CrimsonBull9584 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Here's my question: What exactly does the American have, that the Mountain West doesn't, that would make it attractive for Boise, Colorado State, Air Force, and San Diego State? I feel that these teams should stay in the Mountain West. I really don't see the need for them to move. The American should target Georgia State, UAB, Charlotte, FIU/FAU, and any of the Texas C-USA schools. I don't see why you need a conference that goes from Philadelphia to San Diego. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 1 hour ago, heavybass said: Yeah if I was Liberty, I would hope the AAC sends the invite now Godot is going to show up first. 2 Quote On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Comet Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Here’s an Athletic article regarding expansion possibilities for the Group of 5 conferences with emphasis placed on the AAC. I archived it so anyone can read it. It’s pretty good and breaks down the case for and against each prospective candidate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lights Out Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 14 hours ago, CrimsonBull9584 said: What exactly does the American have, that the Mountain West doesn't, that would make it attractive for Boise, Colorado State, Air Force, and San Diego State? ESPN's support. That's pretty much it at this point, but it's a big advantage considering how much power ESPN has over this sport. I don't see it happening, though. Boise State (alongside Memphis) has already been widely reported as the favorites for the next round of Big 12 expansion, whenever that happens. No athletic department in their right mind would be on board with paying the MWC's exit fee, dealing with the travel expenses of having to fly all the non-revenue sports to Philadelphia, Tampa and Greenville on a regular basis for a few years, and then having to pay the AAC's exit fee on top of that when the Big 12 comes calling. And if they don't make the move, it's hard to see CSU, Air Force or SDSU doing it either. 1 Quote POTD: 2/4/12 3/4/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 The remaining AAC schools have a higher SP+ average than the MW. Both leagues' averages would take a hit if Memphis and Boise left but I don't think the MW would fall as far is SDSU stayed. At this time, on-filed the AAC is still better than the MW overall. However, as we've seen with the CUSA-Sun Belt dynamic, a lot can change in 10 years. When the league was bringing in Georgia Southern and App State, a lot of people were saying the league might as well just go FCS. Fast forward to 2020 and they finish the year with two top 25 teams. Quote Athletic Director: KTU Blue Grassers Football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Boise State is rather unhappy in the Mountain West, though. Quote On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 They were and likely still are to some extent but they have a new AD and new coach. Harsin was very vocal in advocating for leaving the Mountain West. From what I've seen, Avalos hasn't been vocal either way. Quote Athletic Director: KTU Blue Grassers Football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonBull9584 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 6 hours ago, rams80 said: Boise State is rather unhappy in the Mountain West, though. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heavybass Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 Because Boise State has outgrown the Mountain West and needs to be a power team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lights Out Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 56 minutes ago, CrimsonBull9584 said: Why? Nobody's ever happy in a G5 conference. That's just the way it is. 4 Quote POTD: 2/4/12 3/4/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Wolf Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 9 minutes ago, Lights Out said: Nobody's ever happy in a G5 conference. That's just the way it is. People are barely happy in P5 conferences right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 The Mountain West bent over backwards to keep Boise State out of the Big East. They offered them a sweetheart TV deal similar to what OU and Texas have in the Big XII. When the MWC was renegotiating new TV deals, they wanted to end the special deal that Boise State got. The per-team increase didn't offset loss of the sweetheart deal. Additionally, the athletic department (this may have changed since the AD change) felt like the league didn't promote the Broncos the way other leagues promote their moneymakers. I believe Harsin, and possibly some of their other sports, had scheduling complaints as well. 1 Quote Athletic Director: KTU Blue Grassers Football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonBull9584 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 What would happen if in the even that Boise State, Colorado State, San Diego State, and Air Force, all leave the Mountain West? Where would the conference turn? I see some Big Sky teams moving up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadragon76 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 25 minutes ago, CrimsonBull9584 said: What would happen if in the even that Boise State, Colorado State, San Diego State, and Air Force, all leave the Mountain West? Where would the conference turn? I see some Big Sky teams moving up. The Big Sky could lose members, but I don't know if there is anyone willing to make the move up to the FBS level. Anyhow... let's say this scenario plays out and those four schools join the American. The Mountain West would be at 7 schools (8 for football thanks to Hawaii). The Big Sky would be the most logical choice to start seeking out members. The Montana schools come to mind as they would be a perfect fit for the Mountain West, but - like I said before - are they willing to do this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDAWG Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Interesting that UT-Arlington and Arkansas-Little Rock could get kicked out of the Sun Belt. Could both join the WAC/SLC as non football members or even Conference USA? I don't know of the status of Arkansas-Little Rock in terms of getting a football program but I know it's been non-existent in UT-Arlington. However, there's the issue of the old Texas Rangers stadium, the former Globe Life Park, now Choctaw (as in the Indian Casino) Stadium. The major tenant is North Texas SC, the developmental team of FC Dallas. They used to host XFL's Dallas Renegades and were supposed to host the Dallas Jackals of Major League Rugby. When the conversion happened, I had read that the stadium was going to be used for Arlington ISD football and that has happened. Some college football has happened there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Germanshepherd Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Here’s who I’d like to see the AAC add if they don’t raid the Mountain West UAB Charlotte James Madison Rice All these schools fit the “vibe” of the conference the most in my opinon. Quote i have unquantifiable corpses on my conscience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burmy Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 11 hours ago, Germanshepherd said: Here’s who I’d like to see the AAC add if they don’t raid the Mountain West UAB Charlotte James Madison Rice All these schools fit the “vibe” of the conference the most in my opinon. Yes to the first three...maybe on the last one. Rice's main selling point these days is its location in Houston (and its stadium and team being shouted out in JFK's "to the moon" speech and being the worst stadium to ever host a Super Bowl). Given the program's current irrelevancy, I doubt that the AAC will want to add them just to keep a Houston presence (but then again, I doubted the AAC would want Tulane for these reasons, but they're in and have gotten pretty good) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_tattoos Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 18 hours ago, Seadragon76 said: The Big Sky could lose members, but I don't know if there is anyone willing to make the move up to the FBS level. California-Davis? Quote Hotter Than July > Thriller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMU Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 21 minutes ago, 4_tattoos said: California-Davis? They'd need to expand their stadium by 5K and then average sellouts to even be able to qualify for FBS. They've historically not been able to sell out their 10K stadium the way it is and I don't know how many more seats Dan Hawkins is going to fill up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsfan7 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 19 hours ago, Seadragon76 said: The Big Sky could lose members, but I don't know if there is anyone willing to make the move up to the FBS level. I think the Montanas are the most likely option. Beyond that, I suppose Sac St would be good from a market standpoint, but I think the MWC's best options would be NMSU, the Dakotas schools, and/or some of the Texas FCS schools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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