The Memphis Tigers' very bad offseason just got spectacularly worse.

[rams80]

Indiana got nailed?

You guys must mean that light tap on the wrist they got, right?

And that's the reason Kentucky really doesn't need to worry one bit. 1989 was a long time ago. I'm not suggesting College Sports were totally pure then or that they're beyond enjoyment now (far from it), but the NCAA is far more business than the hearty organization it set out to be.

Kentucky and Indiana, amongst others, are their revenue making babies. Examples are made of the nobodies. Occasionally the somebodies. Never the babies anymore.

If they were, Indiana would not be prepped to be a contender again in 2 years.

They'll be a contender if the recruits stay and actually pan out. Neither is a guarantee. They did lose scholarships as a result of their self-imposed penalty, and the program was certainly Hiroshima'd for this past season.

[NJTank]

Indiana got nailed because Sampson was doing the same things at Indiana he was doing at Oklahoma.

Exactly, the NCAA could take away a few scholarships for a year or two to punish Calipari in Kentucky.

[rams80]

Indiana got nailed because Sampson was doing the same things at Indiana he was doing at Oklahoma.

Exactly, the NCAA could take away a few scholarships for a year or two to punish Calipari in Kentucky.

No...the schollys were lost BECAUSE Sampson DID THE SAME FRICKIN' THING HE DID AT OKLAHOMA whilst IN THE EMPLOY of Indiana University.

They could only restrict Calipari for visits and phone calls. The penal system in the NCAA does discriminate between individuals and programs.

[jkrdevil]

I need more than just conjecture and supposition. Y'all gotta give some concrete examples, because I just can't believe that for a second. How could one school be sanctioned when the scandal didn't even involve them?

They can't be touched in terms of scholarship reduction, being placed on probation, or anything else the NCAA slaps on the school directly. I guess the NCAA could suspend or ban Callapari for period of time if found to be involved. That would indirectly hurt Kentucky as they would be out a coach, although I would imagine they would be able to get out of the contract at that point.

That won't happen because the NCAA is spineless when it comes to punishing the coaches. If your Kentucky you are concerned about what he might ultimately leave when he exits there. For a program that received the death penalty once already and almost again for a second time it should be a concern. That said it looks like they knew about this storm ahead and still want to "dance with the devil." I guess a couple of down seasons there will do that.

[STL FANATIC]

Indiana got nailed?

You guys must mean that light tap on the wrist they got, right?

And that's the reason Kentucky really doesn't need to worry one bit. 1989 was a long time ago. I'm not suggesting College Sports were totally pure then or that they're beyond enjoyment now (far from it), but the NCAA is far more business than the hearty organization it set out to be.

Kentucky and Indiana, amongst others, are their revenue making babies. Examples are made of the nobodies. Occasionally the somebodies. Never the babies anymore.

If they were, Indiana would not be prepped to be a contender again in 2 years.

They'll be a contender if the recruits stay and actually pan out. Neither is a guarantee. They did lose scholarships as a result of their self-imposed penalty, and the program was certainly Hiroshima'd for this past season.

The program looked the result of being Hiroshima'd.

However, in actuality, it was not. Sure they imposed some scholarship limits themselves, but Crean wouldn't have used many if any of those axed scholarships at this point anyways. They'd have been saved for later use.

And go ahead and take a look at all the departed players and the reasons they departed. None of them were forced off the squad by the NCAA. None of them were forced off the squad because Indiana broke NCAA rules.

They left either for the NBA, to graduate, or because they were bad characters that Tom Crean (who I hatefully respect) didn't want on his basketball team. They were scum and they got kicked off for being scum.

IU was a disaster last year, but it wasn't because of any penalties from cheating.

But the NCAA knew that would be the case and they knew they could use that to their advantage in laying off of IU. They in fact cited the "condition of the program" as a reason not to further penalize IU. Not only that, they determined the terrible "condition of the program" before a single game was played. As if the NCAA has the ability or right to predict a terrible season.

I won't keep ranting on it though. Better let the professionals do it. Dan Wetzel nailed it way back when:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/ne...o&type=lgns

[rams80]

Indiana got nailed?

You guys must mean that light tap on the wrist they got, right?

And that's the reason Kentucky really doesn't need to worry one bit. 1989 was a long time ago. I'm not suggesting College Sports were totally pure then or that they're beyond enjoyment now (far from it), but the NCAA is far more business than the hearty organization it set out to be.

Kentucky and Indiana, amongst others, are their revenue making babies. Examples are made of the nobodies. Occasionally the somebodies. Never the babies anymore.

If they were, Indiana would not be prepped to be a contender again in 2 years.

They'll be a contender if the recruits stay and actually pan out. Neither is a guarantee. They did lose scholarships as a result of their self-imposed penalty, and the program was certainly Hiroshima'd for this past season.

The program looked the result of being Hiroshima'd.

However, in actuality, it was not. Sure they imposed some scholarship limits themselves, but Crean wouldn't have used many if any of those axed scholarships at this point anyways. They'd have been saved for later use.

And go ahead and take a look at all the departed players and the reasons they departed. None of them were forced off the squad by the NCAA. None of them were forced off the squad because Indiana broke NCAA rules.

They left either for the NBA, to graduate, or because they were bad characters that Tom Crean (who I hatefully respect) didn't want on his basketball team. They were scum and they got kicked off for being scum.

IU was a disaster last year, but it wasn't because of any penalties from cheating.

But the NCAA knew that would be the case and they knew they could use that to their advantage in laying off of IU. They in fact cited the "condition of the program" as a reason not to further penalize IU. Not only that, they determined the terrible "condition of the program" before a single game was played. As if the NCAA has the ability or right to predict a terrible season.

I won't keep ranting on it though. Better let the professionals do it. Dan Wetzel nailed it way back when:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/ne...o&type=lgns

When 99% of your scoring departs and you start 4 to 5 Freshmen a game in a major conference, especially one that is known for its on court street fights physical play it's not difficult to project a horrendously bad year. Oh yeah, and those departures also hurt Indiana because well, they aren't graduating, and the NCAA dings programs for that.

Meanwhile the entire Indiana athletic department remains a massive disaster area, in part because of the sanctions and the resultant departure of the AD who had been trying to build it up a little. (For example, he actually understood that the football team is a better program to fund a department with than the basketball team and was taking steps to build it up however modestly. I'm not sure if his replacement grasps that concept.)

[dfwabel]

Indiana got nailed?

You guys must mean that light tap on the wrist they got, right?

And that's the reason Kentucky really doesn't need to worry one bit. 1989 was a long time ago. I'm not suggesting College Sports were totally pure then or that they're beyond enjoyment now (far from it), but the NCAA is far more business than the hearty organization it set out to be.

Kentucky and Indiana, amongst others, are their revenue making babies. Examples are made of the nobodies. Occasionally the somebodies. Never the babies anymore.

If they were, Indiana would not be prepped to be a contender again in 2 years.

They'll be a contender if the recruits stay and actually pan out. Neither is a guarantee. They did lose scholarships as a result of their self-imposed penalty, and the program was certainly Hiroshima'd for this past season.

The program looked the result of being Hiroshima'd.

However, in actuality, it was not. Sure they imposed some scholarship limits themselves, but Crean wouldn't have used many if any of those axed scholarships at this point anyways. They'd have been saved for later use.

And go ahead and take a look at all the departed players and the reasons they departed. None of them were forced off the squad by the NCAA. None of them were forced off the squad because Indiana broke NCAA rules.

They left either for the NBA, to graduate, or because they were bad characters that Tom Crean (who I hatefully respect) didn't want on his basketball team. They were scum and they got kicked off for being scum.

IU was a disaster last year, but it wasn't because of any penalties from cheating.

But the NCAA knew that would be the case and they knew they could use that to their advantage in laying off of IU. They in fact cited the "condition of the program" as a reason not to further penalize IU. Not only that, they determined the terrible "condition of the program" before a single game was played. As if the NCAA has the ability or right to predict a terrible season.

I won't keep ranting on it though. Better let the professionals do it. Dan Wetzel nailed it way back when:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/ne...o&type=lgns

Sadly, after SMU, it really does not matter. a school close to getting the death penalty was TCU (Fort Worth) under Jim Wacker at the same time as SMU. They were lucky, but afterwards, the NCAA only looks at the smaller, private schools for even consideration. Baylor should have gotten it with basketball and other team violations, but they also escaped. It does not only take one program to equal death penalty in terms of violations, but even the NCAA does not care. Fresno State has had violations in basketball, football, and APR loss, plus lost two cases in court since 2005 for Title IX discrimination/sexual harrassment yet I guess they want to keep a close eye on him and their program but won't go off big time.

Sadly, I think that UK will be fine, but Memphis willget hit with around two years probation and a loss of scholarships.

[MVP]

More bad news for Rose? This time, from high school.

Source: Grade changed for Bulls star

A year ago, Derrick Rose became the No.1 overall pick in the NBA draft, selected by his hometown Bulls and eventually dazzling enough onlookers to be rated the top rookie in his class.

His ability and promise remain an immutable truth for the present and future. It's Rose's past, though, that is becoming a bit more clouded.

First came news Wednesday out of Memphis that the NCAA is investigating an allegedly fraudulent SAT score of a Memphis basketball player from the 2007-08 Final Four team, reportedly Rose.

Then a Chicago Public Schools source said Thursday that a grade on Rose's high school transcript was changed from a D to a C by someone at Simeon Career Academy in the final semester of his senior year.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/05...bulls-star.html

[STL FANATIC]

Doesn't mean a whole lot really, does it?

He's making bank and loved by his hometown Chicago fans.

He'll lose some rep points if proven true, but it's little more than a blip on his radar.

[The_Admiral]

If Mafia families ran basketball's developmental league, it'd be cleaner than the NCAA.

[WJMorris3]

Alright, David Stern, the ball's in your court, suspend Rose.

[The_Admiral]

This has nothing to do with his conduct in an NBA game or during his time as an NBA player. It's old news. There's nothing to suspend him for.

[buzzcut]

Alright, David Stern, the ball's in your court, suspend Rose.

I've said it once already, and I'll say it again with conviction, Will.....You are a shining beacon of ignorance. How can David Stern suspend a guy for having his grades changed in high school? The only team that's going to get punished is Memphis' Men's Basketball team(although the NCAA may get Kentucky for hiring John Calipari, seeing that he recruited Mr. Rose to Memphis).

[WJMorris3]

Alright, David Stern, the ball's in your court, suspend Rose.

I've said it once already, and I'll say it again with conviction, Will.....You are a shining beacon of ignorance. How can David Stern suspend a guy for having his grades changed in high school? The only team that's going to get punished is Memphis' Men's Basketball team(although the NCAA may get Kentucky for hiring John Calipari, seeing that he recruited Mr. Rose to Memphis).

Granted, if I was David Stern, he would not have even been drafted last year (I believe one should be required to either be 22 or out of high school for four years), but seriously, he can't exactly stand idly by.

[DEAD!]

Alright, David Stern, the ball's in your court, suspend Rose.

I've said it once already, and I'll say it again with conviction, Will.....You are a shining beacon of ignorance. How can David Stern suspend a guy for having his grades changed in high school? The only team that's going to get punished is Memphis' Men's Basketball team(although the NCAA may get Kentucky for hiring John Calipari, seeing that he recruited Mr. Rose to Memphis).

Granted, if I was David Stern, he would not have even been drafted last year (I believe one should be required to either be 22 or out of high school for four years), but seriously, he can't exactly stand idly by.

But, you're not David Stern.... Sure he can stand idly by, Rose didn't break any NBA rules. How likely do you think my employer will suspend me just because I did "something" in university?

[The_Admiral]

Of course he can. How does this pertain to his NBA career? It's high school stuff.

[Jigga]

Alright, David Stern, the ball's in your court, suspend Rose.

I've said it once already, and I'll say it again with conviction, Will.....You are a shining beacon of ignorance. How can David Stern suspend a guy for having his grades changed in high school? The only team that's going to get punished is Memphis' Men's Basketball team(although the NCAA may get Kentucky for hiring John Calipari, seeing that he recruited Mr. Rose to Memphis).

Granted, if I was David Stern, he would not have even been drafted last year (I believe one should be required to either be 22 or out of high school for four years), but seriously, he can't exactly stand idly by.

But, you're not David Stern.... Sure he can stand idly by, Rose didn't break any NBA rules. How likely do you think my employer will suspend me just because I did "something" in university?

It's Will...the fact that you pay it any mind reflects worse on you than it does on him...lol

Like my namesake said..."A wise man said don't argue with fools, 'cause people from a distance can't tell who is who."

[DEAD!]

It's Will...the fact that you pay it any mind reflects worse on you than it does on him...lol

Like my namesake said..."A wise man said don't argue with fools, 'cause people from a distance can't tell who is who."

Why would a dead person care about his reflection anyways?

[WJMorris3]

Of course he can. How does this pertain to his NBA career? It's high school stuff.

What he did tarnishes his image, and by extension, the image of the league as a whole. Of course he can punish him for conduct detrimental to the league.

[NJTank]

So Derrick Rose is a dumbass, he is a great basketball player, and does not seem to be involved in anything criminal sso why should he be suspended?