DDR Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 I may be biased, but you're going to have a tough time convincing me that Torii Hunter isn't worthy of this Gold Glove award.I'll back up the Hunter-deserved-his-GG argument. Putting numbers aside for a second (note: not dismissing them altogether), nobody changes the way the outfield plays like Hunter. He's so fun to watch out there, and that's why I put him down in that "player-you-can't-hate-on-the-team-you-hate" thread or whatever it was called. I very much hope the White Sox sign him, because not only does it fill a hole for us, it eliminates one of the biggest Sox-killers in recent memory. I'd break his salary down like this: (how much I'd pay to have Hunter play for us) + (how much I'd pay to not have Hunter in our division). To me, that total has to be equal to or less than Hunter's asking price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epper Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 john mcdonald is the best defensive SS i've ever seen...he makes plays on a daily basis that most SS wouldn't even try to make.he got absolutely robbed because he can't hit worth a lick, so nobody notices him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HatManTC Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 I may be biased, but you're going to have a tough time convincing me that Torii Hunter isn't worthy of this Gold Glove award.Coco Crisp deserved the award over him -- then again, he deserved it over all three AL Outfielders that won it. Crisp was actually probably the best defensive player in the league. His defensive win shares is 8.5! That number is insane. Ichiro was a 3.3, Hunter was a 5.0, Sizemore was a 5.5...kinda sound homerish to me. Sizemore played more innings then any other player in the AL at the CF postion and only had 2 errors all year long.per the MLB websiteSizemore finished with a .995 fielding percentage, 399 putouts and his 1,409 2/3 innings were the most logged by any AL center fielder.dont know about you, but i think that being .005 away from being perfect deserves some type of award. by RoscoeUA by gingerbreadman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
See Red Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 I may be biased, but you're going to have a tough time convincing me that Torii Hunter isn't worthy of this Gold Glove award.Coco Crisp deserved the award over him -- then again, he deserved it over all three AL Outfielders that won it. Crisp was actually probably the best defensive player in the league. His defensive win shares is 8.5! That number is insane. Ichiro was a 3.3, Hunter was a 5.0, Sizemore was a 5.5...kinda sound homerish to me. Sizemore played more innings then any other player in the AL at the CF postion and only had 2 errors all year long.per the MLB websiteSizemore finished with a .995 fielding percentage, 399 putouts and his 1,409 2/3 innings were the most logged by any AL center fielder.dont know about you, but i think that being .005 away from being perfect deserves some type of award.I meant more or less over Ichiro. I'd have gone Crisp, Hunter, and Sizemore... but I'd say, without hesitation, that Crisp was the best defensive player in the league. His defensive win share, and numbers in general, this year compare favorably to the best defensive fielders of this generations best seasons. Now, if you can say that .005 away from being perfect deserves an award, then I think you'd agree that .002 away deserves an award too, as Crisp's fielding percentage was a .998, with a pretty sizable advantage in his range factor over Sizemore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HatManTC Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 I may be biased, but you're going to have a tough time convincing me that Torii Hunter isn't worthy of this Gold Glove award.Coco Crisp deserved the award over him -- then again, he deserved it over all three AL Outfielders that won it. Crisp was actually probably the best defensive player in the league. His defensive win shares is 8.5! That number is insane. Ichiro was a 3.3, Hunter was a 5.0, Sizemore was a 5.5...kinda sound homerish to me. Sizemore played more innings then any other player in the AL at the CF postion and only had 2 errors all year long.per the MLB websiteSizemore finished with a .995 fielding percentage, 399 putouts and his 1,409 2/3 innings were the most logged by any AL center fielder.dont know about you, but i think that being .005 away from being perfect deserves some type of award.I meant more or less over Ichiro. I'd have gone Crisp, Hunter, and Sizemore... but I'd say, without hesitation, that Crisp was the best defensive player in the league. His defensive win share, and numbers in general, this year compare favorably to the best defensive fielders of this generations best seasons. Now, if you can say that .005 away from being perfect deserves an award, then I think you'd agree that .002 away deserves an award too, as Crisp's fielding percentage was a .998, with a pretty sizable advantage in his range factor over Sizemore.very vaild points.i was just being a homer anyways.(waiting on his Sizemore replica to come in) by RoscoeUA by gingerbreadman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinyHubCaps Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 How does Troy Tulowitzki NOT win the award at SS? He lead MLB short stops in every defensive category, and based on numbers, some scouts have said that the difference between Tulowitzki and the SECOND best shortstop is larger than the difference between the second and ninth best short stops.Youk deserved it at 1B... zero errors at first all year.Are you also a Rockies fan? How'd the World Series turn out for you, did you watch it? Being in Colorado and pro-Tulo and all...Maybe you have signatures (and avatars?) turned off...but ITE's a big 'ol Red Sox fan. So I'm pretty sure he was pretty damn happy with the outcome.Probably follows the Rockies living in Colorado and is therefore familar with them. Might even like them as a second team.He's right about Tulo even though Rollins is a good shortstop.Hence the "also a Rockies fan," I figured as much that he was a Red Sox fan based on his sig and avatar. It's not very often that someone's two favorite teams, the hometown pick and the pick of choice, face each other in the finals. I've never seen any Packers-Dolphins Super Bowls or Bucks-Spurs NBA Finals, so I was just thinking that would be cool for a hometown team and a team of choice to both win the conference/league.I saw SportsCenter's graphic that was surprisingly unbiased (for once) whereby they said that the Rockies had the highest fielding percentage in the history of ever, and they didn't have any golden glovers. I agree about Tulowitzki. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL FANATIC Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 My bad SHC.I guess I thought you were calling him out as a Rockies homer for say Tulo should have gotten it.In actuality, you were just asking him a kind of off-topic question.Whoops. JUSTIN STRIEBEL | PORTFOLIO | RESUME | CONTACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznit1083 Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 The problem with Crisp though, is his noodle arm. Amazing athlete, fantastic getting to the ball, but his throwing arm is his Achilles heal. I think Alex Rios should have won it. His problem is that he's not flashy. He's so fast and smooth getting to the ball, you don't even realize how good the guy is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
See Red Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 The problem with Crisp though, is his noodle arm. Amazing athlete, fantastic getting to the ball, but his throwing arm is his Achilles heal. I think Alex Rios should have won it. His problem is that he's not flashy. He's so fast and smooth getting to the ball, you don't even realize how good the guy is.Gold glove, not arm. It is true, though... his arm certainly isn't a strength but his range factor, fielding percentage, and defensive win share are entirely too good to be ignored, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolegboy Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 John McDonald should've won the AL SS GG -- I don't remember seeing a better defensive SS over the course of a season.You're serious about this?? Not even Omar Vizquel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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