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AHL hockey is probably more realistic for a market where it's never going to be more than a very small niche. Let greater Phoenix and the (snort, chuckle) Jobing.com Arena prove themselves on a smaller scale and maybe they can get an NHL team back down the road.

Phoenix has had difficulty supporting the various incarnations of the Roadrunners. Who?s to say if the Yotes move, that there would be an AHL team in Phoenix to root for?

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Jobing.com [edit: again, snort!] Arena was not built to house an AHL franchise.

That's more or less what they housed for the last five years. Besides, it would be comparable to the arenas in Cleveland, San Antonio, Houston, Rosemont, Charlotte, and Milwaukee, fine facilities all. It's not a league of little barns in cozy old northeastern towns anymore (whether or not it should be is debatable). If it's going to be a national circuit of big cities that probably kinda might like hockey but not really, Phoenix is the perfect fit. Also, if the NHL leaves, Phoenix should still get the 2011 All-Star Game. It would be a nice mid-winter reward for players, and it would bring in all the fans of teams back home.

Phoenix has had difficulty supporting the various incarnations of the Roadrunners. Who's to say if the Yotes move, that there would be an AHL team in Phoenix to root for?

Look, I'm trying to think positive here. I'm trying to be a friend to Phoenix and a friend to America. So then they've had difficulty supporting hockey in every iteration. Then I don't know what to do. Maybe people should stop trying to run ice hockey teams in a goddamned desert. I don't know. I wasn't the guy that decided to build a big freaking arena in a region that couldn't fill event dates for two major buildings.

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:cursing: Jobing.com Arena wasn't built to house an AHL franchise.

Neither was the Spectrum, and that pretty much extended its life by another decade.

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Jobing.com [edit: again, snort!] Arena was not built to house an AHL franchise.

That's more or less what they housed for the last five years. Besides, it would be comparable to the arenas in Cleveland, San Antonio, Houston, Rosemont, Charlotte, and Milwaukee, fine facilities all. It's not a league of little barns in cozy old northeastern towns anymore (whether or not it should be is debatable). If it's going to be a national circuit of big cities that probably kinda might like hockey but not really, Phoenix is the perfect fit. Also, if the NHL leaves, Phoenix should still get the 2011 All-Star Game. It would be a nice mid-winter reward for players, and it would bring in all the fans of teams back home.

Phoenix has had difficulty supporting the various incarnations of the Roadrunners. Who's to say if the Yotes move, that there would be an AHL team in Phoenix to root for?

Look, I'm trying to think positive here. I'm trying to be a friend to Phoenix and a friend to America. So then they've had difficulty supporting hockey in every iteration. Then I don't know what to do. Maybe people should stop trying to run ice hockey teams in a goddamned desert. I don't know. I wasn't the guy that decided to build a big freaking arena in a region that couldn't fill event dates for two major buildings.

One of the few positives out of this mess in Phoenix, is that the Coyotes are in the playoffs this season.

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AHL hockey is probably more realistic for a market where it's never going to be more than a very small niche. Let greater Phoenix and the (snort, chuckle) Jobing.com Arena prove themselves on a smaller scale and maybe they can get an NHL team back down the road.

Phoenix has had difficulty supporting the various incarnations of the Roadrunners. Who?s to say if the Yotes move, that there would be an AHL team in Phoenix to root for?

I thought the IHL Roadrunners did fairly well. Obviously, they had to close up shop once the Coyotes came in, but they seemed to have a fairly decent go of it up until then.

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cursing.gif Jobing.com Arena wasn't built to house an AHL franchise.

In a year or two it won't be housing an NHL franchise either.

I'm sure it's a perfectly fine facility to host job fairs in though. "Come to the Greater Phoenix job fair, this Friday at the Jobbing.com Areana". Or it could host Monster Truck rallies, or be turned in to the new Glendale Public Library. Think of all the books they could cram in there!

Just playing... sort of.

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I'm sure it's a perfectly fine facility to host job fairs in though. "Come to the Greater Phoenix job fair, this Friday at the Jobbing.com Areana".

Too far away!

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cursing.gif Jobing.com Arena wasn't built to house an AHL franchise.

In a year or two it won't be housing an NHL franchise either.

I'm sure it's a perfectly fine facility to host job fairs in though. "Come to the Greater Phoenix job fair, this Friday at the Jobbing.com Areana". Or it could host Monster Truck rallies, or be turned in to the new Glendale Public Library. Think of all the books they could cram in there!

Just playing... sort of.

If they start spelling it that way, it'll be a natural for WWE events.

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I'll second the motion that the Chicago Wolves and Hartford Wolf Pack move to the NHL,

with Atlanta and Phoenix going to the AHL.

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I'll second the motion that the Chicago Wolves and Hartford Wolf Pack move to the NHL,

with Atlanta and Phoenix going to the AHL.

Hartford needs fans first.

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I'll second the motion that the Chicago Wolves and Hartford Wolf Pack move to the NHL,

with Atlanta and Phoenix going to the AHL.

I don't think anyone made that motion in the first place.

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I'll second the motion that the Chicago Wolves and Hartford Wolf Pack move to the NHL,

with Atlanta and Phoenix going to the AHL.

I don't think anyone made that motion in the first place.

You may be right. I think I got the idea from this:

I really think the Chicago Wolves should just be independent. They're probably more profitable than the Atlanta Thrashers are, and are clearly much more concerned with coordinating Al Secord Bobblehead Night than working with their nominal parent team (and no parent team is more nominal than this one) to develop talent. Field a team of NHL washouts like Chelios and KHL-ish guys who are beholden to no one and tear up the league.

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Well, it's almost been a year so lets check on "Glendale North"

City won't even let taxpayers know how much they are on the hook for this season.

Please note that the Heat's attendance is down slightly and the city paid almost half a million last season as per the agreement.

Whoopsie.

Also for the LULZ

Sadly, most of the savings went straight to the goddamn hockey team.

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Jesus Christ, Chilliwack is maybe-MAYBE-30 miles from Abbotsford. Oh, there's NO way the two cities will skeletonize each other for fanbase. Can the Flames NOT figure out a way to keep their farm team out of Canucks territory?

The only advantages to this kind of move are 1. The Flames being able to use the same jerseys and logo for the 'Wack as they do for the parent club, and 2. Abby changing their name from that stupid "Heat" to something more reflective of the community, like "Meth Dogs" or something.

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Jesus Christ, Chilliwack is maybe-MAYBE-30 miles from Abbotsford. Oh, there's NO way the two cities will skeletonize each other for fanbase. Can the Flames NOT figure out a way to keep their farm team out of Canucks territory?

The only advantages to this kind of move are 1. The Flames being able to use the same jerseys and logo for the 'Wack as they do for the parent club, and 2. Abby changing their name from that stupid "Heat" to something more reflective of the community, like "Meth Dogs" or something.

21 miles, actually.

If the dominoes fall like this, it actually benefits Abbotsford in the short-term, because now they have a travel partner to split travel costs for every single team that comes in from 2,000 miles away. In fact, if they can sucker Langley into sinking millions into their own 7,000-seat arena, then they could have a nice little provincial road trip cluster. You know, just like Austin, Houston, and San Antonio, except those three are actual cities that have the capacity to support high-minor hockey and won't wither and die after pissing away millions of subsidized travel costs. But other than that, exactly the same.

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I wonder what the price points for AHL hockey would be relative to WHL. If they're about the same, then this grand shuffle doesn't really accomplish much more than squeezing the useless ECHL out of Victoria. It also helps with AHL travel, like you said, though I still don't think it's a bright idea for the AHL to be west of the Mississippi.

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Jesus Christ, Chilliwack is maybe-MAYBE-30 miles from Abbotsford. Oh, there's NO way the two cities will skeletonize each other for fanbase. Can the Flames NOT figure out a way to keep their farm team out of Canucks territory?

The only advantages to this kind of move are 1. The Flames being able to use the same jerseys and logo for the 'Wack as they do for the parent club, and 2. Abby changing their name from that stupid "Heat" to something more reflective of the community, like "Meth Dogs" or something.

21 miles, actually.

If the dominoes fall like this, it actually benefits Abbotsford in the short-term, because now they have a travel partner to split travel costs for every single team that comes in from 2,000 miles away. In fact, if they can sucker Langley into sinking millions into their own 7,000-seat arena, then they could have a nice little provincial road trip cluster. You know, just like Austin, Houston, and San Antonio, except those three are actual cities that have the capacity to support high-minor hockey and won't wither and die after pissing away millions of subsidized travel costs. But other than that, exactly the same.

Oh, I think 5300 is probably fine.

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I know this is from a year ago, but...

Letting a city go bankrupt just to house a hockey team is downright depressing.

...oh, the irony... :lol:

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