush Administration may have no choice but to shut the league down. Chances that this happens though are quite thin (possibly infintesmal). The CCSLC's resident Geelong Cats fan. Viva La Vida or Death And All His Friends. Sounds like something from a Rocky & Bullwinkle story arc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 There may be more officials involved. This might be bigger than the Black Sox.I doubt it will be bigger than that considering that scandal was the throwing of the World Series (although it was well known it was going on at the time). Plus gambling and throwing games in baseball was widespread at the time I don't think it is widespread in the NBA currently. When they said the Feds think he will cooperate I'm assuming they mean aid in the prosecution of the mobsters which is who they are really after not any refs. So while there is a fear that it might be a bit more widespread I don't think the league should panic that he is going to name names. To be honest even if it is bigger he might not know who else is involved if there are others.Even if there is no one else involved, this could be bigger (in terms of damage done) than the Black Sox. As ugly as the Black Sox scandal was, it did not occur in an era of 24/7/365 media scrutiny and an equally unrelenting blogosphere, both ready, willing and able to serve up a storm of bad publicity at the drop of a hat. The Donaghy scandal did. It could well end up doing to the NBA, and perhaps all levels of basketball (the NCAA is already bracing for the same storm to fall on college hoops) if not all American sports in general, what Florida 2000 did to American politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
See Red Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 But is it not also "fixing" the game when one team's players/stars decide not to play at a high level and the other's do?There's a difference between affecting the outcome of a game and predetermining the outcome of a game; likewise, there's a difference between one player on one team underachieving and a supposedly neutral official tampering with the game in order to cover a point spread. Do you see what I'm saying? I understand what you mean, though. Underachieving is a problem for the NBA, but officials betting on games is a HUGE problem for the NBA.What the ref was doing, and what the players are doing, is the same thing fundamentally. They are both predetermining the outcome of a game, the ref through questionable calls, the player by deciding that instead of playing to the best of his ability like he should, he would prefer to just mess around and get paid anyway. When a NBA game is played, it is based on the theoretical assumption that you will get both players doing their best, and neutral refs. The NBA cannot guarantee either right now.To the Phoenix fan complaining in the graveyarded thread...Your team failed to hold serve at home in Games 1 and 5. Which was their fault. Why don't you point some fingers there (and at stupid players who forget to STAY ON THE BENCH when melees break out) as opposed to the crooked ref.In another game in that series, Tim Duncan walked onto the court when it looked like their would be an altercation before being pulled back by Bruce Bowen. Tim Duncan only took a few steps onto the court, but if there is no gray area to the rule, as David Stern had us all believe, then Duncan should've been suspended.The NBA apparently has a bigger problem than a crooked referee. If David Stern was investigating this, while still allowing him to officiate games, then they have a crooked commissioner as well. The NBA's integrity when it came to officiating was already in question long before this happened. This is the worst thing that could've happened to the League. I'm done with the NBA for the time being... there's a lot of changes to be made to regain this fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 In another game in that series, Tim Duncan walked onto the court when it looked like their would be an altercation before being pulled back by Bruce Bowen. Tim Duncan only took a few steps onto the court, but if there is no gray area to the rule, as David Stern had us all believe, then Duncan should've been suspended.Well, obviously Phoenix was lax in their duty to point this out to David Stern on the game tape. That and they didn't make an issue of it. Lesson learned...do that next time. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFoA Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 In another game in that series, Tim Duncan walked onto the court when it looked like their would be an altercation before being pulled back by Bruce Bowen. Tim Duncan only took a few steps onto the court, but if there is no gray area to the rule, as David Stern had us all believe, then Duncan should've been suspended.Well, obviously Phoenix was lax in their duty to point this out to David Stern on the game tape. That and they didn't make an issue of it. Lesson learned...do that next time.So it's supposed to be the Suns job to help point out broken rules instead of the league office's, who reviewed the tape? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 In another game in that series, Tim Duncan walked onto the court when it looked like their would be an altercation before being pulled back by Bruce Bowen. Tim Duncan only took a few steps onto the court, but if there is no gray area to the rule, as David Stern had us all believe, then Duncan should've been suspended.Well, obviously Phoenix was lax in their duty to point this out to David Stern on the game tape. That and they didn't make an issue of it. Lesson learned...do that next time.So it's supposed to be the Suns job to help point out broken rules instead of the league office's, who reviewed the tape?Well, it was always my understanding that if you wanted the league to look at something specific on the game tape, you were within your bounds to tell them to do that. Again...make a big enough issue of it so ESPN starts talking about it, and your squeaky wheel gets its grease. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xyzzyva Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 Absolutely monumental stuff right here. The very integrity of the NBA is under attack. Best case, the guy's innocent of charges. Worst case scenario, he ain't the only ref (or player, shudder) doing this...Does match-fixing by a player make you shudder more than match-fixing by a ref? How could anyone compromise the integrity of a game more than those supposed to be neutrally officiating it? The only thing that might be worse (maybe) is if the matches were fixed from the top down, a la professional wrestling (not that many haven't suspected that as well in the NBA).My point: what this ref has done is far, far worse than the Black Sox, or college basketball point-shaving, or Pete Rose, or even teams tanking for a lottery pick. In each of those cases a participant is choosing to value money more than winning, but it is their own problem, so to speak (along with their teammates'). But if a ref is corrupt the disadvantaged party neither merits losing, nor chooses to lose, and the whole system become pointless (other than the money to be made).Not at all. My point is that this can go way deeper than one ref, and can include multiple referees and players.Sorry, I think that I quoted the wrong post, or else I was on something... On second thought, I think I was hungover. Yeah, that's it. There are 10 types of people in this world: those who understand binary and those who don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzcut Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Report: Donaghy to plead GUILTY tomorrow(Wed)It looks like the Merde is about to meet the fan on this. The CCSLC's resident Geelong Cats fan. Viva La Vida or Death And All His Friends. Sounds like something from a Rocky & Bullwinkle story arc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigga Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Guess it ain't "alleged" anymore. (Yes, I will say the same thing when Vick pleads out Friday) On January 16, 2013 at 3:49 PM, NJTank said: Btw this is old hat for Notre Dame. Knits Rockne made up George Tip's death bed speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 looks like he may be in more troubleAndrew Thomas wants probe of referee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigga Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Will Suns fans ever stop whining? On January 16, 2013 at 3:49 PM, NJTank said: Btw this is old hat for Notre Dame. Knits Rockne made up George Tip's death bed speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzcut Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Just flashing on SportsCenter:Report: Tim Donaghy to name UP to 20 NBA referees who engaged in gambling activity. Here's the story from ESPN.com:Donaghy to share info about other refs with fedsESPN.com news servicesFormer NBA official Tim Donaghy will reportedly give federal prosecutors information that will implicate other referees in some forms of gambling activity as part of his cooperation with government officials.The offenses might not include any criminal activity, but could draw the ire of NBA commissioner David Stern, who has insisted the Donaghy situation was that of a "rogue, isolated criminal." A report on 1050 ESPN Radio in New York said Donaghy will give prosecutors as many as 20 names of other NBA officials and will detail their involvement in some form of gambling activity. The specifics of the gambling allegations are reportedly believed to include betting in casinos."As far as we know, the misconduct was isolated to one individual, and we'll stand by that until proven otherwise," National Basketball Referees Association director Lamell McMorris told ESPN.com's Chris Sheridan. "We'll review whatever information Tim Donaghy alleges, but as far as we're concerned, the only person whose conduct has been proven wrong is Tim Donaghy. We're dealing with truth, not hearsay, and the truth is that the only person who has pleaded guilty to any kind of wrongdoing is Tim Donaghy."NBA spokesman Brian McIntyre said the league had received no information regarding the possibility of other officials being investigated. The NBA's collective bargaining agreement with the officials bans gambling by referees, although there is one exception -- officials are allowed to go to the racetrack and bet on horses during the offseason.Donaghy, who pleaded guilty on Thursday and was released on $250,000 bond, faces a maximum of 25 years in prison when he is sentenced Nov. 9 for conspiracy to engage in wire fraud and transmitting betting information through interstate commerce. He also must pay a $500,000 fine and at least $30,000 in restitution to the government.Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.Translation: Isolated incident my asp. The CCSLC's resident Geelong Cats fan. Viva La Vida or Death And All His Friends. Sounds like something from a Rocky & Bullwinkle story arc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HedleyLamarr Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Icecap got banned/suspended?Not that I disagree with that...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrdevil Posted August 17, 2007 Author Share Posted August 17, 2007 EDIT: nevermind what I said I found the article. It looks like ESPN is trying to bury this Refs story it's the 8th story in the headline line box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coast2CoastAM2006 Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 i wonder if any of these refs had a hand in the Mavs/Heat series. I always had a feeling that series wasn't up to snuff with things. Just from a casual POV, i had a feeling that the mavs were getting screwed out of the championship. Spoilers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigga Posted August 18, 2007 Share Posted August 18, 2007 No one ever loses anymore, they just get cheated out of a win. On January 16, 2013 at 3:49 PM, NJTank said: Btw this is old hat for Notre Dame. Knits Rockne made up George Tip's death bed speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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