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Any word on how the ACC will handle the divisions once Pitt and Syracuse come into the conference?

Ideally, they'd switch to geographic divisions. In my ideal new ACC, the Virginia/North Carolina border would be the dividing line. However at 14 teams it would be uneven. They would more than likely have to put the northern most NC school in the North Division. See below.

ACC North

  1. Boston College
  2. Maryland
  3. Pitt
  4. Syracuse
  5. Virginia
  6. Virginia Tech

ACC South

  1. Clemson
  2. Duke
  3. Florida State
  4. Georgia Tech
  5. Miami
  6. North Carolina
  7. North Carolina State
  8. Wake Forest

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You could split the Virginia/North Carolina region so that both divisions have 2 NC teams and 1 Virginia team. VA Tech needs to be in the Atlantic to balance the power teams. Duke/Wake and UNC/NC State are interchangeable, but I see UNC/Duke as a better division rival.

ACC Atlantic (North)

Boston College

Syracuse

Pittsburgh

Maryland

Virginia Tech

Duke

North Carolina

ACC Coastal (South)

Virginia

Wake Forest

NC State

Clemson

Georgia Tech

Florida State

Miami

Duke would be the northern most team in NC, but Wake would be better tradition wise.

True, but in reality, the four NC schools are relatively in the same area of the state. It's not like they're that spread out.

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Duke would be the northern most team in NC, but Wake would be better tradition wise.

True, but in reality, the four NC schools are relatively in the same area of the state. It's not like they're that spread out.

Yeah, it's all one region, but Wake is the one team not in the Research Triangle, so that was my thinking for that.

On a related note, Syracuse does not have a baseball team. Learn something new every day.

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Now that I've had more time to think about it, they probably would not switch to a geographic alignment with only 14 teams. They'll probably just place Syracuse and Pitt into the current divisions. Georgraphic divisions may come along if the ACC expands to 16 teams and those two teams come from northern states.

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The problem is non conference match ups are decided years in advance, so it will take a few years to get these meetings up again.

I say the NCAA should step in and mandate Texas and A&M, KU-Mizzou and Pitt-WV continue their rivalry no matter what.

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The problem is non conference match ups are decided years in advance, so it will take a few years to get these meetings up again.

I say the NCAA should step in and mandate Texas and A&M, KU-Mizzou and Pitt-WV continue their rivalry no matter what.

Not gonna happen. WVU's already got two out-of-conference rivalries to maintain (Maryland, which is actually a good competitive rivalry, and Marshall, which is pretty much mandated by the governor of West Virginia). TAMU probably won't play UT if they know the game will be broadcast on the Failhorn Network. And KU-Mizzou probably won't happen with the way Mizzou departed the Big XII.

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The problem is non conference match ups are decided years in advance, so it will take a few years to get these meetings up again.

I say the NCAA should step in and mandate Texas and A&M, KU-Mizzou and Pitt-WV continue their rivalry no matter what.

Not gonna happen. WVU's already got two out-of-conference rivalries to maintain (Maryland, which is actually a good competitive rivalry, and Marshall, which is pretty much mandated by the governor of West Virginia). TAMU probably won't play UT if they know the game will be broadcast on the Failhorn Network. And KU-Mizzou probably won't happen with the way Mizzou departed the Big XII.

Mizzou wants to keep playing. It's Kansas who's being the whiny crybabies.

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The problem is non conference match ups are decided years in advance, so it will take a few years to get these meetings up again.

I say the NCAA should step in and mandate Texas and A&M, KU-Mizzou and Pitt-WV continue their rivalry no matter what.

The 1984 SCOTUS case disallowed the NCAA to control scheduling. Sorry SportseCyclopedia.

Texas A&M played nine Big XII games this season, but will only play eight SEC games. There is a game remaining for them.

Texas wants to still have a Thanksgiving night game, and Baylor, TCU and Texas Tech are currently willing to be the guest every third year.

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The problem is non conference match ups are decided years in advance, so it will take a few years to get these meetings up again.

I say the NCAA should step in and mandate Texas and A&M, KU-Mizzou and Pitt-WV continue their rivalry no matter what.

Not gonna happen. WVU's already got two out-of-conference rivalries to maintain (Maryland, which is actually a good competitive rivalry, and Marshall, which is pretty much mandated by the governor of West Virginia). TAMU probably won't play UT if they know the game will be broadcast on the Failhorn Network. And KU-Mizzou probably won't happen with the way Mizzou departed the Big XII.

Mizzou wants to keep playing. It's Kansas who's being the whiny crybabies.

But is Kansas really being crybabies? They are defending themselves and their conference, in a sense. Mizzou left for a money grab instead of honoring long traditions, so why should Kansas be expected to do the same?

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The problem is non conference match ups are decided years in advance, so it will take a few years to get these meetings up again.

I say the NCAA should step in and mandate Texas and A&M, KU-Mizzou and Pitt-WV continue their rivalry no matter what.

Not gonna happen. WVU's already got two out-of-conference rivalries to maintain (Maryland, which is actually a good competitive rivalry, and Marshall, which is pretty much mandated by the governor of West Virginia). TAMU probably won't play UT if they know the game will be broadcast on the Failhorn Network. And KU-Mizzou probably won't happen with the way Mizzou departed the Big XII.

Mizzou wants to keep playing. It's Kansas who's being the whiny crybabies.

But is Kansas really being crybabies? They are defending themselves and their conference, in a sense. Mizzou left for a money grab instead of honoring long traditions, so why should Kansas be expected to do the same?

There are many rivalries that extend beyond conference opponents...UGA/GT, UF/FSU, Carolina/Clemson, SoCal/ND, etc.

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The problem is non conference match ups are decided years in advance, so it will take a few years to get these meetings up again.

I say the NCAA should step in and mandate Texas and A&M, KU-Mizzou and Pitt-WV continue their rivalry no matter what.

Not gonna happen. WVU's already got two out-of-conference rivalries to maintain (Maryland, which is actually a good competitive rivalry, and Marshall, which is pretty much mandated by the governor of West Virginia). TAMU probably won't play UT if they know the game will be broadcast on the Failhorn Network. And KU-Mizzou probably won't happen with the way Mizzou departed the Big XII.

Mizzou wants to keep playing. It's Kansas who's being the whiny crybabies.

But is Kansas really being crybabies? They are defending themselves and their conference, in a sense. Mizzou left for a money grab instead of honoring long traditions, so why should Kansas be expected to do the same?

No they made a decision based on what was best for the school, stability in the top rated conference over instability in a sinking conference. It's kind of a no-brainer. They're priority is what's best for Missouri, not another school. The rivalry had a chance to continue non-conference. Mizzou wanted to keep it going, KU declined. Fine, but to come out and say Mizzou is abandoning them and that the rivalry should've superseded any reasoning for leaving is just ridiculous. They were upset because they weren't being sought after by other conferences like Mizzou and other schools were.

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The problem is non conference match ups are decided years in advance, so it will take a few years to get these meetings up again.

I say the NCAA should step in and mandate Texas and A&M, KU-Mizzou and Pitt-WV continue their rivalry no matter what.

Not gonna happen. WVU's already got two out-of-conference rivalries to maintain (Maryland, which is actually a good competitive rivalry, and Marshall, which is pretty much mandated by the governor of West Virginia). TAMU probably won't play UT if they know the game will be broadcast on the Failhorn Network. And KU-Mizzou probably won't happen with the way Mizzou departed the Big XII.

Mizzou wants to keep playing. It's Kansas who's being the whiny crybabies.

But is Kansas really being crybabies? They are defending themselves and their conference, in a sense. Mizzou left for a money grab instead of honoring long traditions, so why should Kansas be expected to do the same?

No they made a decision based on what was best for the school, stability in the top rated conference over instability in a sinking conference. It's kind of a no-brainer. They're priority is what's best for Missouri, not another school. The rivalry had a chance to continue non-conference. Mizzou wanted to keep it going, KU declined. Fine, but to come out and say Mizzou is abandoning them and that the rivalry should've superseded any reasoning for leaving is just ridiculous. They were upset because they weren't being sought after by other conferences like Mizzou and other schools were.

You have no clue why Kansas is terminating the rivalry. To say you do know why is asinine. The Big XII could have remained stable with 10 teams, including aTm and Mizzou, however, neither school wanted to pledge their loyalty to the conference. Sure there is a bunch of BS behind the scenes with Texas and Oklahoma, but bottom line is, Mizzou left the conference for safer waters. They left Kansas. They shouldn't expect Kansas to hold on to the rivalry. In a way, Mizzou, Colorado, Nebraska, and Texas A&M leaving is a slap in the face to the remaining schools that don't have options. If those 4 schools didn't want to stand by the conference for stability and loyalty, then why should Kansas stay loyal to those rivalries?

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The problem is non conference match ups are decided years in advance, so it will take a few years to get these meetings up again.

I say the NCAA should step in and mandate Texas and A&M, KU-Mizzou and Pitt-WV continue their rivalry no matter what.

Not gonna happen. WVU's already got two out-of-conference rivalries to maintain (Maryland, which is actually a good competitive rivalry, and Marshall, which is pretty much mandated by the governor of West Virginia). TAMU probably won't play UT if they know the game will be broadcast on the Failhorn Network. And KU-Mizzou probably won't happen with the way Mizzou departed the Big XII.

Mizzou wants to keep playing. It's Kansas who's being the whiny crybabies.

But is Kansas really being crybabies? They are defending themselves and their conference, in a sense. Mizzou left for a money grab instead of honoring long traditions, so why should Kansas be expected to do the same?

No they made a decision based on what was best for the school, stability in the top rated conference over instability in a sinking conference. It's kind of a no-brainer. They're priority is what's best for Missouri, not another school. The rivalry had a chance to continue non-conference. Mizzou wanted to keep it going, KU declined. Fine, but to come out and say Mizzou is abandoning them and that the rivalry should've superseded any reasoning for leaving is just ridiculous. They were upset because they weren't being sought after by other conferences like Mizzou and other schools were.

You have no clue why Kansas is terminating the rivalry. To say you do know why is asinine. The Big XII could have remained stable with 10 teams, including aTm and Mizzou, however, neither school wanted to pledge their loyalty to the conference. Sure there is a bunch of BS behind the scenes with Texas and Oklahoma, but bottom line is, Mizzou left the conference for safer waters. They left Kansas. They shouldn't expect Kansas to hold on to the rivalry. In a way, Mizzou, Colorado, Nebraska, and Texas A&M leaving is a slap in the face to the remaining schools that don't have options. If those 4 schools didn't want to stand by the conference for stability and loyalty, then why should Kansas stay loyal to those rivalries?

This is laughable. There is no way the Big 12 is anywhere near as stable as you've made it out to be. Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are more than likely off to the Pac-12 as soon as they get the chance, and Texas Tech is hoping they're included somehow. Texas has pretty much alienated every team in the conference. Even if OU were to stay, them and Texas are now going through a power struggle, so one would eventually get pissed and leave anyway.

Mizzou did what was best for them. Kansas is bitter. Yes, I've seen some of their comments. It's pretty well known. If Kansas had the same opportunity, I guarantee you they would jump as well.

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It isn't the fact that Mizzou left, it's the fact that a year ago they pledged their loyalty to a 10-team Big XII.

Could you really blame Kansas for being bitter towards Mizzou if the Big XII folded and KU had to join the Mountain West for football and the Missouri Valley for all non-football sports following the Tigers' departuer?

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