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I have noticed that the so called "flex" schedule is not really giving us the best games on Sun night, like yesterday, we got CIN-PIT when we prob could of gotten IND-JAX and next week we get INDY-BAL when we can be getting PIT-NE, what is NBC's issue with not living up to what they said about worthwile games on sun night???

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New England has already had enough primetime games this season. Let some of the other teams have a chance. As for the Bengals- Steelers game it was actually the game that was originally scheduled for Sunday night. They didnt use the flex scheduling this week. Its also one of the biggest rivalries in the NFL. The Bengals- Steelers rivalry is actually bigger than the Bengals- Browns rivalry ever since that playoff game where Carson Palmer got hurt.

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To the topic starter - I'm guessing that since you live in Maine, you are going to get the Pats game no matter when it's on, correct? So, basically, you're complaining that your team isn't getting national attention, is that it?

As others have mentioned, there is a limit to how much a team can be seen in prime time (and, truthfully, I think 6 times out of a 16 game schedule is too much - I'm sick of the Pats already). Give someone else a chance.

I'm not a Vikings fan, but how about putting one of their games in prime-time, even if it's just to showcase Adrian Peterson (the only scheduled prime-time game for them is the Monday Nighter vs. the Bears Dec. 17)?

How about the Cards? They are playing good ball right now... Or Tampa Bay? How many folks outside their home markets have seen them play? Bottem line is that there are 34 prime-time games (not even including Thursday games), and somehow you think the Pats should be on every one. Give me a break...

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If the NFL is smart, and by most accounts it is, they would "flex" the NE game in week 17 from NFLN to NBC. I can't imagine them being dumb enough to let an historic game be broadcast to nobody simply to win a pissing contest with the cable companies.

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If the NFL is smart, and by most accounts it is, they would "flex" the NE game in week 17 from NFLN to NBC. I can't imagine them being dumb enough to let an historic game be broadcast to nobody simply to win a pissing contest with the cable companies.

Are you kidding? That's all the more reason FOR them to keep it on NFLN. It's a matter of leverage.

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If the NFL is smart, and by most accounts it is, they would "flex" the NE game in week 17 from NFLN to NBC. I can't imagine them being dumb enough to let an historic game be broadcast to nobody simply to win a pissing contest with the cable companies.

Are you kidding? That's all the more reason FOR them to keep it on NFLN. It's a matter of leverage.

Leverage that the cable companies won't give into simply for one game.

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If the NFL is smart, and by most accounts it is, they would "flex" the NE game in week 17 from NFLN to NBC. I can't imagine them being dumb enough to let an historic game be broadcast to nobody simply to win a pissing contest with the cable companies.

Are you kidding? That's all the more reason FOR them to keep it on NFLN. It's a matter of leverage.

Leverage that the cable companies won't give into simply for one game.

Exactly. Hopefully the cable companies aren't going to cave on subscriber rates that are not proportional to the product for what essentially boils down to 24 hours of programming. Other than 8 live games what does the NFL Network offer that makes it worth that much more than a bunch of cheaper networks?

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If the NFL is smart, and by most accounts it is, they would "flex" the NE game in week 17 from NFLN to NBC. I can't imagine them being dumb enough to let an historic game be broadcast to nobody simply to win a pissing contest with the cable companies.

IIRC, only games played on Sundays can be flexed. Games on the NFL Network and ESPN are automatically protected so teams don't have to change their preparations on short notice.

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If the NFL is smart, and by most accounts it is, they would "flex" the NE game in week 17 from NFLN to NBC. I can't imagine them being dumb enough to let an historic game be broadcast to nobody simply to win a pissing contest with the cable companies.

Are you kidding? That's all the more reason FOR them to keep it on NFLN. It's a matter of leverage.

Leverage that the cable companies won't give into simply for one game.

Exactly. Hopefully the cable companies aren't going to cave on subscriber rates that are not proportional to the product for what essentially boils down to 24 hours of programming. Other than 8 live games what does the NFL Network offer that makes it worth that much more than a bunch of cheaper networks?

Leverage that cable companies won't give into simply for one game... so in its first year there was one game, this year it's two... next year if things aren't settled it might be three or four.

I agree that NFLN isn't worth 70c a subscriber. But in this case fan outcry is EXACTLY what the NFL wants. They have a product that they've given customers a nearly insatiable appetite for, and the best way to maximize their revenue from that addiction is to WITHHOLD some of its best product - making it seem akin to forbidden fruit in a sense.

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If the NFL is smart, and by most accounts it is, they would "flex" the NE game in week 17 from NFLN to NBC. I can't imagine them being dumb enough to let an historic game be broadcast to nobody simply to win a pissing contest with the cable companies.

Are you kidding? That's all the more reason FOR them to keep it on NFLN. It's a matter of leverage.

Leverage that the cable companies won't give into simply for one game.

Exactly. Hopefully the cable companies aren't going to cave on subscriber rates that are not proportional to the product for what essentially boils down to 24 hours of programming. Other than 8 live games what does the NFL Network offer that makes it worth that much more than a bunch of cheaper networks?

I don't think the Cable Companies are going to give in they are the ones with all the power. People aren't going to switch to satellite just because of 8 out of market (remember the games are on free tv in the teams markets) NFL games per year most of which probably ends up being a crap game.

This whole things is the NFL's fault for thinking they could just demand being on basic cable without giving any incentives up. The NFL network could have already been on basic cable across the country if it were for the NFL's blunders. First off no big cable company is going to put the NFL Network on their system when the Sunday Ticket Package is Directv exclusive. If they would open up the package to cable they could bundle the NFL network with Sunday ticket and get the channel on basic. However because they gave it exclusively to Directv (at the same time the channel was launched) the cable companies have no incentive to pickup NFLN. These even doesn't touch the Comcast business where the league turned down Versus' offer for the game. By all accounts the TV cable business is a scratch each others back business and by not giving anything back in return for picking up NFL Network the NFL is left with it basically only on Directv and Dish with no one being able to watch the games because the Cable companies hold all the cards. This entire problem is the NFL's making and the NFL's only.

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If the NFL is smart, and by most accounts it is, they would "flex" the NE game in week 17 from NFLN to NBC. I can't imagine them being dumb enough to let an historic game be broadcast to nobody simply to win a pissing contest with the cable companies.

Are you kidding? That's all the more reason FOR them to keep it on NFLN. It's a matter of leverage.

Leverage that the cable companies won't give into simply for one game.

Exactly. Hopefully the cable companies aren't going to cave on subscriber rates that are not proportional to the product for what essentially boils down to 24 hours of programming. Other than 8 live games what does the NFL Network offer that makes it worth that much more than a bunch of cheaper networks?

Leverage that cable companies won't give into simply for one game... so in its first year there was one game, this year it's two... next year if things aren't settled it might be three or four.

I agree that NFLN isn't worth 70c a subscriber. But in this case fan outcry is EXACTLY what the NFL wants. They have a product that they've given customers a nearly insatiable appetite for, and the best way to maximize their revenue from that addiction is to WITHHOLD some of its best product - making it seem akin to forbidden fruit in a sense.

Fan outcry is what will happen, yes. But I think most of it will be directed towards the league and not toward the cable companies. This might be one of the very few cases where it appears that the cable companies are on the side of the consumers, even though both sides are really just out for themselves.

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To the topic starter - I'm guessing that since you live in Maine, you are going to get the Pats game no matter when it's on, correct? So, basically, you're complaining that your team isn't getting national attention, is that it?

As others have mentioned, there is a limit to how much a team can be seen in prime time (and, truthfully, I think 6 times out of a 16 game schedule is too much - I'm sick of the Pats already). Give someone else a chance.

I'm not a Vikings fan, but how about putting one of their games in prime-time, even if it's just to showcase Adrian Peterson (the only scheduled prime-time game for them is the Monday Nighter vs. the Bears Dec. 17)?

How about the Cards? They are playing good ball right now... Or Tampa Bay? How many folks outside their home markets have seen them play? Bottem line is that there are 34 prime-time games (not even including Thursday games), and somehow you think the Pats should be on every one. Give me a break...

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Give YOU a break excuse me??

Where did i EVER say that i was mad cause my team is not getting attention, please, i just want to see good games in primetime, and see other teams i dont normally see, like with all major sports, i want to see arizona, tennessee, minny, tb. Next time dont assume.............

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If the NFL is smart, and by most accounts it is, they would "flex" the NE game in week 17 from NFLN to NBC. I can't imagine them being dumb enough to let an historic game be broadcast to nobody simply to win a pissing contest with the cable companies.

Are you kidding? That's all the more reason FOR them to keep it on NFLN. It's a matter of leverage.

Leverage that the cable companies won't give into simply for one game.

Exactly. Hopefully the cable companies aren't going to cave on subscriber rates that are not proportional to the product for what essentially boils down to 24 hours of programming. Other than 8 live games what does the NFL Network offer that makes it worth that much more than a bunch of cheaper networks?

Leverage that cable companies won't give into simply for one game... so in its first year there was one game, this year it's two... next year if things aren't settled it might be three or four.

I agree that NFLN isn't worth 70c a subscriber. But in this case fan outcry is EXACTLY what the NFL wants. They have a product that they've given customers a nearly insatiable appetite for, and the best way to maximize their revenue from that addiction is to WITHHOLD some of its best product - making it seem akin to forbidden fruit in a sense.

Fan outcry is what will happen, yes. But I think most of it will be directed towards the league and not toward the cable companies. This might be one of the very few cases where it appears that the cable companies are on the side of the consumers, even though both sides are really just out for themselves.

Sure, but take a closer look at it:

- The league hears the gripes, which it then uses as ammo against the cable co's in negotiations. "You're subscribers are calling US complaining about why YOU don't have the games on."

- The league loses absolutely nothing from this. The lost audience is considered negligible compared to the overall NFL fan base, and not even those who are complaining about this little tiff are saying "I'll never watch another NFL game ever if they don't fix this."

- To repeat, the league loses absolutely nothing from this. The lost television audience isn't going to say, "We can't watch it on TV, let's drive to (insert home team's city here) and buy a ticket."

- And just in case it didn't sink in the first two times, the league loses absolutely nothing from this. The NFL Network wasn't set up to make money during its first five years, and while you hear Goodell talking about subscriber numbers not being where they wanted them, the NFL is thrilled with the channel's success thus far. They're more than willing to temporarily piss off a few, non-essential areas of their fan base and stick to their guns, knowing that eventually the cable companies will either cave, or negotiate with them to a per-subscriber cost level that gives the channel permanent profitability.

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This whole things is the NFL's fault for thinking they could just demand being on basic cable without giving any incentives up. The NFL network could have already been on basic cable across the country if it were for the NFL's blunders. First off no big cable company is going to put the NFL Network on their system when the Sunday Ticket Package is Directv exclusive. If they would open up the package to cable they could bundle the NFL network with Sunday ticket and get the channel on basic. However because they gave it exclusively to Directv (at the same time the channel was launched) the cable companies have no incentive to pickup NFLN. These even doesn't touch the Comcast business where the league turned down Versus' offer for the game. By all accounts the TV cable business is a scratch each others back business and by not giving anything back in return for picking up NFL Network the NFL is left with it basically only on Directv and Dish with no one being able to watch the games because the Cable companies hold all the cards. This entire problem is the NFL's making and the NFL's only.

The NFL is never going to put Sunday Ticket on cable, they are making way to much with bars and restaurants buying the package. If they put it on cable the ratings for the local games would go down and less people would go to bars and such to watch the games.

The NFL and Directv charges business based on the fire code occupancy of the establishment, here is what they charge.

101 to 200 - $2,349

201 to 350 - $3,329

350 to 500 - $3,669

501 to 750 - $4,069

751 to 1,000 - $5,209

1,001 to 1,501 - $8,129

1,501 to 2,000 - $10,429

2,001 to 5,000 - $18,899

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