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Considering I'm not a USC fan, I don't know nor do I give a crap about what goes on with the program. I guarantee they don't get as much press as an SEC program, though. Also, when did I ever say I lived in LA? I don't actually, I don't even live in California, but I just like the Clippers.

So you were trying to argue with me about the Clippers space in the LA sports landscape, yet you don't even live here. I think that takes away your credibility about what goes on in the stands at Staples. This also debunks your next comment I quote, because if you're not here how do you even know what the actual fanbases are like? You just happen to like the Clippers? You have all of these opinions about people and fan bases that you aren't near the heart of? Okay.

He lost any shot at credibility over in the political thread. The guy just likes to argue.

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Considering I'm not a USC fan, I don't know nor do I give a crap about what goes on with the program. I guarantee they don't get as much press as an SEC program, though. Also, when did I ever say I lived in LA? I don't actually, I don't even live in California, but I just like the Clippers.

So you were trying to argue with me about the Clippers space in the LA sports landscape, yet you don't even live here. I think that takes away your credibility about what goes on in the stands at Staples. This also debunks your next comment I quote, because if you're not here how do you even know what the actual fanbases are like? You just happen to like the Clippers? You have all of these opinions about people and fan bases that you aren't near the heart of? Okay.

He lost any shot at credibility over in the political thread. The guy just likes to argue.

That's kinda why I steer away from the political thread in total. Politics just goes around around in argument, and most people in that thread just like the argument. I go in there just to see what the opinions are that are being thrown back and forth, occasionally there is an actual fact put forth. I don't need the stress haha.

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Bottom line, if LeBron James cares as much about his hometown as he says he does, he'll stay A. because he doesn't want it to end the way it did in Cleveland, with a 20-point loss followed by a 30-point loss at home and one of the biggest media :censored:storms ever directed at a player because of his playoff performance (or lack thereof), and B. winning a championship in Cleveland is a free ticket to immortality. A single Clippers championship would be but a blip on the radar, unless there was something statistically dominant about it, whereas ending Cleveland's 46 year, three-sport championship drought and erasing in the memories of fans the infamous series of playoff pitfalls would be groundbreaking to the sports landscape, especially if it's led by a homegrown dude. Winning a championship for any team in Cleveland is the second best accomplishment for an athlete in sports right now, just behind winning a World Series for the Cubs. Of course winning one for the Knicks isn't very far down on the list, either.

I think you vastly overstate how much other people care about Cleveland.

Honestly? Once the Red Sox won a series, nothing else really compares. That was the big one, and now it's past us. Everything else is small potatoes.

I think you vastly overstate how much people care about Boston. Fact is, the person(s) who spearhead Cleveland's next championship will go down in history as the person(s) who were able to do what no one else could for 46+ years, and it will be big news. It has nothing to do with who does or doesn't care about Cleveland. Nobody cares about New Orleans and now they're America's darling. They even have their own tabloid scandal.

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Bottom line, if LeBron James cares as much about his hometown as he says he does, he'll stay A. because he doesn't want it to end the way it did in Cleveland, with a 20-point loss followed by a 30-point loss at home and one of the biggest media :censored:storms ever directed at a player because of his playoff performance (or lack thereof), and B. winning a championship in Cleveland is a free ticket to immortality. A single Clippers championship would be but a blip on the radar, unless there was something statistically dominant about it, whereas ending Cleveland's 46 year, three-sport championship drought and erasing in the memories of fans the infamous series of playoff pitfalls would be groundbreaking to the sports landscape, especially if it's led by a homegrown dude. Winning a championship for any team in Cleveland is the second best accomplishment for an athlete in sports right now, just behind winning a World Series for the Cubs. Of course winning one for the Knicks isn't very far down on the list, either.

I think you vastly overstate how much other people care about Cleveland.

Honestly? Once the Red Sox won a series, nothing else really compares. That was the big one, and now it's past us. Everything else is small potatoes.

I think you vastly overstate how much people care about Boston. Fact is, the person(s) who spearhead Cleveland's next championship will go down in history as the person(s) who were able to do what no one else could for 46+ years, and it will be big news. It has nothing to do with who does or doesn't care about Cleveland. Nobody cares about New Orleans and now they're America's darling. They even have their own tabloid scandal.

They were for like a week; if that. Any residual love for New Orleans is more because of Katrina than the Saints winning. Also, Treme is great.

And I, for one, don't care very much for Boston at all. I will say that after Bucky Dent, Carlton Fisk, Bill Buckner, Good Will Hunting, and several close calls against the Yankees in the ALCS, the Red Sox as consummate World Series bridesmaids was among the defining sports stories of the 20th century. People recognize Cleveland as a rust belt city that lost its football team, but do they really connect it as a city without championships? Or more a city that isn't really all that awesome?

Buffalo is championship-less. So is San Diego. Ditto Seattle (except for the Sonics in the late 70's). If any of those cities won a championship, would it be a nationwide celebration of mediocrity finally breaking through? Or would it be a fun story for a couple of days until some celebrity overdoses?

I appreciate that you're passionate about your teams and your city, but, again, I feel you vastly overstate how much the rest of the country cares. And to that end, any Cavaliers champions with LeBron on the team will presented as an accomplishment for LeBron first, everything else last.

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I can't really speak for the Red Sox winning the World Series thing since I'm a Sox fan, so of course I cared, and of course I'll remember the guys on that team. But I can say for certain that the Cavaliers, or any Cleveland team, winning a Championship would do nothing for me. I thought the Saints winning the Super Bowl was a pretty big deal, as was the Phillies World Series, and the Cubs winning the World Series would be huge -- probably bigger than the Red Sox in 2004 -- but Cleveland winning just wouldn't do it for me, and I have nothing against Cleveland. Lebron saving the Knicks would be a much bigger deal, in my opinion.

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Boston's 2004 championship had legs because there was so much hype about "the Curse", the heartbreakingly close calls and the general sense of second-bananahood leading up to it. That's also where the Brooklyn Dodgers were, pre-1955. The Cubs are in a similar position now, with so much attention a couple years ago on the centennial of their last championship.

Without Katrina, the 2009 Saints would be the 2002 Buccaneers. Maybe there was a little buzz in the "look - they went from worst to first" category, but it fizzled out pretty quickly. There's no real aura around that particular win, a few years on. But recovering from the near-devastation of the Crescent City gives their story a little something extra that might endure.

I just don't see any real "hook" to Cleveland's lack of championships. Yes, it sucks that the Sixth City has gone so long without. But that's it. There's no poetry, no romance to the story, and without that the eventual championship will be wonderful for the fans, but not for the ages.

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Clippers fan your never going to win. Your team sucks and that is the bottom line, I am a mets fan and every time I get in a conversation with a yankees fan they bring up 27. Atleast the mets won twice, and 19 of the yankees 27 world series were won when there were like 20 teams and the mets weren't even around it's not hard to be out 9 teams for the pennant. But just deal with it Lighsout, the clippers would have to equal the 10 and growing lakers championships to win over fans.

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Boston's 2004 championship had legs because there was so much hype about "the Curse", the heartbreakingly close calls and the general sense of second-bananahood leading up to it. That's also where the Brooklyn Dodgers were, pre-1955. The Cubs are in a similar position now, with so much attention a couple years ago on the centennial of their last championship.

Without Katrina, the 2009 Saints would be the 2002 Buccaneers. Maybe there was a little buzz in the "look - they went from worst to first" category, but it fizzled out pretty quickly. There's no real aura around that particular win, a few years on. But recovering from the near-devastation of the Crescent City gives their story a little something extra that might endure.

I just don't see any real "hook" to Cleveland's lack of championships. Yes, it sucks that the Sixth City has gone so long without. But that's it. There's no poetry, no romance to the story, and without that the eventual championship will be wonderful for the fans, but not for the ages.

IMO, the whole "the country is behind the Saints!!" thing was more of a media creation. Nobody is insensitive to what happened to the city during and after Katrina, but honestly, very few (if any) people outside of New Orleans were sitting around hoping that the Saints would win because the area suffered so much. It was great for the city and their fans, but nationally, I just don't think it was as big of a deal as it was made out to be.

The Boston win was huge because their struggles have been documented countless times in the media, in books, in documentaries, etc. It's also a large East coast media market, and one of the historical "classic" teams.

The White Sox win received little to no extra attention, even though their drought was close to 90 years? Maybe because Chicago has had other teams that have won, but then again, the Cubs winning would be a major story, nearly as big as the Red Sox (of course the Red Sox are helped by the fact that they have to go through the Yankees every year.) Bottom line - the White Sox just aren't a national story.

Unfortunately, neither is Cleveland. Nothing at all against anyone from Cleveland - I'm sure it's a fine place with fine people (except for the delusional nuts with their Cleveland-centric views of the world) but at least when it comes to sports, it is one of those nationally insignificant cities. It's not a big market, it hasn't had historically great teams or dynasties (maybe the old Browns would count, but their layoff after the move to Baltimore really hurt them) and honestly, nobody cares about Cleveland teams. I doubt that 4 out of 5 people in the country (outside of the hardest of hard core sports fans and Cleveland fans) even know that they are in a championship drought. If the Cavs were to win with LeBron, the story would be about LeBron - not Cleveland.

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Boston's 2004 championship had legs because there was so much hype about "the Curse", the heartbreakingly close calls and the general sense of second-bananahood leading up to it. That's also where the Brooklyn Dodgers were, pre-1955. The Cubs are in a similar position now, with so much attention a couple years ago on the centennial of their last championship.

Without Katrina, the 2009 Saints would be the 2002 Buccaneers. Maybe there was a little buzz in the "look - they went from worst to first" category, but it fizzled out pretty quickly. There's no real aura around that particular win, a few years on. But recovering from the near-devastation of the Crescent City gives their story a little something extra that might endure.

I just don't see any real "hook" to Cleveland's lack of championships. Yes, it sucks that the Sixth City has gone so long without. But that's it. There's no poetry, no romance to the story, and without that the eventual championship will be wonderful for the fans, but not for the ages.

IMO, the whole "the country is behind the Saints!!" thing was more of a media creation. Nobody is insensitive to what happened to the city during and after Katrina, but honestly, very few (if any) people outside of New Orleans were sitting around hoping that the Saints would win because the area suffered so much. It was great for the city and their fans, but nationally, I just don't think it was as big of a deal as it was made out to be.

The Boston win was huge because their struggles have been documented countless times in the media, in books, in documentaries, etc. It's also a large East coast media market, and one of the historical "classic" teams.

The White Sox win received little to no extra attention, even though their drought was close to 90 years? Maybe because Chicago has had other teams that have won, but then again, the Cubs winning would be a major story, nearly as big as the Red Sox (of course the Red Sox are helped by the fact that they have to go through the Yankees every year.) Bottom line - the White Sox just aren't a national story.

Unfortunately, neither is Cleveland. Nothing at all against anyone from Cleveland - I'm sure it's a fine place with fine people (except for the delusional nuts with their Cleveland-centric views of the world) but at least when it comes to sports, it is one of those nationally insignificant cities. It's not a big market, it hasn't had historically great teams or dynasties (maybe the old Browns would count, but their layoff after the move to Baltimore really hurt them) and honestly, nobody cares about Cleveland teams. I doubt that 4 out of 5 people in the country (outside of the hardest of hard core sports fans and Cleveland fans) even know that they are in a championship drought. If the Cavs were to win with LeBron, the story would be about LeBron - not Cleveland.

Interesting point.

But yes, I agree with the rest. The key is an interesting narrative. The Saints had one for their Super Bowl run, the Bucs did not. The Red Sox had one for the 2004 Series, the White Sox did not.

Cleveland's drought lacks a compelling narrative. Until somebody can identify one, I just don't see that much interest forming.

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