Philsphan Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Does it occur to you guys that the Big Ten probably shouldn't have taken Rutgers. Then they could've had the oppurtunity topics three of the following, UVA, UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech or if they wanted to go Northeast-BC, Pitt, Syracuse, Notre Dame. Rutgers seems like a bad place-filler for the Big Ten. They could've sat temptingly at 13 until they decided about if they wanted to go South or North. Now they are stuck with Rutgers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philsphan Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Also, if UNC and UVA go to the Big Ten, can you see Duke going Independent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Island_Style Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Does it occur to you guys that the Big Ten probably shouldn't have taken Rutgers. Then they could've had the oppurtunity topics three of the following, UVA, UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech or if they wanted to go Northeast-BC, Pitt, Syracuse, Notre Dame. Rutgers seems like a bad place-filler for the Big Ten. They could've sat temptingly at 13 until they decided about if they wanted to go South or North. Now they are stuck with Rutgers.They weren't stuck. Don't you see what the Big10 is after? TV Markets and footprint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I can't see UNC and Duke splitting, but outside of that UNC would be a good fit in the B1G if Virginia comes with them.Heck maybe they jump to 18. With the addition Virginia, UNC, Duke, and Georgia Tech. Duke is irrelevant. There is no point in adding them. Quote On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Does it occur to you guys that the Big Ten probably shouldn't have taken Rutgers. Then they could've had the oppurtunity topics three of the following, UVA, UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech or if they wanted to go Northeast-BC, Pitt, Syracuse, Notre Dame. Rutgers seems like a bad place-filler for the Big Ten. They could've sat temptingly at 13 until they decided about if they wanted to go South or North. Now they are stuck with Rutgers.It's stupid to have a 13 team football league if you can avoid it. Quote On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBolt3 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Does it occur to you guys that the Big Ten probably shouldn't have taken Rutgers. Then they could've had the oppurtunity topics three of the following, UVA, UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech or if they wanted to go Northeast-BC, Pitt, Syracuse, Notre Dame. Rutgers seems like a bad place-filler for the Big Ten. They could've sat temptingly at 13 until they decided about if they wanted to go South or North. Now they are stuck with Rutgers.It's stupid to have a 13 team football league if you can avoid it.The B10 hung with 11 for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Does it occur to you guys that the Big Ten probably shouldn't have taken Rutgers. Then they could've had the oppurtunity topics three of the following, UVA, UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech or if they wanted to go Northeast-BC, Pitt, Syracuse, Notre Dame. Rutgers seems like a bad place-filler for the Big Ten. They could've sat temptingly at 13 until they decided about if they wanted to go South or North. Now they are stuck with Rutgers.It's stupid to have a 13 team football league if you can avoid it.The B10 hung with 11 for a while.See "if you can avoid it". That said, 13's a lot more unworkable than 11 because of unbalanced divisions and the unpleasantness of having an odd number of teams is not something the Big Ten is keen on repeating. Quote On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy B Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Does it occur to you guys that the Big Ten probably shouldn't have taken Rutgers. Then they could've had the oppurtunity topics three of the following, UVA, UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech or if they wanted to go Northeast-BC, Pitt, Syracuse, Notre Dame. Rutgers seems like a bad place-filler for the Big Ten. They could've sat temptingly at 13 until they decided about if they wanted to go South or North. Now they are stuck with Rutgers.Short answer: Syracuse and Boston College aren't AAU members. Notre Dame isn't going to happen right now and it's better to have the New York market than Pittsburgh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philsphan Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 They weren't stuck. Don't you see what the Big10 is after? TV Markets and footprint.I don't think Rutgers can bring in the NYC market and neither does an ESPN columnist. http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/dollars/post/_/id/2380/does-rutgers-really-bring-in-nyc-marketIt's stupid to have a 13 team football league if you can avoid it.It wouldn't be a permanent 13 team league. The Big Ten would never start a season with 13 teams. The Big Ten would invite Maryland and then go after Virginia, UNC and either Duke (becuase UNC wants to stay with Duke) or Georgia Tech-more likely. If all of those teams decline, then invite Rutgers.Short answer: Syracuse and Boston College aren't AAU members. Notre Dame isn't going to happen right now and it's better to have the New York market than Pittsburgh.You're right. The Big Ten probably won't go into the Northeast. It was just a suggestion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmackman Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Personally, in a few years, I think these will be the new conferences (semi-kidding, of course). The NFL D-League will have the top 2 teams from each division compete in a seeded playoff, with two extra wild cards added:NFL D-LeagueSOUTHAlabamaTexas A&MGeorgiaTexasAuburnLSUTennesseeKentuckySouth CarolinaClemsonOle MissMississippiBaylorTexas TechEASTFloridaFlorida StateMiami (FL)DukeMarylandNC StatePenn StateVirginia TechUNCGeorgia TechSyracuseBoston CollegeSouth FloridaVirginiaWESTUCLAArizonaArizona StateCalWashingtonStanfordBYUOklahomaBoise StateUSCWashington StateOklahoma StateColoradoUtahNORTHNotre DameKansas StateKansasNebraskaIndianaWisconsinOhio StateIowaMichiganMichigan StateMissouriIowa StateWest VirginiaTCU*** Vanderbilt and Northwestern are pushed to the Ivy League ***What's left of the entire Sun Belt Conference, WAC, Mid-American Conference, and Mountain West Conference (40 teams) plus the following teams have been demoted to the Division 1 Non-Bowl Elligible Conference which operates under the same playoff structure as the NFL D-League, but has their own championship. They're recognized as having a football team, however, nobody cares about them.UCFWake ForestFCS Schols are Added to Division IIAt the end of the season, Division II and Division III combine in the playoffs for the "I Pretend I'm Still Playing High School Football" trophy. If you finish dead last in the Division II/III playoff, a ceremony is held where each of the players moms stands in front of the crowd and tells their sons, "It's okay, I still love you anyway," so that they can believe they have at least 1 fan. Quote "Every morning in Africa, a gazelle wakes up. It knows it must run faster than the fastest lion or it will be eaten. Every morning in Africa, a lion wakes up. It knows it must outrun the slowest gazelle or it will starve. It doesn't matter whether you're a lion or a gazelle. When the sun comes up, you'd better be running." - Unknown | Check out my articles on jerseys at Bacon Sports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESTONES6 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Does it occur to you guys that the Big Ten probably shouldn't have taken Rutgers. Then they could've had the oppurtunity topics three of the following, UVA, UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech or if they wanted to go Northeast-BC, Pitt, Syracuse, Notre Dame. Rutgers seems like a bad place-filler for the Big Ten. They could've sat temptingly at 13 until they decided about if they wanted to go South or North. Now they are stuck with Rutgers.Rutgers has made a significant investment in the football program, and its starting show. Next years recruiting class would put Rutgers 3rd in the BIG 10 behind Michigan and Ohio State. I believe they have 5 bowl wins since 2006. Sure they may not be one of the big five bowls, but its bowl wins, its bonus money.As someone already said... the BIG 10 is going for footprint. As has been talked about before; The BTN contract stipulates something like $0.30 on the dollar for every TV set in a state that does NOT contain a BIG 10 college. The BIG 10 gets something like $0.70 on the dollar for every TV watching the BTN with in a state that contains a school in the conference. It's not so much that Rutgers is a power house in the New York market... its that the BIG 10 has multiple schools with large fan bases, i.e. Ohio State, Michigan, Nebraska, Penn State, Indiana, etc. and many of their schools have extensive alumni networks the plunge into the Atlantic Coast, like New York, New Jersey, Baltimore and Washington DC. A big part of it is not New York watching Rutgers, but New York watching Penn State, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Michigan, etc.Its all about the dollars. Its always about the dollars. That's why the SEC has made it clear that the primary focus of their expansion is to new states that don't already have an SEC member college in them. That's why NC State and Virginia Tech make more sense than Clemson and Florida State. Quote SAINT IGNATIUS WILDCATS | CLEVELAND BROWNS | CLEVELAND CAVALIERS | CLEVELAND INDIANS | THE OHIO STATE BUCKEYES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted November 21, 2012 Author Share Posted November 21, 2012 Does it occur to you guys that the Big Ten probably shouldn't have taken Rutgers. Then they could've had the oppurtunity topics three of the following, UVA, UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech or if they wanted to go Northeast-BC, Pitt, Syracuse, Notre Dame. Rutgers seems like a bad place-filler for the Big Ten. They could've sat temptingly at 13 until they decided about if they wanted to go South or North. Now they are stuck with Rutgers.Short answer: Syracuse and Boston College aren't AAU members. Notre Dame isn't going to happen right now and it's better to have the New York market than Pittsburgh.Many of the same men/women in the room when they voted to add Nebraska are the same men/women who were aware that Nebraska had its AAU status up for review as far as back in 2000. They admitted them in 2010 knowing that the school would be reviewed by the AAU in 2011. Nebraska was voted out at the same time Syracuse voluntarily left. Nebraska was also voted out by two votes and both Michigan and Wisconsin are rumored to have been in the votes to remove them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 It's stupid to have a 13 team football league if you can avoid it.It wouldn't be a permanent 13 team league. The Big Ten would never start a season with 13 teams. The Big Ten would invite Maryland and then go after Virginia, UNC and either Duke (becuase UNC wants to stay with Duke) or Georgia Tech-more likely. If all of those teams decline, then invite Rutgers.That would potentially put the Conference on the hook for $200 million. No, that's a non-starter. And Duke's not worth adding. Georgia Tech's likely not worth adding either. Virginia may be a bridge and North Carolina best fits the Big Ten profile (barring massive academic sanctions for their fraud issues) but even that's iffy for addition.And there is the possibility of everybody saying no too. Just avoid the risk and wait to announce until you have 14. Quote On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Island_Style Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 VT's AD came out and said they are talking to the SEC. The ACC is dying. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter Morgan Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 VT's AD came out and said they are talking to the SEC. The ACC is dying.it's all over but the crying for the Big East and ACC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmackman Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 VT's AD came out and said they are talking to the SEC. The ACC is dying.Eventually it will be Miami and FSU, and the rest of it will be the All Cupcake Conference. Quote "Every morning in Africa, a gazelle wakes up. It knows it must run faster than the fastest lion or it will be eaten. Every morning in Africa, a lion wakes up. It knows it must outrun the slowest gazelle or it will starve. It doesn't matter whether you're a lion or a gazelle. When the sun comes up, you'd better be running." - Unknown | Check out my articles on jerseys at Bacon Sports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Island_Style Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 VT's AD came out and said they are talking to the SEC. The ACC is dying.Eventually it will be Miami and FSU, and the rest of it will be the All Cupcake Conference.FSU, Clemson, and a few other ACC football schools will be Big12 bound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_tattoos Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 VT's AD came out and said they are talking to the SEC. The ACC is dying.Kinda ironic seeing how the ACC started the whole conference realignment mess back in 2003.SN: I miss the old Big East. Those last few years games involving any combination of Miami, Virginia Tech, & West Virginia were fun to watch. Quote Hotter Than July > Thriller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Island_Style Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 VT's AD came out and said they are talking to the SEC. The ACC is dying.Kinda ironic seeing how the ACC started the whole conference realignment mess back in 2003.SN: I miss the old Big East. Those last few years games involving any combination of Miami, Virginia Tech, & West Virginia were fun to watch.The SEC was the one to start it. 12 to a CCG was their brainchild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thespleenenator Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Personally, in a few years, I think these will be the new conferences (semi-kidding, of course). The NFL D-League will have the top 2 teams from each division compete in a seeded playoff, with two extra wild cards added:NFL D-LeagueSOUTHAlabamaTexas A&MGeorgiaTexasAuburnLSUTennesseeKentuckySouth CarolinaClemsonOle MissMississippiBaylorTexas TechEASTFloridaFlorida StateMiami (FL)DukeMarylandNC StatePenn StateVirginia TechUNCGeorgia TechSyracuseBoston CollegeSouth FloridaVirginiaWESTUCLAArizonaArizona StateCalWashingtonStanfordBYUOklahomaBoise StateUSCWashington StateOklahoma StateColoradoUtahNORTHNotre DameKansas StateKansasNebraskaIndianaWisconsinOhio StateIowaMichiganMichigan StateMissouriIowa StateWest VirginiaTCU*** Vanderbilt and Northwestern are pushed to the Ivy League ***What's left of the entire Sun Belt Conference, WAC, Mid-American Conference, and Mountain West Conference (40 teams) plus the following teams have been demoted to the Division 1 Non-Bowl Elligible Conference which operates under the same playoff structure as the NFL D-League, but has their own championship. They're recognized as having a football team, however, nobody cares about them.UCFWake ForestFCS Schols are Added to Division IIAt the end of the season, Division II and Division III combine in the playoffs for the "I Pretend I'm Still Playing High School Football" trophy. If you finish dead last in the Division II/III playoff, a ceremony is held where each of the players moms stands in front of the crowd and tells their sons, "It's okay, I still love you anyway," so that they can believe they have at least 1 fan.I see in your future Oregon and Oregon State have no football teams. Quote Why you make fun of me? I make concept for Auburn champions and you make fun of me. I cry tears.Chopping off the dicks of Filipino boys and embracing causes that promote bigotry =/= strong moral character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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