Jump to content

Division 1 College Conference Realignment


dfwabel

Recommended Posts

Hypothetical question here: What if this year's Army-Navy game would have had an impact on the final BCS standings to determine who's going to BCS bowls? Do they postpone the BCS selection or simply ignore Army-Navy in the standings?

Army-Navy is ignored.

On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said:
You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now.
On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said:
Today, we are all otaku.

"The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert

POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010

The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

So... Where's NJIT off to with the Great West gone? ^_^

The hope is that either the NEC, MAAC or America East can pick them up.

Personally, I hope it's America East so they can have a replacement for Boston University.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hypothetical question here: What if this year's Army-Navy game would have had an impact on the final BCS standings to determine who's going to BCS bowls? Do they postpone the BCS selection or simply ignore Army-Navy in the standings?

Army-Navy is ignored.

So theoretically, and highly unlikely, Army and Navy could be undefeated and 1-2 in the BCS standings and would play for the national title no matter what happened in the Army-Navy game...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hypothetical question here: What if this year's Army-Navy game would have had an impact on the final BCS standings to determine who's going to BCS bowls? Do they postpone the BCS selection or simply ignore Army-Navy in the standings?

Army-Navy is ignored.

So theoretically, and highly unlikely, Army and Navy could be undefeated and 1-2 in the BCS standings and would play for the national title no matter what happened in the Army-Navy game...

Pretty much.

On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said:
You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now.
On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said:
Today, we are all otaku.

"The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert

POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010

The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Jim Delany said the Big Ten wanted to make sure Penn State wouldn't leave the conference when they added Rutgers and Maryland. Does that mean more Northeast teams are on the way?

http://m.espn.go.com...storyId=8724603

Eh, I doubt it. I'm ignoring all the AAU requirement stuff because all the schools not in it that I'll mention either were part of it or just on the cusp of it or could be in it if they chose (plus it's all about the money, money, money), but..

-Pitt could be a good fit, but it's too much in an established B1G area being between Penn State and Ohio State

-UConn brings another part of the NY market plus a bit of the Boston market, but there's issues with the basketball program and football's being seen as hitting its peak already

-Syracuse has the basketball, pretty much a good amount of any New York state market, and the academics (aside from voluntarily dropping out of the AAU), but as a private school that doesn't get the big state funds or put a large emphasis on research, we're not a good fit for the B1G

-For the love of god don't bring up Boston College. No. I don't care that they're the Boston market, their only strength as an athletic program since Matt Ryan left for the NFL has been hockey and hockey is probably the 15th most important thing to realignment. Also, see Syracuse about private schools, then tack on a Catholic affiliation. Probably the best academic school they could go with in the northeast, but it's not happening.

If anything, the B1G will be expanding south and west.

  • Like 1

oEQ0ySg.png

Twitter: @RyanMcD29 // College Crosse: Where I write, chat, and infograph lacrosse

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Jim Delany said the Big Ten wanted to make sure Penn State wouldn't leave the conference when they added Rutgers and Maryland. Does that mean more Northeast teams are on the way?

http://m.espn.go.com...storyId=8724603

Right... that AND access to New York, Washington DC, and Baltimore markets...

Y'know, for being the commissioner of what are supposedly the best academic institutions in the Midwest, he sure seems to lack a lot of respect for peoples' intelligence.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

The seven Big East Catholic, non-FBS schools met with Big East commissioner Mike Aresco on Sunday to express their concerns for the direction of the conference, multiple Big East sources confirmed to ESPN.com on Monday.

Sources said the New York meeting was the first among the seven schools (Marquette, DePaul, St. John's, Georgetown, Providence, Seton Hall and Villanova) and ultimately could lead to them splitting from the Big East's football members.

The problem for the Catholic seven would be that if they were to venture off without taking the assets and brand name, they would forfeit all the NCAA tournament revenue from the conference and would be left without any start-up to form a new conference. Then, of course, the seven schools would have to attempt to lure Atlantic-10 members Xavier, Dayton, Saint Louis, Butler and possibly Creighton, the latter out of the Missouri Valley, to form a city league that would stretch from St. Louis to Chicago to Milwaukee to Indianapolis to Cincinnati to Dayton to Providence to New York-New Jersey to Philadelphia to Washington, D.C.

http://espn.go.com/c...ols-sources-say

Hilarious. The schools calling the shots that led to the Big East's slow, painful death are now upset with the direction of the league and looking to leave.

Anyone who thinks the NHL has had the most disastrous, out-of-touch leadership in sports over the last ten years should take a look at the Big East.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The seven Big East Catholic, non-FBS schools met with Big East commissioner Mike Aresco on Sunday to express their concerns for the direction of the conference, multiple Big East sources confirmed to ESPN.com on Monday.

Sources said the New York meeting was the first among the seven schools (Marquette, DePaul, St. John's, Georgetown, Providence, Seton Hall and Villanova) and ultimately could lead to them splitting from the Big East's football members.

The problem for the Catholic seven would be that if they were to venture off without taking the assets and brand name, they would forfeit all the NCAA tournament revenue from the conference and would be left without any start-up to form a new conference. Then, of course, the seven schools would have to attempt to lure Atlantic-10 members Xavier, Dayton, Saint Louis, Butler and possibly Creighton, the latter out of the Missouri Valley, to form a city league that would stretch from St. Louis to Chicago to Milwaukee to Indianapolis to Cincinnati to Dayton to Providence to New York-New Jersey to Philadelphia to Washington, D.C.

http://espn.go.com/c...ols-sources-say

Hilarious. The schools calling the shots that led to the Big East's slow, painful death are now upset with the direction of the league and looking to leave.

Anyone who thinks the NHL has had the most disastrous, out-of-touch leadership in sports over the last ten years should take a look at the Big East.

I'm not sure that the Big East was out of touch... I just think that no one was ready for the last 2 years (and the next 2 years), even the conference that started it all. When the B1G TEN added Nebraska, they had an end game in mind for 16 teams, but I don't think they anticipated the chain reaction that occurred afterword. I'm sure they had some idea that the Big XII would try to invite a school like TCU to bring them back to 12 schools. But I don't think the B16 TEN anticipated Utah and Colorado immediatly jumping ship to the PAC, which then caused Texas A&M and Mizzou to join the SEC. I don't think the B16 TEN anticipated 4 teams leaving the Big XII... 2 at most.

Once the Big XII added TCU and West Virginia, it became more clear the rules were changing. It didn't matter if you were in the footprint or even near it. If you had a good program and a significant following, you were going to get poached. With the east being separated into 2 conferences, neither of which can compete with the B16 TEN, PAC, SEC, or Big XII, they were doomed. There was nothing the ACC and Big East could do. We saw it with Maryland... $50 million exit fee is a small price to pay when the B16 TEN is projecting $40 million+ in the first year of Rutgers and Maryland joining the conference. Its almost silly to NOT make the move.

Unfortunatly, the Big East AND the ACC have had limited foresite. They have a legitimate chance at surviving and thriving if they can work together. With the schools remaining, they can have a decent football conference (by decent, I mean 5th of the big 5), and have arguably the best basketball conference (volume). I don't see the conferences working together however.

Its not that the Big East was out of touch... its just no one anticipated all this movement in such a short period of time.

_CLEVELANDTHATILOVEIndians.jpg


SAINT IGNATIUS WILDCATS | CLEVELAND BROWNS | CLEVELAND CAVALIERS | CLEVELAND INDIANS | THE OHIO STATE BUCKEYES

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Honestly, the Big East should just cut its Football ties. Soon it's just gonna be Conference USA, but under the Big East title. Just let the schools that can be picked off to fill the 15th/16th spots in the superconferences go and the rest back to CUSA. Then focus on what you really were all along, a basketball conference. Sure some of your key members have left, but they can still salvage the chance of being a pretty respectable basketball league. If anything, partner with CUSA to "sponsor" the football conference as the "Big East" and then separate into two different basketball conferences.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Its not that the Big East was out of touch... its just no one anticipated all this movement in such a short period of time.

The Big East's fate was sealed long before the most recent moves because of its inability and unwillingness to adjust and react strongly to the football-driven economy of college sports. Over the last ten years, they're the only Automatic Qualifier conference that didn't add new members from another Automatic Qualifier conference, and the one that's had the most defections to others. They've been operating from a position of weakness for the last ten years, owing to poor leadership that was out of touch with the reality of modern collegiate athletics.

This final episode is telling: the schools that are now plotting to leave are doing so because the value of their basketball TV deal is weakening. They were oblivious to conference realignment until they started losing schools that brought value to their basketball rights, like Syracuse, Pittsburgh, and Louisville. The league's failure to take bold action with an understanding of the modern college sports landscape was driven by this basketball-centric mindset, and their response to these losses is now driving away the assets they clung so stubbornly to.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Its not that the Big East was out of touch... its just no one anticipated all this movement in such a short period of time.

The Big East's fate was sealed long before the most recent moves because of its inability and unwillingness to adjust and react strongly to the football-driven economy of college sports. Over the last ten years, they're the only Automatic Qualifier conference that didn't add new members from another Automatic Qualifier conference, and the one that's had the most defections to others. They've been operating from a position of weakness for the last ten years, owing to poor leadership that was out of touch with the reality of modern collegiate athletics.

This final episode is telling: the schools that are now plotting to leave are doing so because the value of their basketball TV deal is weakening. They were oblivious to conference realignment until they started losing schools that brought value to their basketball rights, like Syracuse, Pittsburgh, and Louisville. The league's failure to take bold action with an understanding of the modern college sports landscape was driven by this basketball-centric mindset, and their response to these losses is now driving away the assets they clung so stubbornly to.

I'm not so sure the Big East's fate had to do with a lack of leadership so much as it had to do with the fact that eastern college football has been on the decline since before the Big East was even formed, and they served the only geographic area where college basketball was more popular than football. Aside from letting Penn State in during the 80s, I'm not sure what they could've possibly done to prevent this... and even then, Penn State would've been one of the first schools picked off by either the ACC (who probably would've went after them instead of BC in the mid-2000s) or the Big Ten in this current REEL LINE MINT shuffle.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Its not that the Big East was out of touch... its just no one anticipated all this movement in such a short period of time.

The Big East's fate was sealed long before the most recent moves because of its inability and unwillingness to adjust and react strongly to the football-driven economy of college sports. Over the last ten years, they're the only Automatic Qualifier conference that didn't add new members from another Automatic Qualifier conference, and the one that's had the most defections to others. They've been operating from a position of weakness for the last ten years, owing to poor leadership that was out of touch with the reality of modern collegiate athletics.

This final episode is telling: the schools that are now plotting to leave are doing so because the value of their basketball TV deal is weakening. They were oblivious to conference realignment until they started losing schools that brought value to their basketball rights, like Syracuse, Pittsburgh, and Louisville. The league's failure to take bold action with an understanding of the modern college sports landscape was driven by this basketball-centric mindset, and their response to these losses is now driving away the assets they clung so stubbornly to.

I'm not so sure the Big East's fate had to do with a lack of leadership so much as it had to do with the fact that eastern college football has been on the decline since before the Big East was even formed, and served the only geographic area where college basketball was more popular than football. Aside from letting Penn State in during the 80s, I'm not sure what they could've possibly done to prevent this... and even then, Penn State would've been one of the first schools picked off by either the ACC (who probably would've went after them instead of BC in the mid-2000s) or the Big Ten in this current REEL LINE MINT shuffle.

I totally agree about the role the weakness of eastern football played. It's a huge reason why there isn't room in this football-dominated world for an ACC and a Big East to both exist as major conferences.

But crappy east coast football was just a catalyst; the way it has unfolded owes itself to the structure, priorities, and vision of the two conferences. The ACC, with the advantage of all of its schools being football participants and thus all being invested in the strength of ACC football, saw the writing on the wall and acted aggressively to secure itself. The Big East, which was always dominated by basketball schools, never took proactive steps to strengthen itself as a football conference. The moves they did make were reactive and defensive, and were attempts to repair holes left by defections, not steps taken to gain higher footing.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Meanwhile in Charlottesville...

Accreditor fires shot across Virginia's bow.

On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said:
You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now.
On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said:
Today, we are all otaku.

"The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert

POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010

The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The death knell may be imminent.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8742607/seven-catholic-schools-leaning-leaving-big-east-sources-say

Even if they don't dissolve the league, it's looking like it'll lose 15-20% of its current television deal with the Catholic schools leaving. I can't imagine the other schools staying put so that of course begs to question...what happens to the schools who signed up?? Should Houston, SMU, Memphis and the others join the Mountain West?? Go back to the C-USA to make a giga-conference?

GR30a5H.png

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Big East basketball schools b!tching about adding Tulane not realizing that they were the deadweight on the Conference RPI. Priceless, Don't cry for them. And yeah, the destruction of the Conference does kind of drift back to the basketball school's efforts to underplay football when that was the money cart. It's their own fault the football schools that were good at basketball got pissed and left.

On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said:
You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now.
On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said:
Today, we are all otaku.

"The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert

POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010

The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use.