Manny tests positive

[BJ Sands]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4148907

Of course, Peter Gammons gets it wrong:

However, two sources told ESPN's T.J. Quinn and Mark Fainaru-Wada that the drug used by Ramirez is hCG -- human chorionic gonadotropin. HCG is a women's fertility drug typically used by steroid users to restart their body's natural testosterone production as they come off a steroid cycle. It is similar to Clomid, the drug Bonds, Giambi and others used as clients of BALCO.

[tohasbo]

Idiot. Way to go Manny.

[Audiodrama]

Oh, he tested positive, all right...for a sexual enhancer.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ys-r...o&type=lgns

Apparently his Mannywood's gone a little soft.

[WJMorris3]

I still think that MLB should go to the Olympic standard - two-year ban on the first offense, lifetime on the second. Now, they'll never do this, but it's wishful thinking - it'd clean the game up in a hurry.

[raysox]

wow. I bet the Dodgers lose tonight too.

hehehe. Mannywood.

[DEAD!]

Oh, he tested positive, all right...for a sexual enhancer.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ys-r...o&type=lgns

Apparently his Mannywood's gone a little soft.

Well, he's no Big Unit....

[Drew22]

Really Manny? Really?

[Gothamite]

Jesus, when will these morons learn that you don't take anything you didn't get from a team doctor?

[FiddySicks]

HA!

Now Dodger fans can STFU about star players being juiced.

[patsox]

It's just Manny bein' Manny man. He's great man...

[oddball]

First of all, we don't know all the information on this. He tested positive in Spring Training, and if he was taking a drug let's say for sexual enhancement and it was out of season, he had no ties to any team or to any team doctors to check with. Does that mean he's not responsible? No. He is. It doesn't bother me, because unlike some of the other jokers, Sammy, McGuire, A-Rod, and Raffy, he came out and appoligized. Whatever it was, he made a stupid decision, now let's move on.

As much as you want to blame Manny, and he is wrong for whatever it was, this proves that baseball is run by an idiot, Bud Selig. 50 games for first offense? 100 for second? Really? Is that it? How about a year suspension for first offense and permanent ban for second and with that second offense you are stricken from baseball records. Your stats are removed and if you were in the Hall of Fame, your bust is removed. If you take Mark McGuire, etc. out of the record books, that has more meat along with a first time season long ban and second time complete ban than what is now.

[Drew22]

He's a lover, not a fielder.

[FiddySicks]

First of all, we don't know all the information on this. He tested positive in Spring Training, and if he was taking a drug let's say for sexual enhancement and it was out of season, he had no ties to any team or to any team doctors to check with. Does that mean he's not responsible? No. He is. It doesn't bother me, because unlike some of the other jokers, Sammy, McGuire, A-Rod, and Raffy, he came out and appoligized. Whatever it was, he made a stupid decision, now let's move on.

As much as you want to blame Manny, and he is wrong for whatever it was, this proves that baseball is run by an idiot, Bud Selig. 50 games for first offense? 100 for second? Really? Is that it? How about a year suspension for first offense and permanent ban for second and with that second offense you are stricken from baseball records. Your stats are removed and if you were in the Hall of Fame, your bust is removed. If you take Mark McGuire, etc. out of the record books, that has more meat along with a first time season long ban and second time complete ban than what is now.

Honestly to me it's not the suspension length that annoys me about baseball. I think in the NFL if you test positive you're suspended almost immediately. In baseball though you see guys getting caught at random times, months after the positive test, or in A-Rod's case, years later. Now I know that back when A- Rod tested positive when sterroids weren't officially banned, but it still shows that baseball's testing department is run by morons.

The thing that really upsets me though, is wondering just where Manny would be right now if this had come out when he originally tested positive. I doubt the Dodgers would've taken the "risk". Don't get me wrong, I hate the Dodgers with a passion, but if I were Ned Colletti I'd be furious with Major League Baseball.

[Linus]

Not surprised. I figured he'd test positive before A-Rod.

[gingerbreadmann]

Here's the thing: He didn't actually test positive, or else he would have had a chance to appeal. Apparently MLB received some sort of proof that he was using this super-viagra or whatever, and that was enough to suspend him without due process. That's what ESPNNEWS said, TJ Quinn.

I think this is kinda funny and not overly surprising, but I will always love Manny.

[dfwabel]

First of all, we don't know all the information on this. He tested positive in Spring Training, and if he was taking a drug let's say for sexual enhancement and it was out of season, he had no ties to any team or to any team doctors to check with. Does that mean he's not responsible? No. He is. It doesn't bother me, because unlike some of the other jokers, Sammy, McGuire, A-Rod, and Raffy, he came out and appoligized. Whatever it was, he made a stupid decision, now let's move on.

As much as you want to blame Manny, and he is wrong for whatever it was, this proves that baseball is run by an idiot, Bud Selig. 50 games for first offense? 100 for second? Really? Is that it? How about a year suspension for first offense and permanent ban for second and with that second offense you are stricken from baseball records. Your stats are removed and if you were in the Hall of Fame, your bust is removed. If you take Mark McGuire, etc. out of the record books, that has more meat along with a first time season long ban and second time complete ban than what is now.

The MLBPA also has a say in the Collective Bargaining, it is not just Bud "bring Bud" and implementing what he chooses. does not work that way, like in blaming Bettman. So I assume that you would have preferred not having any MLB (and possibly MiBL) since 2005 because Bud was too soft?

Secondly, as someone who has ordered from SNAC, the new company operated by Victor Conte's daughter, the current stuff does work, like ZMA, but there are similar supplements that do the same thing that a lesser price. Plus Clomid is a prescribed drug and cannot be ordered from them currently or from BALCO in the past. All references in "Game of Shadows" mentions that Clomid was assumed to mask steriod use. Clomid aka hGC, is on the list of banned substances. (If you visit the MLBPA home page and download the Joint Drug Agreement-JDA, it is clearly named on page 7, under Gonadotrophins). There is a LOT of items we can take as ordinary people which they cannot. Take a look.

[Brass]

This was on BostonDirtDogs.com earlier

"The Curse was broken by cheaters. Be man enough to accept it." -- 5.7.09, Anthony F., Yankee Fan... wasting no time chiming in

From a Yankees fan, abso-freakin'-lutely hilarious!

[See Red]

I'll say exactly what I said for A-Rod and everybody else who came before him...

Who cares?

This was on BostonDirtDogs.com earlier

"The Curse was broken by cheaters. Be man enough to accept it." -- 5.7.09, Anthony F., Yankee Fan... wasting no time chiming in

From a Yankees fan, abso-freakin'-lutely hilarious!

Now that's cute. Every team was dirty, who really gives a at this point?

[Jigga]

Except the Cardinals. The Cardinals were never dirty. No one ever proved McGwire was juicing. We are ALL Cardinals.

[The_Admiral]

I haven't seen ol' Mac lately. How have all those years of heavy testosterone and estrogen treated him? I wonder if he's developed a lovely hourglass figure.