TFoA Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Honestly, I think the Lions maybe could have just further crippled the franchise for another 5-10 years. Here is the big problem, even with a 6 game improvement they are likely to have a top 10 pick next year. Next year has a better, deeper QB class by all accounts. The Lions aren't going to be in a position to upgrade at QB even if they have the number 1 pick next year. They could easily have picked up at offensive lineman, upgraded at that position and sat and waited for a QB next year. You say a QB is worth the risk. Well lets look at teams who have picked QBs number 1 recently. Jamarcus Russell- Jury still out, Raiders do however pick up a veteran QB in 2009 in Garcia. Alex Smith- 49ers looking for a QB still- BustEli Manning- picked by Chargers, traded for Rivers, doing ok. But in an unusually good team for a team with the number 1 pick. And Manning has hardly convinced in NY despite a Superbowl MVP. But benefit of the doubt to both teams here.Carson Palmer- great QB, but Bengals not making huge progress even behind one of the best under center in the league. David Carr- Big time bust, at least partly because of a lack of protection.Michael Vick- Tough one here, but it does seem as if the Falcons could only take a step forward after getting rid of Vick.Tom Couch- Bust.So over the last 10 years teams picking a QB with the number 1 overall pick have used that positively to push the franchise forward possibly 1 out of 7 times. Are those great odds? The last unadulterated success as QB picked first overall is Peyton Manning, and even he has only one 1 superbowl despite his undoubted talent. Bottom line- signing a QB as first overally takes a whole lot of resources away from other positions on a roster. The gamble is huge. Don't get me wrong I am not writing off Stafford, who may well turn into a decent NFL QB, but are the Lions getting value for money out of him, and moving the franchise forward? I am not at all convinced.A lot of people say that Vick to the Falcons/Tomlinson to the Chargers was a huge steal for the Chargers. I have to disagree. The Vick pickup worked out wonderfully at the time. Both pick ups helped to drastically increase the value of each respected franchise a TON.Exactly. People forget, Vick led his team to a deep playoff run much earlier than LT did. Vick definitely had the advantage on-the-field until Vick's off-the-field antics and bad coaching finally caught up to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJ Sands Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Honestly, I think the Lions maybe could have just further crippled the franchise for another 5-10 years. Here is the big problem, even with a 6 game improvement they are likely to have a top 10 pick next year. Next year has a better, deeper QB class by all accounts. The Lions aren't going to be in a position to upgrade at QB even if they have the number 1 pick next year. They could easily have picked up at offensive lineman, upgraded at that position and sat and waited for a QB next year. You say a QB is worth the risk. Well lets look at teams who have picked QBs number 1 recently. Jamarcus Russell- Jury still out, Raiders do however pick up a veteran QB in 2009 in Garcia. Alex Smith- 49ers looking for a QB still- BustEli Manning- picked by Chargers, traded for Rivers, doing ok. But in an unusually good team for a team with the number 1 pick. And Manning has hardly convinced in NY despite a Superbowl MVP. But benefit of the doubt to both teams here.Carson Palmer- great QB, but Bengals not making huge progress even behind one of the best under center in the league. David Carr- Big time bust, at least partly because of a lack of protection.Michael Vick- Tough one here, but it does seem as if the Falcons could only take a step forward after getting rid of Vick.Tom Couch- Bust.So over the last 10 years teams picking a QB with the number 1 overall pick have used that positively to push the franchise forward possibly 1 out of 7 times. Are those great odds? The last unadulterated success as QB picked first overall is Peyton Manning, and even he has only one 1 superbowl despite his undoubted talent. Bottom line- signing a QB as first overally takes a whole lot of resources away from other positions on a roster. The gamble is huge. Don't get me wrong I am not writing off Stafford, who may well turn into a decent NFL QB, but are the Lions getting value for money out of him, and moving the franchise forward? I am not at all convinced.I don't mean to sound like Mel Kiper Jr. (who's actually a really nice guy), but if you have the chance to draft a player you think is a franchise quarterback, you do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted April 25, 2009 Author Share Posted April 25, 2009 Well...I'm all for protecting Marc Bulger. It's good to see the Rams are too with Jason Smith. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy! Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Aaron Curry...good pick. I was worried Seattle would draft Sanchez. "I secretly hope people like that hydroplane into a wall." - Dennis "Big Sexy" Ittner POTD - 7/3/14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarrDogg Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Jets trade up to 5 to get Sanchez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted April 25, 2009 Author Share Posted April 25, 2009 Nope...New York at 5 On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarrDogg Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 love the shot of the Jets fan screaming "horrible" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burgundy Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 THANK YOU JETS! HA! Snyder's been foiled! YAY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigga Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Obviously, Mangini doesn't have hard feelings, huh? LOLAnd the sound you just heard was the Redskins War Room imploding. On January 16, 2013 at 3:49 PM, NJTank said: Btw this is old hat for Notre Dame. Knits Rockne made up George Tip's death bed speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 WOO HOO! SNYDER FAILS AGAIN! "I don't understand where you got this idea so deeply ingrained in your head (that this world) is something that you must impress, cause I couldn't care less"http://keepdcunited.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burgundy Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Obviously, Mangini doesn't have hard feelings, huh? LOLAnd the sound you just heard was the Redskins War Room imploding.And simultaneously, Redskins fans cheering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarrDogg Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 problem child Andre Smith goes to the Bunguls.The Raiders are up next. Let's see if they screw up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigga Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Anyone know the terms of the trade? On January 16, 2013 at 3:49 PM, NJTank said: Btw this is old hat for Notre Dame. Knits Rockne made up George Tip's death bed speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 I do wish Joey Harrington Michael Stafford well....Matthew.And for the record: As a Jets fan, I will boo if New York goes overboard just to get Mark Sanchez. Ready to boo? www.sportsecyclopedia.com For the best in sports history go to the Sports E-Cyclopedia at http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarrDogg Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 and the Raiders take Heyward-Bey. Poor old Crypt Keeper Al Davis is still in love with speed.Welcome to Jacksonville Michael Crabtree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted April 25, 2009 Author Share Posted April 25, 2009 and the Raiders take Heyward-Bey.I loved his "Oh " face. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 And that is why the Raiders are a joke www.sportsecyclopedia.com For the best in sports history go to the Sports E-Cyclopedia at http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigga Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Holy ! That's why they're the Raiders.They should have drafted a new owner with that pick. On January 16, 2013 at 3:49 PM, NJTank said: Btw this is old hat for Notre Dame. Knits Rockne made up George Tip's death bed speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFoA Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 LOL @ THE RAIDERSThey passed up Crabtree for Heyward-Bey, simply because Heyward-Bey had the fastest 40 in the combine. That's definitely the case since they have done this every time that they've drafted a WR or RB. Hilarious. Enjoy your continued futility, Oakland Raiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarrDogg Posted April 25, 2009 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Quick Prediction:Jacksonville nabs MonroeGreen Bay nabs RajiSan Francisco nabs Crabtree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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