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1 hour ago, EskimoAldus said:

Oregon, Stanford & Washington (along with Notre Dame) to the Big 10.

 

Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado & Utah to the Big 12.

 

Cal, Oregon State & Washington State are out of luck or to the MWC. 

This is how I expect the current round of realignment to wind up. Honestly the only major question to me is whether or not WSU, OSU, and Cal just join the MWC or they take the top six or so teams from the MWC and make a new conference with some teams like SMU and Memphis. Then in 2036 the Big 10, Big 12, and SEC will each take 4 teams from the ACC and Wake Forest and someone else (probably BC) will be left to the wild. The Big 10 and SEC will be the two superconferences and the Big 12 will be the clear number three

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Oregon is Nike USA. I'm shocked it wasn't included with the Big 10 move.

 

Washington is the Seattle market, but one that's pretty well saturated with pro sports. I don't know local numbers, but I suppose if it's good enough for NHL, MLB and NFL, then the NCAA wants that action too.

 

I'm bummed that Wazzu and UW are being split though. That stinks.

1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said:

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If those schools end up in the Big XII, I wouldn't be surprised to see Stanford and Cal eventually wind up in the Big Ten. Stanford is one of the top academic institutions in the country and has a decent sports program. Pair that with bringing  in the Bay Area market, and it makes for a pretty appealing addition to now having the LA market. Cal would work as a "travel partner" school for Stanford and the LA schools.

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1 minute ago, McCall said:

If those schools end up in the Big XII, I wouldn't be surprised to see Stanford and Cal eventually wind up in the Big Ten. Stanford is one of the top academic institutions in the country and has a decent sports program. Pair that with bringing  in the Bay Area market, and it makes for a pretty appealing addition to now having the LA market. Cal would work as a "travel partner" school for Stanford and the LA schools.

Stanford would be a good way to possibly draw in Notre Dame, and of course the school has the academic reputation. Cal is great academically as well but I don't see them really adding anything of value.

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9 hours ago, DG_ThenNowForever said:

Oregon is Nike USA. I'm shocked it wasn't included with the Big 10 move.

 

Washington is the Seattle market, but one that's pretty well saturated with pro sports. I don't know local numbers, but I suppose if it's good enough for NHL, MLB and NFL, then the NCAA wants that action too.

 

I'm bummed that Wazzu and UW are being split though. That stinks.

What happens with Oregon and Washington all depends on the B1G landing Notre Dame or not. If the B1G can get Notre Dame there's a good chance they add another team(most likely Stanford) and stop at 18 or get up to 20 by raiding the ACC. If they can't get ND, then you'll see Oregon, Washington and maybe another team or two from the PAC12 along with 2 or 3 teams from the ACC.

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6 minutes ago, Luigi74 said:

What happens with Oregon and Washington all depends on the B1G landing Notre Dame or not. If the B1G can get Notre Dame there's a good chance they add another team(most likely Stanford) and stop at 18 or get up to 20 by raiding the ACC. If they can't get ND, then you'll see Oregon, Washington and maybe another team or two from the PAC12 along with 2 or 3 teams from the ACC.

Actually, if their goal would be 20 (with 4 divisions of 5 teams), their top choices could be Stanford, Oregon & Washington (to join UCLA, USC in the west) and Notre Dame (or at least a midwest/eastern school). If Oregon and UW end up in the Big XII, then that leaves the Big Ten with 2 of Oregon State, Washington State and Cal to join Stanford (and the LA schools) in this theoretical scenario. I think they'd prefer Oregon/UW.

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Doesn't the Rose bowl usually have the Pac10 champ vs the B1G champ unless it's a playoff game or either of those teams are in the CFP?

 

Given the lack of marquee programs in the Pac# after USC/UCLA leave, would the Rose Bowl still want that deal?  Forgive me for my lack of CFB knowledge, but I assume Oregon would be the presumptive favorite in the league every year (unless it bolts too.) 

 

Obviously Oregon has been in the Rose Bowl plenty of times so it's not like it would be any kind of drop off, but if the prestige of the conference as a whole is as low as I'm reading that it will be, is it possible (if not likely) that the Rose Bowl would want a deal with another conference (not that there's many to choose from anymore.)

 

 

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I think it is far more likely than most people assume that the Big Ten (and SEC) will stand pat for the next several years than rapidly expand; I know it's easy for us to jump to some "world domination" concept, and maybe we get there eventually once we're a lot closer to the ACC's GoR expiring, but this is all about increasing the TV revenue share for each current Big Ten school, and if the Big Ten thought that Oregon and Washington would do that, they'd already be in the conference (not to mention, why would UCLA and USC want to share the west coast recruiting landscape?).

 

At the end of the day, there aren't very many programs that truly move the needle left outside the Big Ten and SEC. There may be a point where Big Ten and SEC schools are willing to give up money just for the sole purpose of choking out the ACC and Big XII, but I don't think that's going to happen soon and don't think there's necessarily real value in it to either conference right now.

 

EDIT: Also, Notre Dame could not care less about Stanford. That series is a convenient excuse to get to play in the Bay Area every other Thanksgiving for recruiting/donor/general happiness purposes, not an actual rivalry.

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17 hours ago, WestCoastBias said:

 

If this happens I hope Cincinnati, Houston, UCF, and BYU somehow get left out.

Why should they get screwed over?  They've been hosed enough over the years, especially Houston.

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2 hours ago, crashcarson15 said:

I think it is far more likely than most people assume that the Big Ten (and SEC) will stand pat for the next several years than rapidly expand; I know it's easy for us to jump to some "world domination" concept, and maybe we get there eventually once we're a lot closer to the ACC's GoR expiring, but this is all about increasing the TV revenue share for each current Big Ten school, and if the Big Ten thought that Oregon and Washington would do that, they'd already be in the conference (not to mention, why would UCLA and USC want to share the west coast recruiting landscape?).

 

At the end of the day, there aren't very many programs that truly move the needle left outside the Big Ten and SEC. There may be a point where Big Ten and SEC schools are willing to give up money just for the sole purpose of choking out the ACC and Big XII, but I don't think that's going to happen soon and don't think there's necessarily real value in it to either conference right now.

 

EDIT: Also, Notre Dame could not care less about Stanford. That series is a convenient excuse to get to play in the Bay Area every other Thanksgiving for recruiting/donor/general happiness purposes, not an actual rivalry.

I'd say they'll be up to 20 by 2026 or 2028 at the latest.  What I expect we'll see is the 8 team playoffs come into play, with these two all but guaranteed to have 2-3 bids as long as the top half of the league has less than 2 losses.

 

Good point about Notre Dame, if they are able to play at UCLA every year they host USC at home, they'll still have that California road game built in every year. 

3 hours ago, BBTV said:

Doesn't the Rose bowl usually have the Pac10 champ vs the B1G champ unless it's a playoff game or either of those teams are in the CFP?

 

Given the lack of marquee programs in the Pac# after USC/UCLA leave, would the Rose Bowl still want that deal?  Forgive me for my lack of CFB knowledge, but I assume Oregon would be the presumptive favorite in the league every year (unless it bolts too.) 

 

Obviously Oregon has been in the Rose Bowl plenty of times so it's not like it would be any kind of drop off, but if the prestige of the conference as a whole is as low as I'm reading that it will be, is it possible (if not likely) that the Rose Bowl would want a deal with another conference (not that there's many to choose from anymore.)

 

 

Yes, and unless the Pac-12/10 gets dismantled to 8 teams or less I'd expect this to still be the case. But if we see an expanded playoffs, they'll be part of that every year unless they actually let lower tier bowls host the first rounds. 

5 hours ago, McCall said:

If those schools end up in the Big XII, I wouldn't be surprised to see Stanford and Cal eventually wind up in the Big Ten. Stanford is one of the top academic institutions in the country and has a decent sports program. Pair that with bringing  in the Bay Area market, and it makes for a pretty appealing addition to now having the LA market. Cal would work as a "travel partner" school for Stanford and the LA schools.

Finding west coast opponents for UCLA and USC would probably call for these two, or Oregon and Washington, to come into the Big Ten. 

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38 minutes ago, MJWalker45 said:

I'd say they'll be up to 20 by 2026 or 2028 at the latest.  What I expect we'll see is the 8 team playoffs come into play, with these two all but guaranteed to have 2-3 bids as long as the top half of the league has less than 2 losses.

 

Good point about Notre Dame, if they are able to play at UCLA every year they host USC at home, they'll still have that California road game built in every year. 

Yes, and unless the Pac-12/10 gets dismantled to 8 teams or less I'd expect this to still be the case. But if we see an expanded playoffs, they'll be part of that every year unless they actually let lower tier bowls host the first rounds. 

Finding west coast opponents for UCLA and USC would probably call for these two, or Oregon and Washington, to come into the Big Ten. 

I think Oregon/Washington/Stanford would be their target. Maybe Cal as a fallback. Don't see Oregon State/Washington State in the Big Ten. In fact, them getting into the Big XII would probably be the only way those 2 schools stay in a Power 5 conference, assuming the PAC is picked apart. Not sure if that happens if Oregon/UW end up there instead of the Big Ten.

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I’m starting to wonder if these moves are going to compel some of the bigger schools to eventually do something that’s probably completely surprising to all of us right now and just cut their football programs altogether. Like, how much enthusiasm does a school like UC Berkeley really have for football? Could an institution like Colorado look at the numbers and think they may be better off spending their limited sports money elsewhere? I know out west at least in places like the Bay Area there is basically nothing coming from people other than apathy on the recent PAC 12 moves. Why bother keeping something so expensive when you can’t even fill your stadiums for games against teams like Notre Dame (Which I’ve seen at Stanford games)? 

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16 minutes ago, FiddySicks said:

I’m starting to wonder if these moves are going to compel some of the bigger schools to eventually do something that’s probably completely surprising to all of us right now and just cut their football programs altogether.

 

Great point. If UCLA was just barely scraping by, WTF are they doing with a big-time football program?

 

You know that graphic that shows the #1 paid public employee in most states is a football coach? It would be nice if that weren't the case for any state. It's absurd to take money -- at a time of rampant income inequality -- from people who don't have any and give it to sports programs.

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1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said:

and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags

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