Giants/Jets new endzones

[njmeadowlanders]

When they had astroturf at Giants Stadium the Jets and Giants endzones were changed every week. They popped right in and out and were interchangeable. I'm sure its the same exact method only with field turf in place of astroturf.

[powersurge]

Also, I'm not sure if the Giants really "accepted" the Jets as tenants, or the NJ sports authority (or whoever ran Giants Stadium) signed them up. Either way, part of the Giants lease was that they had to sign off on any name change, so since it probably wasn't their idea to share the stadium, why would they approve a change without some kind of financial compensation?

Exactly. That being said I doubt the Giants and or the NJ Authority had any problem with another team paying them extra money while using the facility when they weren't around. Kind of like being able to rent your condo while you are still living in it but only having that person be there when you were away. Seems like a win-win situation to me.

On a related note...Anyone that really believes that having TWO football stadiums in New York would have been a great idea needs to second guess their thinking on that one. Its not like baseball, where you could have TWO teams drawing as much as 45-50K people attending 81 games per year. With football...you have up to 60-70K people attending 8 regular season games per year. BIG DIFFERENCE. Two football stadiums in one town makes absolutely no sense. I think in the end it was a smart move building ONE facility in the Meadowlands.

[IceCap]

Ideally both teams would play in the new West Side Stadium. I'm not one to pull the whole "THEY SHOULD BE THE NEW JERSEY JETS/GIANTS" card, but if we're talking about hypotheticals I would prefer them to be in NYC-proper.

[the admiral]

Seems like every borough but Staten Island can put the land needed for a stadium and its requisite parking to better use than this. Boston has the same problem.

[powersurge]

Ideally both teams would play in the new West Side Stadium. I'm not one to pull the whole "THEY SHOULD BE THE NEW JERSEY JETS/GIANTS" card, but if we're talking about hypotheticals I would prefer them to be in NYC-proper.

That would have been more than fine with me...and let it be known that I think it would have been more than appropriate. I was just making the comment that TWO stadiums makes NO SENSE. And it seems like from all of the articles and info that was published leading up to the finalizing of the stadium that the Giants had no plans on moving into the city so that would have thwarted a multi-team stadium deal in Manhattan anyway.

[goforbroke]

Ideally both teams would play in the new West Side Stadium. I'm not one to pull the whole "THEY SHOULD BE THE NEW JERSEY JETS/GIANTS" card, but if we're talking about hypotheticals I would prefer them to be in NYC-proper.

Idealy for who? Idealy for the few dozen folks on these boards (myself included) who obesess over the minutia of sports logos and branding, or for the 80 thousand Jets and Giants fans who for 30 years have spent every other sunday in the fall/winter tailgating in the meadowlands? Any American football fan knows that tailgating is as much a part of football as the game itself and taking that away from them is a travesy (as is $10,000 PSLs but thats another story)

While yes it would be sorta nice if the Jets and Giants actually played in New York state somewhere if not within the confines of NYC, there is no feasable place they could do so with the possible exception of Flushing meadows where Citi Field is. That actually would have been a perfect place for a Jets-Only stadium because of their Long Island fanbase and large parking lot. However, since it is much more cost effective to split the pricetag on one stadium rather than buy one apiece, its just the best solution for all involved the stay in the same place they have for 30 years.

As for corporate naming rghts... either Jet Blue Stadium or Green Giant Stadium works for me.

[BlueSky]

When they had astroturf at Giants Stadium the Jets and Giants endzones were changed every week. They popped right in and out and were interchangeable. I'm sure its the same exact method only with field turf in place of astroturf.

I don't think it's quite that simple since Field Turf is very different from Astroturf.

Astroturf was a one-piece deal, like carpet. Lay it down, attach it at the seams, and you're done. With Field Turf they have a base layer and then they add those rubber pellets or whatever. I'm no expert but that's my understanding of it.

[goforbroke]

F ing Dolans.

They were worried about losing concerts to the new venue three blocks west, so they sunk a ton of money into ads opposing the project. All the whinging about "tax money being taken from fire fighters and teachers" was coming from an organization which hasn't paid any property taxes since 1982.

They should have built the West Side Stadium. But the Dolans had their way, and so the Jets were forced to look elsewhere. Seemed like a good idea to partner with the Giants on their new stadium, already in progress.

The Dolans also screwed their own fans out of a new Knicks/Rangers arena. The city wanted the team to build a new arena across the street (how often does NYC actually give land away and ASK someone to build an arean?) but that's what happened. NY wanted the curren MSG to build a new Penn Station and instead of playing along and giving Knicks/Rangers a new arena stubborn fat Jim Dolan refused to help out the city and is instead giving the arena a 500 million dollar paint job. While I'm looking forward to the refurbished MSG there's no comparison to a refurbished stadium and a brand new one.

MSG is only 4 years younger than Shea, its 8 years older than Giants Stadium and like 16 years older than Izod center and all of them are being or have been replaced. So now of the major sports arenas in the area MSG is 42 years old, followed by Nassau Colliseum at 38, then (ready?) Prudential Center at 3. No counting Izod because that's being replaced. Yankee Stadium, Citi Field, new Meadowlands, Barclays , even Red Bull Arena. All brand new state of the art stadiums and then MSG with a new paint job coming in 2011. yippee!

What a terrible terrible owner. By far the worst in sports.

[IceCap]

Ideally both teams would play in the new West Side Stadium. I'm not one to pull the whole "THEY SHOULD BE THE NEW JERSEY JETS/GIANTS" card, but if we're talking about hypotheticals I would prefer them to be in NYC-proper.

Idealy for who? Idealy for the few dozen folks on these boards (myself included) who obesess over the minutia of sports logos and branding, or for the 80 thousand Jets and Giants fans who for 30 years have spent every other sunday in the fall/winter tailgating in the meadowlands? Any American football fan knows that tailgating is as much a part of football as the game itself and taking that away from them is a travesy (as is $10,000 PSLs but thats another story)

While yes it would be sorta nice if the Jets and Giants actually played in New York state somewhere if not within the confines of NYC, there is no feasable place they could do so with the possible exception of Flushing meadows where Citi Field is. That actually would have been a perfect place for a Jets-Only stadium because of their Long Island fanbase and large parking lot. However, since it is much more cost effective to split the pricetag on one stadium rather than buy one apiece, its just the best solution for all involved the stay in the same place they have for 30 years.

The Medowlands and NYC-proper are, if I have my facts right, within reasonable travel distance to each other. I doubt the fans who have always made their way out to the Medowlands for Jets and Giants games would be inconvenienced by having to travel to the theoretical West Side Stadium.

As for tailgating, maybe it's just me, but I find it silly to base a potential stadium location on how well it accommodates tailgaters. I'm sure they would find ways to cope with a West Side Stadium.

[Gothamite]

Heck, I thought they should have designated the top levels of the parking structures as tailgating zones. How cool would it have been to tailgate on the New York skyline?

But powersurge is right about the relative use of baseball and football stadia. I was opposed to putting a baseball park on the West Side, because of the traffic issues. Baseball involves 81 home games, mostly at 7ish on weeknights. Traffic hell. Football is predominantly a Sunday-afternoon sport, when the infrastructure can well handle it.

[dfwabel]

When they had astroturf at Giants Stadium the Jets and Giants endzones were changed every week. They popped right in and out and were interchangeable. I'm sure its the same exact method only with field turf in place of astroturf.

I don't think it's quite that simple since Field Turf is very different from Astroturf.

Astroturf was a one-piece deal, like carpet. Lay it down, attach it at the seams, and you're done. With Field Turf they have a base layer and then they add those rubber pellets or whatever. I'm no expert but that's my understanding of it.

FieldTurf has apparently resolved that issue. According to their press release, "the New Meadowlands Stadium will utilize the world?s only full color, removable end zone and midfield markings, allowing both the NY Jets and NY Giants to display all team appropriate field/end zone logos and markings during home games. Most notably, this development will allow the midfield marking to change and be team appropriate for the first time."

How? Ask them, not me.

[PurpleRush]

Don't they just get a machine and roll the strips up into a ball?

Then just unroll them where they need to be?

[02Rover]

Remember when the Saints and Tulane used the Superdome (maybe still do, not sure) and one end zone said "Saints" in thier colors and the other said "Tulane" in theirs?? Why not just do that?

ps. Gueman, I see your sig pic is cute. Dont think that Clevelanders wont be lining up for YEARS to do that to Modell. It will be an annual thing if not more often. It will be a right of passage passed down by Browns fans from generation to generation.

[BBTV]

Remember when the Saints and Tulane used the Superdome (maybe still do, not sure) and one end zone said "Saints" in thier colors and the other said "Tulane" in theirs?? Why not just do that?

Probably because it would be dumb.

[Waleslax]

Ideally both teams would play in the new West Side Stadium. I'm not one to pull the whole "THEY SHOULD BE THE NEW JERSEY JETS/GIANTS" card, but if we're talking about hypotheticals I would prefer them to be in NYC-proper.

Idealy for who? Idealy for the few dozen folks on these boards (myself included) who obesess over the minutia of sports logos and branding, or for the 80 thousand Jets and Giants fans who for 30 years have spent every other sunday in the fall/winter tailgating in the meadowlands? Any American football fan knows that tailgating is as much a part of football as the game itself and taking that away from them is a travesy (as is $10,000 PSLs but thats another story)

While yes it would be sorta nice if the Jets and Giants actually played in New York state somewhere if not within the confines of NYC, there is no feasable place they could do so with the possible exception of Flushing meadows where Citi Field is. That actually would have been a perfect place for a Jets-Only stadium because of their Long Island fanbase and large parking lot. However, since it is much more cost effective to split the pricetag on one stadium rather than buy one apiece, its just the best solution for all involved the stay in the same place they have for 30 years.

As for corporate naming rghts... either Jet Blue Stadium or Green Giant Stadium works for me.

New York, Ner Jersey and Connecticut are often referred to as "The New York Metro Region." As such, NY Jets/Giants works.

Remember when we had the NY/NJ Knights of the WLAF? Or the NY/NJ Metro Stars in soccer? It just looks silly.

[Lee.]

Giants Stadium was a stupider name as soon as the Jets started playing there. At least Meadowlands Stadium doesn't have a clear bias towards one tenant.

But Giants Stadium was built for the Giants. It was the home of the Giants alone for about 15 years. They allowed the Jets to share facilities, but it was still the Giants' home.

Yeah, but if they didn't want to change the name and focus of the stadium, they shouldn't have accepted the Jets as tenants. I mean look at the Lakers/Clippers setup in LA - it was going to be built for just the Lakers until the Clippers, Kings, and Sparks joined on. Clearly, the Lakers are the marquee tenants with all their recent titles, but it's still called the Staples Center, not Lakers Arena.

Yeah, not unsurprisingly, you're wrong. The Kings/Anschultz own and operate the Staples Center. Everyone else is a tenant.

[02Rover]

Remember when the Saints and Tulane used the Superdome (maybe still do, not sure) and one end zone said "Saints" in thier colors and the other said "Tulane" in theirs?? Why not just do that?

Probably because it would be dumb.

Great informative take, d-bag. Appreicate the input.

[scraw28]

here is some from the old stadium

[andrewharrington]

My favorite part of this thread is the actual use of the non-word, "stupider". As someone who has more soul and more rythym than me said once, "Oh no you di'int."

'Stupider' is most certainly a word. It appears in every English dictionary, however, most native speakers have adopted the phrase 'more stupid' as the preferred comparative form of the word 'stupid.' Interestingly, the word 'stupidest' (also a word) has not suffered the same fate; it is still viewed as acceptable for use by the majority of native English speakers, not having been supplanted by the phrase 'most stupid' as the preferred superlative form of 'stupid,'

For example, take the sentence, "Jack was much stupider than Jill." While correct, most native English speakers would prefer (or demand) this sentence read "Jack was much more stupid than Jill." Conversely, the sentence, "That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard!" is mostly viewed as acceptable while the sentence "That's the most stupid thing I've ever heard!" comes across as overly formal to many English speakers.

TODAY'S LESSON: You probably should know what you're talking about (or at least look it up to make sure) before you go spouting off with your Grammar Gestapo attitude and a clever quote to boot.

[Billy B]

Remember when the Saints and Tulane used the Superdome (maybe still do, not sure) and one end zone said "Saints" in thier colors and the other said "Tulane" in theirs?? Why not just do that?

Probably because it would be dumb.

Great informative take, d-bag. Appreicate the input.

It just doesn't really make sense to have one endzone say "Giants" and one say "Jets" when they're able to switch the end zones so that each team gets their name in both end zones when they are home. It's even better that they will be able for each team to have their logo at the 50 now.