2010 MLB Season Thread

[The_Admiral]

Oh crap, they're actually gonna Fire Omar. I hope Tank doesn't have a grabber.

[NJTank]

Oh crap, they're actually gonna Fire Omar. I hope Tank doesn't have a grabber.

Where did you hear this please don't be kidding, please dont get my hopes up only to have them cruly crushed.

[The_Admiral]

http://www.metsblog.com/2010/09/30/pignataro-omar-minaya-to-be-fired/

[Sport]

Oh crap, they're actually gonna Fire Omar. I hope Tank doesn't have a grabber.

Where did you hear this please don't be kidding, please dont get my hopes up only to have them cruly crushed.

It doesn't matter. When they lose next year you'll find someone else on which to (unfairly) pin all of the blame.

[Lights Out]

Well, Tank, I guess it's time for you to start up the Fire Wilpon bandwagon now.

[FiddySicks]

So it's set. Beat the Frauds once in the next three games and the National League West belongs to the San Francisco Giants.

It looks like football may be on the back burner this weekend...

[Cujo]

So it's set. Beat the Frauds once in the next three games and the National League West belongs to the San Francisco Giants.

It looks like football may be on the back burner this weekend...

The Pads are hanging on by a thread. I don't see the NL West race stretching past Saturday.

Well, Tank, I guess it's time for you to start up the Fire Wilpon bandwagon now.

GAHHH FIER JEFF COUPON AND BARACK OBAMA!!!1!111

[IronChefShark]

So it's set. Beat the Frauds once in the next three games and the National League West belongs to the San Francisco Giants.

It looks like football may be on the back burner this weekend...

The Giants need to end this thing on Friday, that way Brian Wilson can be labeled as unavailable for the last two games of the Padres series.

Im just concerned with all of these 4-out and 5-out saves catching up to him in the playoffs.

EDIT- Just occured to me that Cain is starting tomorrow. Bochy must have ZERO confidence in Zito right now

[FiddySicks]

And thank you Cubbies, taking three of four from San Diego helps the Giants out tremendously. Win one of the next four and the division title is back up north.

[Still MIGHTY]

Well... That sucks. Just as I decide to get behind the Padres and pat attention, they're on their last lifeline.

So basically, the Padres need to sweep the Giants to force a playoff, or the Phillies have to sweep the Braves while the Padres take 2/3 to force a Wild Card playoff.

C'mon Padres... You can do it...

[The_Admiral]

The Cubs should've fired Piniella by Memorial Day if installing a new manager was gonna shock the pool this drastically. Meanwhile, how does this Fathers' Fold go down in history? Is it a big deal for them to have spectacularly blown something like a seven-game lead to San Francisco if everyone knew that this eventually had to happen?

[HedleyLamarr]

Jim Carrey plays the part of the Braves, and the old lady plays the part of the Cubs.

Thanks Cubs!

[TFoA]

The Cubbies are now fine by me.

[Still MIGHTY]

The Cubs should've fired Piniella by Memorial Day if installing a new manager was gonna shock the pool this drastically. Meanwhile, how does this Fathers' Fold go down in history? Is it a big deal for them to have spectacularly blown something like a seven-game lead to San Francisco if everyone knew that this eventually had to happen?

It probably won't be remembered that greatly really. It's the NL West this happens every year for the most part, the Padres were supposed to suck anyways, yada yada.

The only thing that really killed them was that 10+ game losing streak (I don't remember exactly how long it was). That one stretch killed them. It allowed the Giants to catch up, they flip-flopped for a couple of days, then the Giants stood pat.

It's really too bad that the Padres look like they'll get nothing for the amazing season they had. No one saw them even close to contending this year, but they've put up a fight. Now they have to muster up 3 more games to try and extend this thing.

[NJTank]

Well, Tank, I guess it's time for you to start up the Fire Wilpon bandwagon now.

Oh I am on that bandwagon, I believe the Wilpons we helping Bernie Madoff and should be indicted and forced to sell the team.

[infrared41]

If you can find pictures of Barry Bonds from season to season, it should be hard to figure out when he started juicing. I remember watching a "This Day in Baseball" video on MLB.com about 5 years or so ago. There was video of Barry Bonds from 1998 (I think) and I was shocked at how different he looked. He was a stick compared to the superhuman he was at that time. That was when I was certain he was on some kind of 'riods.

I get what you saying about the statistical anamolies, but a friend of mine was telling me something about Bond's homerun distances. Apprantely before 1999 or so, Bonds hit very few homeruns over 420 feet, but after he hit something like 50 over that distance. Now I'm just guessing on those numbers and I don't have the article in front of me. But that would be one thing to look at when it comes to Bonds. At the very least steroids extended Bonds' career and took him from a mid 500 HR guy to the homerun king.

I really don't understand Bonds did it. He already had a HOF career and he may have been looked at as a hero. Instead he probably threw all that away. I'm not sure if I feel he belongs in the HOF or not. Like I've said I'd rather wait 20 years after baseball is clean to get a real context of how the steroid era fits into baseball history. To be honest, I still don't think the game is completely clean.

1. I'm assuming you meant that with pictures it shouldn't be hard to deduce when Bonds started juicing. It wasn't. I posted pictures earlier in the thread.

2. Note that I said I was playing Devil's advocate when I brought up the lack of statistical anomalies. It wasn't an argument that he wasn't on steroids. My point was that even with the steroids, other than the 2001 season, his numbers didn't improve all that much. I was saying that he threw away his legacy for what was probably another 50 to 75 more home runs added on to his career total. The idea being that it hardly seemed worth it when you look at it that way. Sure he's MLB's all-time HR leader but the vast majority of baseball fans don't see him as the "legitimate" HR leader.

3. That's exactly what I meant when I said that other than giving him a longer career, steroids didn't seem to help him all that much. I think he could have easily reached 600-650 without steroids.

4. His career from 1986 thru 1998 was easily enough to get him into the HOF. The question becomes do you reward him for his clean career or punish him for his juiced career? Bonds is one of the few HOF caliber players from the steroid era who's career can be judged as "before and after." It's a tough call.

[TheOldRoman]

I haven't followed along with Tank's Minaya hate, but I don't get why people are making fun of it. Does anyone think he hasn't been a horrible GM?

[BaltimoreFan]

If you can find pictures of Barry Bonds from season to season, it should be hard to figure out when he started juicing. I remember watching a "This Day in Baseball" video on MLB.com about 5 years or so ago. There was video of Barry Bonds from 1998 (I think) and I was shocked at how different he looked. He was a stick compared to the superhuman he was at that time. That was when I was certain he was on some kind of 'riods.

I get what you saying about the statistical anamolies, but a friend of mine was telling me something about Bond's homerun distances. Apprantely before 1999 or so, Bonds hit very few homeruns over 420 feet, but after he hit something like 50 over that distance. Now I'm just guessing on those numbers and I don't have the article in front of me. But that would be one thing to look at when it comes to Bonds. At the very least steroids extended Bonds' career and took him from a mid 500 HR guy to the homerun king.

I really don't understand Bonds did it. He already had a HOF career and he may have been looked at as a hero. Instead he probably threw all that away. I'm not sure if I feel he belongs in the HOF or not. Like I've said I'd rather wait 20 years after baseball is clean to get a real context of how the steroid era fits into baseball history. To be honest, I still don't think the game is completely clean.

1. I'm assuming you meant that with pictures it shouldn't be hard to deduce when Bonds started juicing. It wasn't. I posted pictures earlier in the thread.

2. Note that I said I was playing Devil's advocate when I brought up the lack of statistical anomalies. It wasn't an argument that he wasn't on steroids. My point was that even with the steroids, other than the 2001 season, his numbers didn't improve all that much. I was saying that he threw away his legacy for what was probably another 50 to 75 more home runs added on to his career total. The idea being that it hardly seemed worth it when you look at it that way. Sure he's MLB's all-time HR leader but the vast majority of baseball fans don't see him as the "legitimate" HR leader.

3. That's exactly what I meant when I said that other than giving him a longer career, steroids didn't seem to help him all that much. I think he could have easily reached 600-650 without steroids.

4. His career from 1986 thru 1998 was easily enough to get him into the HOF. The question becomes do you reward him for his clean career or punish him for his juiced career? Bonds is one of the few HOF caliber players from the steroid era who's career can be judged as "before and after." It's a tough call.

1. Yea, I meant shouldn't. I am too lazy to look up pictures from season to season. I didn't see/remember you posting pictures in the thread, but 1999 sounds about right. Its just funny how his body went from stick figure to superhero after one offseason.

2. Ok I get what you're saying now. It really doesn't make any sense why he threw it all away. I can only think that he was jealous of the attention McGwire and Sosa were getting for hitting more homeruns. Or it was some kind of racist thing where he wanted to bring the white man down (isn't that what he said when passing Ruth on the charts).

3. I agree, I just said mid-500s to be safe and assume a Ken Griffey Jr like end of his career.

4. Again when it comes to almost all players in the steroid era, I'd rather just postpone HOF judgement. Yes, Bonds did have a HOF career without roids. But I'd rather see how steroids fit into baseball history before deciding who belongs. It may be the case that they are no big deal and its a moot point or they could be a big deal and negate his career prior to use (or anything in between). I wish most of the writers would postpone their judgements as well to take some of the emotions out of their decisions and add some perspective as well.

[infrared41]

I haven't followed along with Tank's Minaya hate, but I don't get why people are making fun of it. Does anyone think he hasn't been a horrible GM?

And that's why you don't get the joke.

[The_Admiral]

So apparently Minaya AND Manuel are gone. Happy Tank Day!