BIGBAD Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 first bowl game of the year: the utah reciever stretches the ball as he is going out of bounds, he fumbles, the ball hits the pylon and goes outLou Holtz says that it should be ruled a touchback, and it would be good for college football if it is ruled a tbwell it was ruled utahs ball at the one, lucky for utahmichigan is going for a 2 touchdown lead of heavily favored florida, hart stretches the ball out and it is knocked loose, only his 3rd fumble all year, florida gets the ball and goes down and scores to tie the gamekansas running back mcanderson, as he is falling on his back, on first down, tries to stretch the ball across the line, it is knocked loose and kansas recovers at the 5, but gets a 15 yd penalty, is forced to throw, and throws an interception.had these guys not stretched they all woulkd have hand another play from the 1 yard lineif i was a coiach i would sit there buts if they were gonna do that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udubs03 Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 How many more touchdowns have been scored or first downs been gained as a result of stretching out with the ball? It's called effort, and a coach would be stupid to sit a player for trying his hardest to get the extra yard or the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGBAD Posted January 4, 2008 Author Share Posted January 4, 2008 its like going for it on 4th and shortyeah 80% of the time your gonna get 1 or 2 yardsbut coaches usually dont go for it because the risk outweighs the gainif the player is stretching on 3rd or 4th down for a first down okbut on first down or at the goal line the worst you will get is a field goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapshot Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 It's called forward progress for a reason. The point is to get as many yards as possible.Yes, the risk exists of fumbling or turnovers. But those exist on every play.The ball is spotted wherever it is when the ballcarrier is considered down. If stretching adds another foot to the spot, then it benefits the offense even more. Back-to-Back Fatal Forty Champion 2015 & 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac the Knife Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 It's called forward progress for a reason. The point is to get as many yards as possible.Yes, the risk exists of fumbling or turnovers. But those exist on every play.The ball is spotted wherever it is when the ballcarrier is considered down. If stretching adds another foot to the spot, then it benefits the offense even more.Absolutely. If I have someone whose ball-handling ability I had faith in (no perverted jokes there, please), I'd have him do it whenever it was called for - that stretch can in some cases add an extra 2, maybe even 3 feet in a carry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFoA Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 Agreed. I know that rule about forward progress came in handy in many a situation back when we had Vick's crazy scramblin' ass. I remember one situation in particular he basically knocked over the pylon with the ball, but fell out of bounds. It was ruled a touchdown, and I remember a certain Saints fan on this board coming on and whining about how that rule needed changing, IRRC. But yeah, the rule makes sense: Name of the game is forward progress, and if THE BALL crosses a certain line...then they should get their new set of downs or six points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tBBP Posted January 5, 2008 Share Posted January 5, 2008 Plus...how many football-themed movies have we seen in which a player was shown, mostly in slow motion, doing all he can to ssssttttttttrrrrreeeeeetttccchh out for each and every extra inch he can get?Pick a football movie...I betcha there's probably a sequence in which someone is seen ssssssttttttttrrrrrrreeeeeeeettttccccchhhiinnng himself thinking he Mr. Fantastic or something, doing all he can for them extra inches. *Disclaimer: I am not an authoritative expert on stuff...I just do a lot of reading and research and keep in close connect with a bunch of people who are authoritative experts on stuff. || dribbble || Behance || Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGBAD Posted January 6, 2008 Author Share Posted January 6, 2008 so the same thing just happpened in the steelers playoff gameand john madden said what a stupid thing that is to doso i may be the only one on this board that thinks thatbut i do have john madden and lou holtz agreeing with me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFoA Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Scroll down to see my reply! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFoA Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 but i do have john madden and lou holtz agreeing with meThat means alot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshawaggie Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 but i do have john madden and lou holtz agreeing with meThat means alot.Brett Favre would never stretch for extra yards and fumble. Especially if he was carrying a Turducken. @josh_j12 CFA- Fargo Bobcats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 but i do have john madden and lou holtz agreeing with meSo you have a guy who hasn't coached in nearly 30 years, and a half-senile old man agreeing with you. Nice.(and before you play the HOF card for Madden....he's in it for his video game, not because of what he did with the Raiders, regardless of what the NFL or the media says.) On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac the Knife Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 but i do have john madden and lou holtz agreeing with meSo you have a guy who hasn't coached in nearly 30 years, and a half-senile old man agreeing with you. Nice.(and before you play the HOF card for Madden....he's in it for his video game, not because of what he did with the Raiders, regardless of what the NFL or the media says.)Okay... I was with you right up to the HOF comment. You think John Madden's in the HOF because of a video game franchise? Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 but i do have john madden and lou holtz agreeing with meSo you have a guy who hasn't coached in nearly 30 years, and a half-senile old man agreeing with you. Nice.(and before you play the HOF card for Madden....he's in it for his video game, not because of what he did with the Raiders, regardless of what the NFL or the media says.)Okay... I was with you right up to the HOF comment. You think John Madden's in the HOF because of a video game franchise? Seriously?Video Game and announcing....Something tells me if his coaching career was actually HOF-worthy he would have gotten in prior to 2006. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy B Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 LT just stretched the ball across the goal line for a touchdown. If he didn't do that, it would be a one possession game and the Titans would have the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL FANATIC Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 LT just stretched the ball across the goal line for a touchdown. If he didn't do that, it would be a one possession game and the Titans would have the ball.Or if he hadn't been illegally pushed forward by his lineman...Sorry. Pet peeve of mine. Plus I'm rooting for Tennessee. Therefore...figure I'll bring it up a lot. JUSTIN STRIEBEL | PORTFOLIO | RESUME | CONTACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac the Knife Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 but i do have john madden and lou holtz agreeing with meSo you have a guy who hasn't coached in nearly 30 years, and a half-senile old man agreeing with you. Nice.(and before you play the HOF card for Madden....he's in it for his video game, not because of what he did with the Raiders, regardless of what the NFL or the media says.)Okay... I was with you right up to the HOF comment. You think John Madden's in the HOF because of a video game franchise? Seriously?Video Game and announcing....Something tells me if his coaching career was actually HOF-worthy he would have gotten in prior to 2006.Uh... how much exactly do you know about John Madden, the coach of the Oakland Raiders? My guess from your comments is, not a whole helluva lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 but i do have john madden and lou holtz agreeing with meSo you have a guy who hasn't coached in nearly 30 years, and a half-senile old man agreeing with you. Nice.(and before you play the HOF card for Madden....he's in it for his video game, not because of what he did with the Raiders, regardless of what the NFL or the media says.)Okay... I was with you right up to the HOF comment. You think John Madden's in the HOF because of a video game franchise? Seriously?Video Game and announcing....Something tells me if his coaching career was actually HOF-worthy he would have gotten in prior to 2006.Uh... how much exactly do you know about John Madden, the coach of the Oakland Raiders? My guess from your comments is, not a whole helluva lot. Regardless of how good the Raiders were in the Regular Season...he only coached for ten years, and only won one Super Bowl. If he had coached longer and still encountered that success, or had won more championships, I would feel differently. He was a good coach, but his coaching career isn't necessary HOF-worthy. The fact he didn't get in until 2006, well after he had established a different legacy and done more for the league as a builder and an ambassador, tends to lend credence to this thought.What he's done for the game since then....that's HOF-worthy, though. Coaching? I'm not sure you can make a "Gale Sayers" argument for coaching.EDIT-What I'm trying to say is that while the NFL is too pompous to admit that giving your name to a very popular video game franchise that also bolstered the NFL's popularity over the last generation, in addition to being one of its most recognizable voices, qualifies you as a "builder", that's what he's in for...he's a "builder". On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAD! Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Regardless of how good the Raiders were in the Regular Season...he only coached for ten years, and only won one Super Bowl. If he had coached longer and still encountered that success, or had won more championships, I would feel differently. He was a good coach, but his coaching career isn't necessary HOF-worthy. The fact he didn't get in until 2006, well after he had established a different legacy and done more for the league as a builder and an ambassador, tends to lend credence to this thought.Maybe ONLY one Super Bowl, but his record was very good in those ten years, 112-39-7. Maybe had Otto Graham and Jim Brown played ten seasons.... uhh... never mind I saw, I came, I left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Regardless of how good the Raiders were in the Regular Season...he only coached for ten years, and only won one Super Bowl. If he had coached longer and still encountered that success, or had won more championships, I would feel differently. He was a good coach, but his coaching career isn't necessary HOF-worthy. The fact he didn't get in until 2006, well after he had established a different legacy and done more for the league as a builder and an ambassador, tends to lend credence to this thought.Maybe ONLY one Super Bowl, but his record was very good in those ten years, 112-39-7. Maybe had Otto Graham and Jim Brown played ten seasons.... uhh... never mindMaybe that record was partly the result of the talent on his roster....I'm looking at it and see 6-7 Hall of Famers playing for him, as well as several other good players.The reason I say, "If he coached longer", is because we don't know what he would have done with a less-talented roster. If he had coached longer, that would likely be the case. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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