infrared41 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 If you thought I was calling you a liar, I am sorry. But I was not calling you a liar. To explain this, I will summarize our entire discussion.1. You said Kurt Warner would not make the HOF.2. I replied that your opinion is in the minority, that most pundits think he is.3. You said that I must not be hearing the same pundits as you. You also wrote about your resume.4. In referring to your resume, I wrote "If that's true", which is simply me saying "I have no way of knowing if that's true or not, but let's assume it is". In no way was I calling you a liar. I have no idea or opinion as to whether you are who you say you are.In that same post, I specified that by "pundits", I am referring to those pundits who have played or are playing NFL football. I then asked you if you had heard "very many" NFL pundits say that Kurt is not HOF material.5/ You said "Yes". I accepted that answer and asked you if you had heard as many say that as those who say he is. I then said I doubt it. You will notice that the "I doubt it" was not in response to your "yes" answer, but was in fact a prediction of the way you would answer the question "As many as you've heard say he is a future HOFer?". No "liar" accusation have I made against you.Fair enough. I misunderstood and I apologize. No hard feelings on my end. We got off to a rough start. What do you say we try this again?For what it's worth, I don't want you to get the wrong impression on how I view Kurt Warner. I really like him as a player. His story is one of the better rags to riches stories in sports. That said, I just wonder if his story leads people to be less critical when they judge his accomplishments. Warner had a really good NFL career. I just don't think it's a hall of fame career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Kurt Warner helped turn chicken into chicken soup on two teams. He was only as good as the coach on the other. and his Post season stats speak for themselves. HOF....Yep He also didn't win a start for 2 years in the middle of his career. That also speaks for itself. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Terrell Davis, Boomer Esiason, Mark Moseley (PK....I you not, a kicker was the 1982 NFL MVP), Ken Anderson, Brian Sipe, Bert Jones, Ken Stabler, Larry Brown, John Brodie, Roman GabrielThats a longer list than I had expected. But doesn't include any 2 time winners (I am right there yes?) That has to put Warner close to automatic. Beyond the inconsistency of a few bad years, I am struggling to find a reason to be against Warner's inclusion. And even then, the fact that he came back from the mid career dip and lead the Cardinals (the Cardinals for goodness sake) to the Superbowl adds to his claims IMO.The two MVPs are kind of fluky IMO. He had the stats, sure, but was he personally most critical to the Rams' success? For what its worth, Faulk was named the Rams MVP by the team those seasons, and was the NFL offensive player of the year as well.I think of Warner being a 2 time MVP in the same way we think of Steve Nash as a 2 time MVP. The sort of "Really? Well, I guess he had good years those seasons, but he's sort of a liability on defense and was he the best player in the league for two years? *shrugs*" opinion. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldRamsFan Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Fair enough. I misunderstood and I apologize. No hard feelings on my end. We got off to a rough start. What do you say we try this again?Thanks. No hard feelings here, either. Again, I am sorry for my part in the misunderstanding.For what it's worth, I don't want you to get the wrong impression on how I view Kurt Warner. I really like him as a player. His story is one of the better rags to riches stories in sports. That said, I just wonder if his story leads people to be less critical when they judge his accomplishments. Warner had a really good NFL career. I just don't think it's a hall of fame career.That's fine, we're all entitled to our opinions. We just differ. And for what it's worth, it's his total yardage, accuracy, QB rating and Super Bowl runs that cause me to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldRamsFan Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 The two MVPs are kind of fluky IMO. He had the stats, sure, but was he personally most critical to the Rams' success? For what its worth, Faulk was named the Rams MVP by the team those seasons, and was the NFL offensive player of the year as well.Faulk had an outstanding career, that's for sure. But so did Bruce. They were all critical to the Rams' success. However, I personally think that of the 3, Faulk was the most dispensable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintsfan Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 My point on Warner's 2 MVP awards is not how merited they where, but that he won them, and not many guys have done that, and is the kind of thing that should be considered when considering a HoF case. I think to not get in after 2 MVP awards would be strange! Honestly I think you would have to say he was one of the 4 best QBs in his decade, and Brady, Peyton and Roethlisberger will all get in surely, I would put Warner in that bracket as well. 2011/12 WFL Champions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Quarterbacks of the Decade1. Peyton Manning2. Tom Brady3. Ben Roethlisberger4. Kyle Orton ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 My point on Warner's 2 MVP awards is not how merited they where, but that he won them, and not many guys have done that, and is the kind of thing that should be considered when considering a HoF case. I think to not get in after 2 MVP awards would be strange! Honestly I think you would have to say he was one of the 4 best QBs in his decade, and Brady, Peyton and Roethlisberger will all get in surely, I would put Warner in that bracket as well.As of right now I would put Warner ahead of Roethlisberger, but that does not mean Big Ben will pass him in the end, I think he needs to do a little more individually, like win a MVP, pass for more yards, and Touchdowns, for the most part he has been on running offenses. www.sportsecyclopedia.com For the best in sports history go to the Sports E-Cyclopedia at http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 The two MVPs are kind of fluky IMO. He had the stats, sure, but was he personally most critical to the Rams' success? For what its worth, Faulk was named the Rams MVP by the team those seasons, and was the NFL offensive player of the year as well.Faulk had an outstanding career, that's for sure. But so did Bruce. They were all critical to the Rams' success. However, I personally think that of the 3, Faulk was the most dispensable.Yeah....and that's why the GSOT Rams started sucking wind whenever they faced a defensive game plan that focused on locking Faulk down. It happened in both Super Bowls, and in both Super Bowls the offense repeatedly sputtered and stalled. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 My point on Warner's 2 MVP awards is not how merited they where, but that he won them, and not many guys have done that, and is the kind of thing that should be considered when considering a HoF case. I think to not get in after 2 MVP awards would be strange! Honestly I think you would have to say he was one of the 4 best QBs in his decade, and Brady, Peyton and Roethlisberger will all get in surely, I would put Warner in that bracket as well.Season MVP awards should carry slightly more weight than Super Bowl MVP awards, but not that much more. They are indicators of popularity and media presence as much as they are indicators of actual skill, and say nothing about the constant, consistent excellence that a Hall of Famer needs throughout their career. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerfan94 Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Warner has some pretty impressive playoff/superbowl stats. Wether he gets in to the HOF or not,he was a class act. Humble and a pretty damn good role model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Quarterbacks of the Decade1. Peyton Manning2. Tom Brady3. Ben Roethlisberger4. Kyle Orton The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Quarterbacks of the Decade1. Peyton Manning2. Tom Brady3. Ben Roethlisberger4. Kyle OrtonI'm guessing it's time to take your sarcasm detector in for a tune up. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 It's out of whack because I know too many people in Denver trying to kid themselves into thinking he's better than he is. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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