Epiphanic Posted December 25, 2008 Share Posted December 25, 2008 We need a :sarcasm: emoticon.I believe is the officially-sanctioned, Unofficial Sarcasm Emoticon of the CCSLC. "In the arena of logic, I fight unarmed."I tweet & tumble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted December 25, 2008 Share Posted December 25, 2008 All your observations about Tex, prove my point, he's a great player, but he ain't taking the Yankees anywhere. You can't ride his back. And guess what, it's not offense that wins World Series, it's pitching and if you think the Yankees have anything of a rotation, then you're wrong. They don't scare anyone. It's Sabathia and no one else.Alright, I agree you can discount Burnett as a big time starter, but Sabathia and Wang have the potential to be one of the best 1-2 starter duos in the league. All the Yankee haters out there need to get their heads out of their asses and see that the Yankees have one of the most talented teams, including starting rotation, in baseball. The success of the team is yet to be seen but they sure do have great potential to play great baseball this upcoming season.And they have for the past few years -- every year they make an acquisition that makes them the favorites to win it all. The problem with your great 1-2 is that neither of them have proven particularly capable of pitching well in the playoffs, and it remains to be seen if Joba can be a starter. Jeter's not getting any younger, and the more his bat regresses the more he becomes completely useless since he's very easily the worst defensive SS in the league. A-Rod, as I mentioned in the other thread, is allergic to clutch hits. One of these years Mo is going to lose it, and outside of him their bullpen is very unimpressive. And I'm too terribly impressed with their outfield.I'd take a healthy Beckett, Lester, and Dice-K over Sabathia, Wang, and Burnett, especially come October.And last year, despite Papi, JD Drew, Lowell, and others missing considerable amounts of time, and Varitek being god-awful, the Sox were still third in the league in runs scored and 60 or so runs better than the Yankees. And though I do expect their bullpen to come back down to earth, the Rays will be tough as well. So they're hardly a shoo-in to even make the playoffs.And you know what? The Red Sox or Rays don't win the World Series... not the end of the world. The Yankees don't win the World Series? They're the biggest laughing stock in sports....or in comes Holliday. (Yikes)No chance. Theres no way anyone is gonna be able to match the amount of money Oakland is gonna toss his way. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted December 25, 2008 Share Posted December 25, 2008 I hate "intangibles," in case you can't tell by now.Let's take the Rays, for example. They made it as far as they did because nobody on that team thought they were better than the others. They were all friends, they were having fun. They were giving each other f'n mohawks.They made it as far as they did because they're insanely talented baseball players! Not because they were having fun and playing makeover! Ugh!So are the Yankees, did they make the playoffs?The Rays were better than the Yankees. They had better pitching than the Yankees. It has nothing to do with mohawks and everything to do with talent.But the Rays don't have any money. How could they possibly be better than the Yankees? It just doesn't add up.They flat out had better pitching last year. I don't think that's even debatable. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottysprings Posted December 25, 2008 Share Posted December 25, 2008 And they have for the past few years -- every year they make an acquisition that makes them the favorites to win it all. The problem with your great 1-2 is that neither of them have proven particularly capable of pitching well in the playoffs, and it remains to be seen if Joba can be a starter. Jeter's not getting any younger, and the more his bat regresses the more he becomes completely useless since he's very easily the worst defensive SS in the league. A-Rod, as I mentioned in the other thread, is allergic to clutch hits. One of these years Mo is going to lose it, and outside of him their bullpen is very unimpressive. And I'm too terribly impressed with their outfield.I'd take a healthy Beckett, Lester, and Dice-K over Sabathia, Wang, and Burnett, especially come October.And last year, despite Papi, JD Drew, Lowell, and others missing considerable amounts of time, and Varitek being god-awful, the Sox were still third in the league in runs scored and 60 or so runs better than the Yankees. And though I do expect their bullpen to come back down to earth, the Rays will be tough as well. So they're hardly a shoo-in to even make the playoffs.And you know what? The Red Sox or Rays don't win the World Series... not the end of the world. The Yankees don't win the World Series? They're the biggest laughing stock in sports.As much as they frustrate me I agree with many of your points, but there are plenty of people who are acting like the Yankees won't have any chance this year based on their MO the past 3 or four seasons. Maybe in the past the Yankees picked up one or two guys in the offseason. This year, so far, they've locked up Sabathia, Burnett, and Teixiera, which in my eyes instantly makes the team a hell of a lot better in many ways. Add to that Wang, one of the best pitchers in the AL, a solid comeback year from Jorge, and hopefully a rebound year out of Cano and Swisher, I think the Yankees have every opportunity go to playoffs and beyond. If and when they get there, who knows how they will do, but I honestly feel the Yankees will be a different team than they have the past three or four years come 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
See Red Posted December 25, 2008 Share Posted December 25, 2008 And they have for the past few years -- every year they make an acquisition that makes them the favorites to win it all. The problem with your great 1-2 is that neither of them have proven particularly capable of pitching well in the playoffs, and it remains to be seen if Joba can be a starter. Jeter's not getting any younger, and the more his bat regresses the more he becomes completely useless since he's very easily the worst defensive SS in the league. A-Rod, as I mentioned in the other thread, is allergic to clutch hits. One of these years Mo is going to lose it, and outside of him their bullpen is very unimpressive. And I'm not too terribly impressed with their outfield.I'd take a healthy Beckett, Lester, and Dice-K over Sabathia, Wang, and Burnett, especially come October.And last year, despite Papi, JD Drew, Lowell, and others missing considerable amounts of time, and Varitek being god-awful, the Sox were still third in the league in runs scored and 60 or so runs better than the Yankees. And though I do expect their bullpen to come back down to earth, the Rays will be tough as well. So they're hardly a shoo-in to even make the playoffs.And you know what? The Red Sox or Rays don't win the World Series... not the end of the world. The Yankees don't win the World Series? They're the biggest laughing stock in sports.As much as they frustrate me I agree with many of your points, but there are plenty of people who are acting like the Yankees won't have any chance this year based on their MO the past 3 or four seasons. Maybe in the past the Yankees picked up one or two guys in the offseason. This year, so far, they've locked up Sabathia, Burnett, and Teixiera, which in my eyes instantly makes the team a hell of a lot better in many ways. Add to that Wang, one of the best pitchers in the AL, a solid comeback year from Jorge, and hopefully a rebound year out of Cano and Swisher, I think the Yankees have every opportunity go to playoffs and beyond. If and when they get there, who knows how they will do, but I honestly feel the Yankees will be a different team than they have the past three or four years come 2009.Fair enough. We'll see.I just tend to think that the spend, spend, spend philosophy is one that doesn't work -- it's been proven by every team that's tried it. The one potential example of it being successful is the 2007 Red Sox, and I think I showed in the other thread why they really don't even count as an example of it, as their money was mostly tied up in retaining players.All they did was go out, overpay, and buy the shiniest toys on the market -- the same as they did back in the day with Giambi, Johnny Damon, etc. Besides, if it works, oh well, everybody's just going to discount their accomplishment anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJMorris3 Posted December 25, 2008 Share Posted December 25, 2008 Okay, we definitely need a salary cap. Maybe a hard one of, say, $10M? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
See Red Posted December 25, 2008 Share Posted December 25, 2008 Okay, we definitely need a salary cap. Maybe a hard one of, say, $10M?The players union would love that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budbowl77 Posted December 25, 2008 Share Posted December 25, 2008 And they have for the past few years -- every year they make an acquisition that makes them the favorites to win it all. The problem with your great 1-2 is that neither of them have proven particularly capable of pitching well in the playoffs, and it remains to be seen if Joba can be a starter. Jeter's not getting any younger, and the more his bat regresses the more he becomes completely useless since he's very easily the worst defensive SS in the league. A-Rod, as I mentioned in the other thread, is allergic to clutch hits. One of these years Mo is going to lose it, and outside of him their bullpen is very unimpressive. And I'm not too terribly impressed with their outfield.I'd take a healthy Beckett, Lester, and Dice-K over Sabathia, Wang, and Burnett, especially come October.And last year, despite Papi, JD Drew, Lowell, and others missing considerable amounts of time, and Varitek being god-awful, the Sox were still third in the league in runs scored and 60 or so runs better than the Yankees. And though I do expect their bullpen to come back down to earth, the Rays will be tough as well. So they're hardly a shoo-in to even make the playoffs.And you know what? The Red Sox or Rays don't win the World Series... not the end of the world. The Yankees don't win the World Series? They're the biggest laughing stock in sports.As much as they frustrate me I agree with many of your points, but there are plenty of people who are acting like the Yankees won't have any chance this year based on their MO the past 3 or four seasons. Maybe in the past the Yankees picked up one or two guys in the offseason. This year, so far, they've locked up Sabathia, Burnett, and Teixiera, which in my eyes instantly makes the team a hell of a lot better in many ways. Add to that Wang, one of the best pitchers in the AL, a solid comeback year from Jorge, and hopefully a rebound year out of Cano and Swisher, I think the Yankees have every opportunity go to playoffs and beyond. If and when they get there, who knows how they will do, but I honestly feel the Yankees will be a different team than they have the past three or four years come 2009.Fair enough. We'll see.I just tend to think that the spend, spend, spend philosophy is one that doesn't work -- it's been proven by every team that's tried it. The one potential example of it being successful is the 2007 Red Sox, and I think I showed in the other thread why they really don't even count as an example of it, as their money was mostly tied up in retaining players.All they did was go out, overpay, and buy the shiniest toys on the market -- the same as they did back in the day with Giambi, Johnny Damon, etc. Besides, if it works, oh well, everybody's just going to discount their accomplishment anyway. The Boston Red Sox are no better than the Yankees. they do a pretty damned good job going on and spending a ton a money. I don't get it..Its called Free Agency period. Thats the time when teams can go out and sign players. Don't get pissed at the Stienbrenners because your team won't put up the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HedleyLamarr Posted December 25, 2008 Share Posted December 25, 2008 Okay, we definitely need a salary cap.Why? If the Yankees can spend over $200 million in payroll and still turn a profit, why shouldn't they be able to spend as much as they want?The Rays have shown that you can spend under $50 million to field a World Series team, and there are other teams in other sports who have shown they don't have to spend to the max to have a competitive and winning team. It's the Royals' and Pirates' and other team's jobs to go find these good baseball players across the world.As long as teams aren't spending themselves into bankruptcy, they should be allowed to spend as much or as little as they choose to.Life isn't always fair..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maz Posted December 25, 2008 Share Posted December 25, 2008 Fan of the Pittsburgh ( ty management claims "small market sydrome") Pirates does not approve of the Yankees' epic spendage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tp49 Posted December 25, 2008 Share Posted December 25, 2008 Fan of the Pittsburgh ( ty management claims "small market sydrome") Pirates does not approve of the Yankees' epic spendage.Pittsburgh's management is so bad they don't even do player development well. Too bad for a once proud team. At least the fans are showing their displeasure by not showing up. Too bad management hasn't gotten the message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJMorris3 Posted December 25, 2008 Share Posted December 25, 2008 Okay, we definitely need a salary cap. Maybe a hard one of, say, $10M?The players union would love that.They can take it or leave it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 No thanks, I like watching baseball. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseballking99 Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 Okay, we definitely need a salary cap. Maybe a hard one of, say, $10M?Yeah thats a strike waiting to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 No thanks, one major work stoppage is enough for a century or so. No reason to deliberately antagonize the union, unless you just like making trouble.I have no problem with instituting a salary cap, but it ought to be realistic. You're missing a zero on yours. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJMorris3 Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 No thanks, one major work stoppage is enough for a century or so. No reason to deliberately antagonize the union, unless you just like making trouble.I have no problem with instituting a salary cap, but it ought to be realistic. You're missing a zero on yours.But if you make the cap $100M, that's implying a $4M average per ballplayer. No, $10M is realistic. While I don't like the average player making as much as the President, I realize I can't cut it further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJBerthiaume Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 The Yankees sure make other teams feel better when they spend all this money and still lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashcarson15 Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 We need a :sarcasm: emoticon.I believe is the officially-sanctioned, Unofficial Sarcasm Emoticon of the CCSLC.Thanks for that. The Nationals, Padres, Pirates, and Reds will make the playoffs in the NL, while the Royals, Mariners, Orioles, and Athletics will make the playoffs in the AL with the Nationals beating the Mariners in the World Series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raysox Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 When will the Yankees learn....Team chemistry is the tool to winning games. I learned that this season with the Rays. I can't wait till we get to play them this year. @MichaelDanger19 | Dribbble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 When will the Yankees learn....Team chemistry is the tool to winning games. I learned that this season with the Rays. I can't wait till we get to play them this year. I thought better pitching was the tool to that. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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