KevinMcD Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 Giants Stadium is 31 years old. It could stay up for another 31 years. Look at Arrowhead Stadium, Ralph Wilson Stadium, even Monster Park. If those are still up, why can't Giant Stadium stay up another 30 years?and Ralph Wilson Stadium's replacement is already being designed. ......And bills2005, that is not only downright wrong, offensive and biased, the Cowboys are building and equally expensive and opulent new stadium. Please think before you post something dumb....again.I've heard nothing of Buffalo/Erie County/Bills building a new stadium, they can barely afford for the Police Dpt. let alone a billion dollar stadium. Use your own logic "Think before you post something dumb....again."Ralph Wilson Stadium is a very nice venue, and only cost $22M, plus upkeep it still is probably under $250M. A stadium 5 times the price of the stadium in OP is ridiculous.Also from what I know of New Yorkers (not all of them, obviously) they think that they are the center of the universe, and they are better than any other city in the world. I went there this summer, enjoyed my trip, but I saw many (not all) of the NYers that are cocky, rude, and that they need to get off of their high horse. Also the stadium in Dallas is unneeded. Just because someone else spends a $1.3B on a new stadium, doesn't mean it's right for you to do it too. From what I saw of NYC, most of the normal generalizations are true.If NYC fans demanded a new venue, I don't mind that the Giants and Jets are building one, with their own money, but the West Side Stadium was to be built with my tax dollars. Why should I have to pay for a brand new Billion dollar stadium, when their is a current one suitable for the team. It was a waste of money. Thankfully it was turned down. They could be using that $ upstate, where we need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainmaker17 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 Also the stadium in Dallas is unneeded.Have you been to Texas Stadium? Talk about a dump. I'm not saying Jerry needs to break the bank on the new one, but Dallas seriously needed an upgrade. Thank God they're gettting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koizim Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 Giants Stadium is 31 years old. It could stay up for another 31 years. Look at Arrowhead Stadium, Ralph Wilson Stadium, even Monster Park. If those are still up, why can't Giant Stadium stay up another 30 years?and Ralph Wilson Stadium's replacement is already being designed. ......And bills2005, that is not only downright wrong, offensive and biased, the Cowboys are building and equally expensive and opulent new stadium. Please think before you post something dumb....again.I've heard nothing of Buffalo/Erie County/Bills building a new stadium, they can barely afford for the Police Dpt. let alone a billion dollar stadium. Use your own logic "Think before you post something dumb....again."Ralph Wilson Stadium is a very nice venue, and only cost $22M, plus upkeep it still is probably under $250M. A stadium 5 times the price of the stadium in OP is ridiculous.I never said the Bills were getting a $1.3B stadium. Their new proposed stadium would cost $400 million (the same price as Cincy's gorgeous Paul Brown Stadium). One contributing factor to the new Giants Stadium cost so much is because land in that area is so expensive (same with the Jets stadium that got shot down, but more so). Plus, Ralph Wilson Stadium cost $22M back in 1973, which nowadays would be a whole lot more. Finally, Giants Stadium hosts two teams, plus way more concerts and the new Giants stadium will have to do the same. Engine, Engine, Number Nine, on the New York transit line, If my train goes off the track, pick it up! Pick it up! Pick it up! Back on the scene, crispy and clean, You can try, but then why, 'cause you can't intervene. We be the outcast, down for the settle. Won't play the rock, won't play the pebble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinMcD Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 I never said the Bills were getting a $1.3B stadium. Their new proposed stadium would cost $400 million (the same price as Cincy's gorgeous Paul Brown Stadium).Maybe their is some unknown proposal that only a few people know about, but not one person I in this area thinks we need a new stadium. And the politicians wouldn't even propose it. I've heard NO talk at all about a new stadiumOne contributing factor to the new Giants Stadium cost so much is because land in that area is so expensive (same with the Jets stadium that got shot down, but more so).Don't they already own the land? Aren't they building on the same site in the Meadowlands? Maybe I'm wrong and they lease it or something. And would that really affect the price of the stadium?Plus, Ralph Wilson Stadium cost $22M back in 1973, which nowadays would be a whole lot more.True, I forgot about inflation. You're correct here.Finally, Giants Stadium hosts two teams, plus way more concerts and the new Giants stadium will have to do the same.Also true, but how does that affect the price of a stadium? Sure it is used much more that the Ralph (hosts 10 Bills games, HS Football (4 days) and maybe a concert every year) but does it have to be so much nicer than the Bills stadium just because it hosts more events? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAD! Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 Giants Stadium is 31 years old. It could stay up for another 31 years. Look at Arrowhead Stadium, Ralph Wilson Stadium, even Monster Park. If those are still up, why can't Giant Stadium stay up another 30 years?and Ralph Wilson Stadium's replacement is already being designed. ......And bills2005, that is not only downright wrong, offensive and biased, the Cowboys are building and equally expensive and opulent new stadium. Please think before you post something dumb....again.I've heard nothing of Buffalo/Erie County/Bills building a new stadium, they can barely afford for the Police Dpt. let alone a billion dollar stadium. Use your own logic "Think before you post something dumb....again."Didn't Ralph Wilson Stadium go through some renovations just a few years back? I think there was an option for a dome over the stadium, but I have not heard about replacing the stadium altogether... I saw, I came, I left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinMcD Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 Also the stadium in Dallas is unneeded.Have you been to Texas Stadium? Talk about a dump. I'm not saying Jerry needs to break the bank on the new one, but Dallas seriously needed an upgrade. Thank God they're gettting it.No, I haven't. But a $1,000,000,000 stadium? You could build a stadium for less than 1/2 as much(Cincy). Why do they need a rectactable roof, and a gigantic sized scorebord?I didn't mean a stadium in Dallas is unneeded, but such a fancy stadium is unneeded, espically when partially paid for by taxpayers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAD! Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 Also the stadium in Dallas is unneeded.Have you been to Texas Stadium? Talk about a dump. I'm not saying Jerry needs to break the bank on the new one, but Dallas seriously needed an upgrade. Thank God they're gettting it.No, I haven't. But a $1,000,000,000 stadium? You could build a stadium for less than 1/2 as much(Cincy). Why do they need a rectactable roof, and a gigantic sized scorebord?I didn't mean a stadium in Dallas is unneeded, but such a fancy stadium is unneeded, espically when partially paid for by taxpayers.... as opposed to Paul Brown Stadium that was paid ENTIRELY by taxpayers... (well sales tax) I saw, I came, I left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinMcD Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 Also the stadium in Dallas is unneeded.Have you been to Texas Stadium? Talk about a dump. I'm not saying Jerry needs to break the bank on the new one, but Dallas seriously needed an upgrade. Thank God they're gettting it.No, I haven't. But a $1,000,000,000 stadium? You could build a stadium for less than 1/2 as much(Cincy). Why do they need a rectactable roof, and a gigantic sized scorebord?I didn't mean a stadium in Dallas is unneeded, but such a fancy stadium is unneeded, espically when partially paid for by taxpayers.... as opposed to Paul Brown Stadium that was paid ENTIRELY by taxpayers... (well sales tax)I think taxpayers should have to give nothing to build a stadium, except infrastructure getting to it (if needed). Why should you have to give $400M to the owner of the team. And then he makes millions off of it. If he wants a new stadium he can build it himself, with his own money. To awnser your other question, RWS was updated in the late 90's to add more luxury seating. I don't remember any talk of a roof, but I was only ~8. I know most of the Bills fans don't want a dome. Football should be played outdoors. But there was talk of a dome in Lancaster (northtowns) before they built the Ralph in OP(southtowns) in 1973. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koizim Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 Usually, the most that taxpayers have to pay is 5-8 cents extra on the sales tax. And if you don't like the idea of a new Giants Stadium, honestly, tough s**t for you. You're not paying for it, you don't root for the Giants or Jets, and it doesn't affect you. Get over it: the Bills are a poor franchise who will blow up Ralph Wilson Stadium to replace with a new one as soon as they get the chance. Engine, Engine, Number Nine, on the New York transit line, If my train goes off the track, pick it up! Pick it up! Pick it up! Back on the scene, crispy and clean, You can try, but then why, 'cause you can't intervene. We be the outcast, down for the settle. Won't play the rock, won't play the pebble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAD! Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 I think taxpayers should have to give nothing to build a stadium, except infrastructure getting to it (if needed). Why should you have to give $400M to the owner of the team. And then he makes millions off of it. If he wants a new stadium he can build it himself, with his own money. To awnser your other question, RWS was updated in the late 90's to add more luxury seating. I don't remember any talk of a roof, but I was only ~8. I know most of the Bills fans don't want a dome. Football should be played outdoors. But there was talk of a dome in Lancaster (northtowns) before they built the Ralph in OP(southtowns) in 1973.Oh, I absolutely agree, taxpayers should not be giving money away to build a stadium except for the infrastructure (roads and the like) If a person is rich enough to BUY the team, he certainly would have enough left over to build a playground for the team. But, you should also blame the taxpayers is some cases who vote on building these stadiums. It's not Jerry Jones's fault that Arlington taxpayers voted on a tax increase to help pay for the new stadium.... or is it? I saw, I came, I left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinMcD Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 Usually, the most that taxpayers have to pay is 5-8 cents extra on the sales tax. And if you don't like the idea of a new Giants Stadium, honestly, tough s**t for you. You're not paying for it, you don't root for the Giants or Jets, and it doesn't affect you. Get over it: the Bills are a poor franchise who will blow up Ralph Wilson Stadium to replace with a new one as soon as they get the chance.Wow....If the Giants and Jets want to build their own stadium, with their own money, go for it. But I was more upset about the proposed "West Side Stadium" which I would have payed for. Luckily the voters turned it down.And with your comment on the Bills "blowing up" RWS to get a new one is ridiculous. I know you are exaggerating, but they know that the taxpayers couldn't afford a new stadium today. They could barely pay for the $5 million scoreboard installed this summer. The only way the Bills get a stadium in the next 10 years is if they move or Wilson (or his successor) pays for it themselvs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_ThenNowForever Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 Eh. I would imagine that much of New York City's tax base keeps an awful lot of upstate New York afloat. I'm against publicly financed stadia in principle, but I think any notion that the City owes upstate more than upstate owes the City doesn't make much sense to me. 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 Also the stadium in Dallas is unneeded.Have you been to Texas Stadium? Talk about a dump. I'm not saying Jerry needs to break the bank on the new one, but Dallas seriously needed an upgrade. Thank God they're gettting it.No, I haven't. But a $1,000,000,000 stadium? You could build a stadium for less than 1/2 as much(Cincy). Why do they need a rectactable roof, and a gigantic sized scorebord?I didn't mean a stadium in Dallas is unneeded, but such a fancy stadium is unneeded, espically when partially paid for by taxpayers.And you'll notice that Dallas is now in the Super Bowl rotation, being the site of Super Bowl XLV, while Cincinnati will never even get a sniff of hosting that game. Perhaps that is why they are getting the uber expensive stadium with the retractable roof and the armageddontron.The Colts pitched a potential Super Bowl IIRC as a reason to put a retractable roof on Lucas Oil Stadium. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winters in buffalo Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 Eh. I would imagine that much of New York City's tax base keeps an awful lot of upstate New York afloat. I'm against publicly financed stadia in principle, but I think any notion that the City owes upstate more than upstate owes the City doesn't make much sense to me.NYC may pay a larger portion of the whole pot, but they're getting more for their dollar. Unless they've made some drastic changes since I've left, Upstate pays significantly more than they get back. I think the return was down around 85 cents on the dollar right before I moved in '03. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrdevil Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 Don't they already own the land? Aren't they building on the same site in the Meadowlands? Maybe I'm wrong and they lease it or something. And would that really affect the price of the stadium?No they don't own the land. The Meadowlands (Giants Stadium, the racetrack, and the soon to be former Continental Airlines Arena plus all the land) is owned by the State of New Jersey and run through the NJSEA which is a government organization. I believe as part of this new stadium deal the Giants and Jets have pay off the debt that is left on the current stadium (which still remains from 1976). I'm not sure what the land arrangements of this deal are but at least before the deal neither team owned the land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainmaker17 Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 Eh. I would imagine that much of New York City's tax base keeps an awful lot of upstate New York afloat. I'm against publicly financed stadia in principle, but I think any notion that the City owes upstate more than upstate owes the City doesn't make much sense to me.Good point, gitlin. That's the main reason the Jerrydome is being built in Arlington. Dallas proper wouldn't foot the bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JQK Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 Funny how everyone is talking about the New York Taxpayers.The Giants and Jets are now both based in New Jersey (the Jets are moving their offices from Hofstra to the Meadowlands), and the stadium is in New Jersey and run by the the New Jersey Sports and Exposition Authority.It would be the New Jersey tax payers stuck with the check, not New Yorkers. Stay Tuned Sports Podcast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CC97 Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 I never said the Bills were getting a $1.3B stadium. Their new proposed stadium would cost $400 million (the same price as Cincy's gorgeous Paul Brown Stadium).I believe the Rogers Centre cost about $500 million (20 years ago), so their new proposed stadium would actually be more than Paul Brown --- Chris Creamer Founder/Editor, SportsLogos.Net  "The Mothership" • News • Facebook • X/Twitter • Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koizim Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 I never said the Bills were getting a $1.3B stadium. Their new proposed stadium would cost $400 million (the same price as Cincy's gorgeous Paul Brown Stadium).I believe the Rogers Centre cost about $500 million (20 years ago), so their new proposed stadium would actually be more than Paul Brown True but the Rogers Centre has a retractable roof and is built upon the waterfront in a city where real estate is quite expensive, whereas the new proposed RWS will occupy the northern section of the parking lot (essentially right along Southwestern Boulevard) where RWS currently stands and will have no roof. Also, has it really been 20 years since the Rogers Centre (then Skydome) was built? Damn, seems like yesterday... Engine, Engine, Number Nine, on the New York transit line, If my train goes off the track, pick it up! Pick it up! Pick it up! Back on the scene, crispy and clean, You can try, but then why, 'cause you can't intervene. We be the outcast, down for the settle. Won't play the rock, won't play the pebble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinMcD Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 I never said the Bills were getting a $1.3B stadium. Their new proposed stadium would cost $400 million (the same price as Cincy's gorgeous Paul Brown Stadium).I believe the Rogers Centre cost about $500 million (20 years ago), so their new proposed stadium would actually be more than Paul Brown True but the Rogers Centre has a retractable roof and is built upon the waterfront in a city where real estate is quite expensive, whereas the new proposed RWS will occupy the northern section of the parking lot (essentially right along Southwestern Boulevard) where RWS currently stands and will have no roof. Also, has it really been 20 years since the Rogers Centre (then Skydome) was built? Damn, seems like yesterday...Can I please see where you get this info about the "proposed" Bills Stadium???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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