pianoknight Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Another reason why I am sold the Big10 and Big12 are not done. Also will be the reason ND never joins the ACC.No one thinks the B16 TEN is done expanding. Nothing insightful or profound with that statement.There are many posts on other threads here about the possible impact of Speed becoming FOX Sports 1.However, regardless of the re-branding of SPEED to make it more mainstream, there are a few key issues FSMG (FOX Sports Media Group) must deal with.1. Contracts: The current Big Ten contract with ABC/ESPN runs through 2016 and they will have an exclusive period to re-negotiate as well as the right to match.2. Eyes: Most cable households have ESPN and expect to see college sports there. Recruits look at ESPN/2. They did not look at The Mtn. or even at CBSC. FOX had issues with seeing Big XII and Pac-12 and C-USA games on FX. Today, FX has households than SPEED on basic cable, yet there is the thought to move it to basic cable still has the NBCSN issue...it's not ESPN and they do not have the games which ESPN has.Bottom Line: Outside of the NBC/NotreDame deal and the SEC/CBS, the less you are ESPN, it is hard for people to change networks to see your games. Ask the Mountain West.Some of this also goes to the distribution model. The Pac-12 network shot itself in the ass by splitting up into 7 regional affiliate networks - one for each region. So if you're from Arizona and you move to Washington, you'll have trouble finding the Wildcat/Sun Devil Channel. It will all be Husky/Cougars up in Washington. The Big Ten and other conferences (correctly) understand that to really push the agenda of a big time conference network, you need it centralized so you can produce a massive inventory.Case in point - this last year's Civil War game. I forgot which cable provider it was, but either DirecTV or Comcast was unable to broadcast the game. In Eugene. And in Corvallis. I know a crapload of Duck/Beaver fans who completely missed out on Civil War because it was essentially blacked out to about half the residents in their own state. What a bunch of horse poop.Try NOT showing the Iron Bowl to half of Alabama and see what happens. Quote 5th in NAT. TITLES | 2nd in CONF. TITLES | 5th in HEISMAN | 7th in DRAFTS | 8th in ALL-AMER | 7th in WINS | 4th in BOWLS | 1st in SELLOUTS | 1st GAMEDAY SIGN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted March 7, 2013 Author Share Posted March 7, 2013 (edited) Pac-12 Network has failed to reach a contract with DirecTV from the beginning.They were added to DISH in September, but the national channel only.Cox, TimeWarner. xfinity, and BrightHouse are the four major cable outlets who signed up for a multi-year contract with the Pac-12. The network also signed a long term deal with the NCTC, a series of smaller cable co-ops.EDIT: Pac-12 also has a mobile platform issue which their VP addressed on Tuesday. They cannot currently stream on Comcast/xfinity. Edited March 7, 2013 by dfwabel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Island_Style Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 And more under the radar news. BIG10 ADs talking about adding two more teams. Just do it already! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burkell007 Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 So say the "big east" takes butler, Xavier, saint Louis, creighton, and Dayton/vcu what teams do the a10 & mvc take for replacements? I'd say Nebraska-Omaha for the mvc and I'm not sure who might join the A10 , thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCall Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 I believe the MVC has shown interest in maybe trying to bring in Murray State to replace Creighton if they left. Quote https://dribbble.com/MakaioCall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burkell007 Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Hmm that not be bad I'd figure they try to replace the Omaha market. What about the Dakota's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Hmm that not be bad I'd figure they try to replace the Omaha market. What about the Dakota's?Bradley, Drake and Evansville would bail. Bradley and Drake remember the last time the MVC played at having football too well. It involved annual road trips to Las Cruces, New Mexico and Amarillo, Texas for basketball. Quote On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illwauk Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 So say the "big east" takes butler, Xavier, saint Louis, creighton, and Dayton/vcu what teams do the a10 & mvc take for replacements? I'd say Nebraska-Omaha for the mvc and I'm not sure who might join the A10 , thoughts?UIC plays in a large media market, has an on-campus arena, and is getting a shiny new ballpark for its baseball team (the second-most important sport in the MVC), I'm pretty sure they're near the top of the want list.I do know Milwaukee's had interest in joining the MVC ever since the Bruce Pearl days, but including interims, we've ran through five athletic directors since then and just hired a sixth. The biggest knock on us is that we don't have an (adequate) on-campus arena, but owning (rather than simply renting) the old MECCA might change their mind. We also have money set aside for a new ballpark, but East Milwaukee real estate is more expensive than you think, and finding a place near campus to actually put it is proving to be problematic. Hopefully the if the Big East offers Creighton membership, they wait awhile (read: at least a year) to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burkell007 Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 I was thinking the same thing about UIC, or Loyola as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cshookemHORNS Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Hmm that not be bad I'd figure they try to replace the Omaha market. What about the Dakota's?Bradley, Drake and Evansville would bail. Bradley and Drake remember the last time the MVC played at having football too well. It involved annual road trips to Las Cruces, New Mexico and Amarillo, Texas for basketball.Amarillo representing right here . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illwauk Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 No chance Loyola would get invited over UIC. Baseball is very important to the MVC, and they're definitely not going to pass up a school that's getting a brand new facility over one that doesn't even have baseball.The only knock on UIC also holds for Loyola... 3 Illinois schools are already members of the MVC. Milwaukee would still be the biggest media market in the MVC, but we'd also expand their footprint. Perfect opportunity for us if our athletic department can just get its together, but... as anyone familiar with our situation could tell you... that's a much bigger "if" than it probably should have ever became. We did just hire a new Athletic Director who understands our need for new facilities though, so we shall see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pianoknight Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Hmm that not be bad I'd figure they try to replace the Omaha market. What about the Dakota's?There are only two major sports things that matter in Omaha:Husker FootballCreighton BasketballTo a lesser extend, you could include UN-Omaha Hockey and of course the College World Series, but you'd be hard pressed to replace the Omaha basketball market without the Jays. The Husker basketball team has some loyalty, but then the Huskers aren't looking to leave the Big Ten any time soon either. Quote 5th in NAT. TITLES | 2nd in CONF. TITLES | 5th in HEISMAN | 7th in DRAFTS | 8th in ALL-AMER | 7th in WINS | 4th in BOWLS | 1st in SELLOUTS | 1st GAMEDAY SIGN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBolt3 Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/9031167/catholic-7-leaving-big-east-june-30Catholic 7 leaving in June.(I'm surprised nobody has put this here yet.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illwauk Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Shatel: Arch Madness ... or melancholy?More speculation about Creighton... this one specify's Milwaukee as their possible replacement in the MVC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joechicago Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 So...the case for KSU joining the B1G is a research lab and a football team that's been good under exactly one (1) coach? Do I hear that right?Kansas doesn't have that research lab and less football success than that, so the Wildcats at least would be better for the Big Ten than the Jayhawks.Almost literally no one in Kansas (incl. most K State fans) and the Big Ten believes that. The KS Board of Regents would be burned at the stake for even suggesting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 So...the case for KSU joining the B1G is a research lab and a football team that's been good under exactly one (1) coach? Do I hear that right?Kansas doesn't have that research lab and less football success than that, so the Wildcats at least would be better for the Big Ten than the Jayhawks.Almost literally no one in Kansas (incl. most K State fans) and the Big Ten believes that. The KS Board of Regents would be burned at the stake for even suggesting it.I've seen Kansans who argue my stance, so meh.They aren't going to prise any Big XII team loose in the next decade anyway, though. The 10 year grant of media rights sees to that. Quote On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_tattoos Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 So if the "new Big East" is supposed to be a basketball only conference with the Catholic 7 (plus potential newcomers). What happens to the other athletic programs at those schools that formerly participated in the old Big East? Will the Catholic 7 have to find new conference homes for all their other sports? Quote Hotter Than July > Thriller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 So if the "new Big East" is supposed to be a basketball only conference with the Catholic 7 (plus potential newcomers). What happens to the other athletic programs at those schools that formerly participated in the old Big East? Will the Catholic 7 have to find new conference homes for all their other sports?It's not basketball-only. The Olympic Sports will be in this league too. Quote On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBGKon Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 So if the "new Big East" is supposed to be a basketball only conference with the Catholic 7 (plus potential newcomers). What happens to the other athletic programs at those schools that formerly participated in the old Big East? Will the Catholic 7 have to find new conference homes for all their other sports?It's not basketball-only. The Olympic Sports will be in this league too.Correct, the Catholic 7 Big East will now be a top-tier non-football conference along the lines of the Atlantic 10 and host all sports but football. The former Big East football schools will keep the slot of the BE conference for football, but all other sports will fall under the umbrella of the America 12/Metro/Whatever Name we come about with Conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCall Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 So if the "new Big East" is supposed to be a basketball only conference with the Catholic 7 (plus potential newcomers). What happens to the other athletic programs at those schools that formerly participated in the old Big East? Will the Catholic 7 have to find new conference homes for all their other sports?It's not basketball-only. The Olympic Sports will be in this league too.Correct, the Catholic 7 Big East will now be a top-tier non-football conference along the lines of the Atlantic 10 and host all sports but football. The former Big East football schools will keep the slot of the BE conference for football, but all other sports will fall under the umbrella of the America 12/Metro/Whatever Name we come about with Conference.Has it been said the football schools will keep big East for football? I don't think they would. It's not like the Missouri Valley and Missouri Valley Football Conferences where many of the same schools are in both but not all. Here, they would share no members, but yet share the name? Quote https://dribbble.com/MakaioCall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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