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It goes without saying that Roberto Clemente was an amazing ballplayer and humanitarian. But government should be wasting ZERO time with sports, unless it affects the economy or constituent safety.

*Perhaps more interesting is the article's mention of Jackie Robinson's family being opposed to the honor. It's not the first I've heard of it, but it still astounds me.

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The legislature. Agreed. Not of importance to the State of PA.

The honor. Unlike Robinson, Clemente did not break any barrier. While he was one of the first latin players, he was not the first. He was, I think, the first to end up in the HOF. I read his biography recently and from all I can tell he was a great ballplayer and guy and while he was not subject to the full treatment that Robinson was, the segregation and general attitudes were impactful early in his career (and likely throughout). This was particularly true in Florida (spring training) where he could not stay where the white players stayed.

All that said, I don't know if I want to see MLB start retiring more numbers league wide.

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Nice thought. Clemente was a truly great player and humanitarian. This is a complete waste of time and taxpayers dollars. The Pennsylvania Legislature, all legislatures in fact, should leave the retired numbers etc. to MLB. If Pennsylvania has reached the point where their elected officials have nothing better to do than try to get numbers retired then things must be going really, really, well there.

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While I admire Clemente and am a huge Pirate fan, this should have nothing to do with the state. The state should be worried about roads (which suck) and things like that. If MLB wants to do something, let them. Also, if the MLB or any other league wanted, they could retire a ton of numbers of people who were the "first" a "minority" a "humanitarian" etc. It will get out of hand and "cheapen" the ones who are retired by a team or league.

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Nice thought. Clemente was a truly great player and humanitarian. This is a complete waste of time and taxpayers dollars. The Pennsylvania Legislature, all legislatures in fact, should leave the retired numbers etc. to MLB. If Pennsylvania has reached the point where their elected officials have nothing better to do than try to get numbers retired then things must be going really, really, well there.

Not so much. We have much bigger fish to fry, like the whole doctors don't want to be in PA thing, the whole outrageous amounts of gun violence, horrible roads and DOT effectiveness...

... but this is what we get for twice electing a governor who I only hear speak on an Eagles postgame show. I swear I don't think I have heard him say anything related to politics since his reelection.

Sports > the Commonwealth at this point apparently and, I guess, the sentiment is shared among all levels of the state government.

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Nice thought. Clemente was a truly great player and humanitarian. This is a complete waste of time and taxpayers dollars. The Pennsylvania Legislature, all legislatures in fact, should leave the retired numbers etc. to MLB. If Pennsylvania has reached the point where their elected officials have nothing better to do than try to get numbers retired then things must be going really, really, well there.

Not so much. We have much bigger fish to fry, like the whole doctors don't want to be in PA thing, the whole outrageous amounts of gun violence, horrible roads and DOT effectiveness...

... but this is what we get for twice electing a governor who I only hear speak on an Eagles postgame show. I swear I don't think I have heard him say anything related to politics since his reelection.

Sports > the Commonwealth at this point apparently and, I guess, the sentiment is shared among all levels of the state government.

The Gov is a (Eastern PA) biased tool. Let's see...the Eagles, Phillies, 76ers, Flyers etc get new parks...let's make a big deal about the Pitts teams and let's all but block the Pens from getting one. Any casinos? Let's do what we can to get them away from Western PA. Do you know things like a lot of health care and disease reporting is exempt from Philly when they report PA stats? I can't stand this guy. Don't get me started on the Western PA roads....

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Nice thought. Clemente was a truly great player and humanitarian. This is a complete waste of time and taxpayers dollars. The Pennsylvania Legislature, all legislatures in fact, should leave the retired numbers etc. to MLB. If Pennsylvania has reached the point where their elected officials have nothing better to do than try to get numbers retired then things must be going really, really, well there.

Not so much. We have much bigger fish to fry, like the whole doctors don't want to be in PA thing, the whole outrageous amounts of gun violence, horrible roads and DOT effectiveness...

... but this is what we get for twice electing a governor who I only hear speak on an Eagles postgame show. I swear I don't think I have heard him say anything related to politics since his reelection.

Sports > the Commonwealth at this point apparently and, I guess, the sentiment is shared among all levels of the state government.

The Gov is a (Eastern PA) biased tool. Let's see...the Eagles, Phillies, 76ers, Flyers etc get new parks...let's make a big deal about the Pitts teams and let's all but block the Pens from getting one. Any casinos? Let's do what we can to get them away from Western PA. Do you know things like a lot of health care and disease reporting is exempt from Philly when they report PA stats? I can't stand this guy. Don't get me started on the Western PA roads....

All fo this, combimed with all the rest of the problems with this state (at least as far as I can tell), is EXACTLY why I'm moving out west after I come back from my next deployment overseas.

And here I thought LA goverment had issues...

(OK...Lousiana may have deeper-running issues, but something's just wrong with this "Keystone State", on so many levels. Got to get up outta here.)

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The MLB should promote more the humanitarian works started by Roberto Clemente.

Retiring his number won't help the poor, hungry people. More difussion to making aware of the importance of helping your neighbor, yes, it helps alots.

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PA Government in a nutshell:

Rendell & Philadelphia

Oh c'mon. If Fast Eddie didn't care about yinz on the other side of the mountains, he'd be busy trying to get the Eagles to retire Ricky Williams's #34. :rolleyes:

This is the legislative equivalent of a nuisance lawsuit. Our neighbors to the West have far more important things to shore up around the Commonwealth than to force a private entity to endow an honor on one of its own against its will. Seeing that all but 2 of the teams fall outside the state of Pennsylvania, I can't imagine this holds too much water nationally. So it's probably nothing more than what it is: shameless pandering to the Latino community.

As has already been said, while Clemente was a fine ballplayer and an even finer human being, retiring #21 is unnecessary. He wasn't the first Latino. He wasn't the best Latino. He was a wonderful man who tried tragically before his time and on a mission of mercy. He's already had his team retire his #21 and MLB named a distinguished award for him. To elevate #21 to the level of #42 reeks of tokenism, like Clemente was somehow "the Latino Jackie Robinson". Robinson did more than just play baseball; he permanently altered our societal and cultural fabric. He was truly a pioneer who endured more than he deserved to at a time when prejudice was a way of life. (Consider that an entity as large and powerful - and government-run - as the armed forces weren't desegregated until the same year Robinson broke the color line.) Retiring #21 cheapens Robinson's legacy.

There may one day be a man who embodies the talent and class of Roberto Clemente, but there can never be another Jackie Robinson.

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