rams80 Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 As a more practical matter, will Quebec ever bring more to the table than a full arena? There is more to determining the worthiness of a market than attendance.Gotta throw that in there now since the Blues finished dead last in attendance last year, eh?St. Louisans are bandwagoners, and I have never really gone out of my way to defend my fellow fans of St. Louis sports teams.Of course, some of us fans of St. Louis teams don't feel inclined to give money to an organization that 1) followed up a canceled season with a massive fire sale, 2) played poorly for two years because of an impending sale, and 3) traded away the defense while the team was still very much in the playoff hunt for "a retarded ogre on skates". Good point, but when Expos fans did the same thing, well, you know the rest of the story.St. Louis will lose its football team first. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenatorJake Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 If attendance is not key... how about television profits? Isn't it true that all 6 canadian teams account for a third of the revenue of the NHL? I mean what channel is hockey on in the States? Versus and the local Fox Sports stations? NBC barely airs any games. Let's compare that to the CBC which airs 2 or 3 games every Saturday and to Sportsnet, TSN & RDS who play hockey pretty much nightly. It would seem to me like Bettman will get canned before the NHL folds and the next guy in there can't be half the idiot he is. Hockey MUST eventually move back to Canada if it wants to survive. Some of these american teams are just hemorraging money, expanding the NHL to non-viable markets was a stupid move that eventually will have to be fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAD! Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 Hockey MUST eventually move back to Canada if it wants to survive.When did hockey move away from Canada? I saw, I came, I left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenatorJake Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 Hockey MUST eventually move back to Canada if it wants to survive.When did hockey move away from Canada? Mid 90's, when a quarter of our teams moved away down south and Fox introduced the dreaded glow-puck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 Hockey MUST eventually move back to Canada if it wants to survive.When did hockey move away from Canada? Mid 90's, when a quarter of our teams moved away down south and Fox introduced the dreaded glow-puck.That implies that 3/4s of your teams are still in place, and anyway this "glow puck" of which you speak doesn't exist anymore. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenatorJake Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 Hockey MUST eventually move back to Canada if it wants to survive.When did hockey move away from Canada? Mid 90's, when a quarter of our teams moved away down south and Fox introduced the dreaded glow-puck.That implies that 3/4s of your teams are still in place, and anyway this "glow puck" of which you speak doesn't exist anymore.Yeah but Canada ( which has always supported the NHL, through thick & through thin) lost teams, while the league continued to expand. In Canada, we call that Bull---- well you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JQK Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 Hockey MUST eventually move back to Canada if it wants to survive.So hockey must move back to markets that could not compete financially, in order for the league to survive?Flawless logic. Stay Tuned Sports Podcast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenatorJake Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 Hockey MUST eventually move back to Canada if it wants to survive.So hockey must move back to markets that could not compete financially, in order for the league to survive?Flawless logic.That was back when our dollar was worth 60 cents american... alot has changed since then.I say this again: Isn't it true that all 6 canadian teams account for a third of the revenue of the NHL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youcan'tseeme Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 Hockey MUST eventually move back to Canada if it wants to survive.When did hockey move away from Canada? Mid 90's, when a quarter of our teams moved away down south and Fox introduced the dreaded glow-puck.That implies that 3/4s of your teams are still in place, and anyway this "glow puck" of which you speak doesn't exist anymore.Yeah but Canada ( which has always supported the NHL, through thick & through thin) lost teams, while the league continued to expand. In Canada, we call that Bull---- well you know.Through thick and thin? I'm all for more teams based in Canada but if that's the case how come Ottawa filed for bankruptcy a few years back? Surely a supported team wouldn't need to take such dramatic actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenatorJake Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 Yeah, but Ottawa is in great shape now... it's one of the 10 most profitable teams in the NHL. Not bad for a metro area of about one million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 Yeah, but Ottawa is in great shape now... it's one of the 10 most profitable teams in the NHL. Not bad for a metro area of about one million.It helps when you own your own arena. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenatorJake Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 Yeah... I gotta say that does help. Listen, I think canadian expansion or relocation is an eventuality, Bettman himself has even said that the NHL is interested in returning to Winnipeg under this much stronger canadian dollar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodboy13 Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 I've made this argument before, and it looks like it needs to be said again: If Canadian teams are really carrying the NHL on their backs, and supporting all of these floundering American franchises, the Canadian teams should splinter off and form their own major professional league. Start with your new original six, then add Winnipeg, Quebec, Hamilton, Halifax, Moose Jaw, put a second team in Toronto and Montreal, put a franchise in any city you want where the "real" fans of hockey will pack the house every night. Compete head-to-head against an American circuit of 18-20 teams, while never having to lower yourselves to play any games against those dirty, money-sucking, tradition-diluting teams from the hee-haw states. Compete with those no-good American clubs during the off-season for the rights to the world's top talent, and the right to brand yourself the world's premier professional hockey league.Then, in 10 to 15 years, watch both leagues drown in a sea of red ink, watch HNIC's marquee matchup between Oshawa and Peterborough on a Saturday night, and watch the best players in the sport on a nightly basis take the ice in the Swedish, Russian, and German Elite Leagues with your satellite subscription to Setanta Sports. On 1/25/2013 at 1:53 PM, 'Atom said: For all the bird de lis haters I think the bird de lis isnt supposed to be a pelican and a fleur de lis I think its just a fleur de lis with a pelicans head. Thats what it looks like to me. Also the flair around the tip of the beak is just flair that fleur de lis have sometimes source I am from NOLA. PotD: 10/19/07, 08/25/08, 07/22/10, 08/13/10, 04/15/11, 05/19/11, 01/02/12, and 01/05/12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenatorJake Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 That's a little extreme... I mean couldn't we have just 2 more teams... is that really asking so much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbreadmann Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 Whaddya think, that Nashville and Florida are gonna stick around forever with attendance hovering somewhere around 12000?14,910 and 15,436 respectively, but thanks for playing. That second number, by the way, is just ahead of the Boston Bruins.LOL. Sorry, I got a kick out of that. 26th! Woo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 Yeah... I gotta say that does help. Listen, I think canadian expansion or relocation is an eventuality, Bettman himself has even said that the NHL is interested in returning to Winnipeg under this much stronger canadian dollar.When they do, just don't expect the Jets as the name of the Club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodboy13 Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 That's a little extreme... I mean couldn't we have just 2 more teams... is that really asking so much?You have one NHL team for every 5.5 million people in your country. We have one for every 10.7 million people in ours. Based on that, I'd say you're getting your fair share, at least.Now listen, I'd love to see the Whalers come back to Hartford. But it's not going to happen. Times change, the economics of sports change, and just because I want my team back doesn't mean I'm going to embark on some foolhardy crusade to return them to their "rightful place," while displaying a petulant sense of entitlement all the while. It's not 1996 anymore, plain and simple. On 1/25/2013 at 1:53 PM, 'Atom said: For all the bird de lis haters I think the bird de lis isnt supposed to be a pelican and a fleur de lis I think its just a fleur de lis with a pelicans head. Thats what it looks like to me. Also the flair around the tip of the beak is just flair that fleur de lis have sometimes source I am from NOLA. PotD: 10/19/07, 08/25/08, 07/22/10, 08/13/10, 04/15/11, 05/19/11, 01/02/12, and 01/05/12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenatorJake Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 Yeah... I gotta say that does help. Listen, I think canadian expansion or relocation is an eventuality, Bettman himself has even said that the NHL is interested in returning to Winnipeg under this much stronger canadian dollar.When they do, just don't expect the Jets as the name of the ClubWhy not? Who owns the name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenatorJake Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 That's a little extreme... I mean couldn't we have just 2 more teams... is that really asking so much?You have one NHL team for every 5.5 million people in your country. We have one for every 10.7 million people in ours. Based on that, I'd say you're getting your fair share, at least.Now listen, I'd love to see the Whalers come back to Hartford. But it's not going to happen. Times change, the economics of sports change, and just because I want my team back doesn't mean I'm going to embark on some foolhardy crusade to return them to their "rightful place," while displaying a petulant sense of entitlement all the while. It's not 1996 anymore, plain and simple.Those 5.5 million people are much more likely to buy season tickets than 10.7 million americans... I'd even put them up against 30 million americans. The NHL on NBC is one of the lowest rated shows in prime time history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred T. Jane Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 Through thick and thin? I'm all for more teams based in Canada but if that's the case how come Ottawa filed for bankruptcy a few years back? Surely a supported team wouldn't need to take such dramatic actions.Ottawa filed for bankruptcy not because of a lack of local support, but rather Bruce Firestone's insipid financial planning when he got the club. After all, he had to borrow 100% of the expansion fee and even began the Palladi...er Corel Cen... er ScotiaBank Place without the finances being 100% in place. They were in trouble even before Rod Bryden began trying to get someone to pay the bills for him in late 2002. [Croatia National Team Manager Slavan] Bilic then went on to explain how Croatia's success can partially be put down to his progressive man-management techniques. "Sometimes I lie in the bed with my players. I go to the room of Vedran Corluka and Luka Modric when I see they have a problem and I lie in bed with them and we talk for 10 minutes." Maybe Capello could try getting through to his players this way too? Although how far he'd get with Joe Cole jumping up and down on the mattress and Rooney demanding to be read his favourite page from The Very Hungry Caterpillar is open to question. --The Guardian's Fiver, 08 September 2008 Attention: In order to obtain maximum enjoyment from your stay at the CCSLC, the reader is advised that the above post may contain large amounts of sarcasm, dry humour, or statements which should not be taken in any true sort of seriousness. As a result, the above poster absolves himself of any and all blame in the event that a forum user responds to the aforementioned post without taking the previous notice into account. Thank you for your cooperation, and enjoy your stay at the CCSLC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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