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Why? Up to this point, who has done more than Auburn? They have wins over MSU, South Carolina, Arkansas, and LSU. Boise State has beaten Virginia Tech and Oregon State, and their "easy" games have been infinitely easier than Auburn's. Oregon has beaten Stanford and... Tennessee? UCLA? Not much there. I would maybe even argue that Missouri and Michigan State have more impressive resumes than Oregon or Boise. The margin of victory tells a different story, but it's close nonetheless, and even so, BCS computers aren't allowed to use MoV.

If there are 2 undefeated teams, Boise State being one of them, at the end of the year, and they get left out of the Champoinship, I will agree with the accusations. But now, it's far from clear.

(I'm not saying the BCS isn't :censored:ed up. It completely is, and it needs to be completely reinvented, overhauled, or destroyed. But the standings it has this week are not that crazy.)

You've got a point, I understand ya. It just pisses me off when two polls (AP and BCS) can be so different, you can't help but question at least something.

The AP Poll top five is:

1) Oregon (44)

2) Boise State (11)

3) Auburn (3)

4) TCU (2)

5) Michigan State

....Whereas the BCS top five is:

1) Auburn

2) Oregon

3) Boise State

4) TCU

5) Michigan State

My biggest problem with the whole thing is the lack of consistency and continuity between the polls, not so much on the teams themselves. Auburn is an incredible team, I don't doubt that one bit at all. But when there is that much of a difference between the two, what's the point of having two polls at this point of the season? Why does Oregon have 44 first place votes, 41 more than Auburn, in the human poll, while the computer ranks otherwise? It's little things like this that frustrate me about the frequent differences of the polls.

Again, I have no problem with Auburn, none. It's just the frustrating differences between the polls that lead to reactions like these. Am I saying they have to be spot on alike? No, but when Oregon has 41 more first place votes than Auburn and that doesn't matter at all because a computer few trust has precedence, that's bothersome.

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Boise didn't have a choice in playing San Jose State, and before anyone says it, no, they can't just call up and join the SEC tomorrow.

Not their fault but a reason none the less.

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Boise didn't have a choice in playing San Jose State, and before anyone says it, no, they can't just call up and join the SEC tomorrow.

Yeah, I admit that was a cheap shot. :P FWIW though, Boise State is still doing a great job of distancing themselves from their WACpack and absolutely crushing those WAC teams. I mean, yeah, it's easy to knock the schedule (like I just did, lol) but they're still taking care of their business and doing what they can. Once again, the Broncos are hurt by the fact that MoV is no longer a factor. If it was, surely they'd be in the top 2.

But once again, I'm saying. Just wait for these teams to start beating up on each other once the big Rivalries & Conference Title games occur. Yeah, they're gonna slip in the rankings if the bigger schools continue to win before that point, but they will probably surge once the bigger teams lose late in the season. 'Probably' being the operative word.

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My guess is some "creative" programming designed by the BCS to keep non-AQ schools and other non-traditional programs out of #1.

And no, I'm not kidding - that's how rigged and bogus the BCS is.

Or....you're just not that smart enough to figure out why the computers don't rank Boise State all that highly.

To sniff the National Championship game, Boise State needs three things to happen:

  1. 1. All the BCS conference champions to not only have one-loss, but possibly two losses. BSU isn't going to get in over two undefeated BCS conference champions, and in some cases, 1-loss BCS conference champions.
  2. 2. BSU needs their non-conference opponents to win all their games.
  3. 3. BSU needs the WAC to win a vast majority of their non-conference games.

The more losses that BSU's opponents accumulate, the more damage that does to their computer rankings. And as the season progresses, the BCS conference teams start getting more credit for their schedule strength, while BSU starts to drop. This is why Auburn jumped to #1.

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Bowls right now look like this:

NCG: Auburn v Oregon

Rose: Michigan St v Boise St

Sugar: Alabama v Oklahoma

Fiesta: Missouri v Pittsburgh

Orange: Florida St v Ohio St

TIME! How in blazes can you say, with a straight face, that #11 Ohio State should go over #4 TCU? Let me remind you that the Horned Frogs on unbeaten right now and are higher ranked, not only in the BCS, but in both human polls at this moment.

I think I finally get it... You just hate all Non-AQ teams. Is that it, Will? Is that your jist?

It pains me to say it, but TCU's utter lack of a traveling fanbase burns them here. Ohio State brings tens of thousands of fans on the road with them wherever they go, and that is a huge factor when tossing out at larges.

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My guess is some "creative" programming designed by the BCS to keep non-AQ schools and other non-traditional programs out of #1.

And no, I'm not kidding - that's how rigged and bogus the BCS is.

You mean like tossing out margin of victory for the computer polls?

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At this point all Boise has to do is wait until some of the undefeated teams lose.

That's what Boise has been doing for weeks now while also staying undefeated for weeks. Undefeated teams losing hasn't helped them one bit.

BTW, we didn't beat up on a WAC cupcake this week - we had a bye. If you're going to criticize Boise for their schedule, at least get it right, please.

Boise can't just wait until some undefeated teams lose. They're not going to get into the top two spots unless there's only one other undefeated AQ team left. It might not be fair, but that's how it's likely going to work out. The other teams have played tougher schedules and will continue to jump Boise. By the end of the year, I'd be surprised if more than one AQ is undefeated. Boise will just have to wait longer and take care of business. If a one loss team gets into the title game instead of Boise, then it will be time to complain.

Now Illinois has a pretty good resume for a 3-loss. Their losses have come from the 5th, 6th, and 11th ranked teams and they should haveone at least one of those games. With the schedule we have left, I really think we can win at least two more and get bowl eligible. Pretty good so far considering there were predictions that had Illinois last in the Big Ten.

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Bowls right now look like this:

NCG: Auburn v Oregon

Rose: Michigan St v Boise St

Sugar: Alabama v Oklahoma

Fiesta: Missouri v Pittsburgh

Orange: Florida St v Ohio St

TIME! How in blazes can you say, with a straight face, that #11 Ohio State should go over #4 TCU? Let me remind you that the Horned Frogs on unbeaten right now and are higher ranked, not only in the BCS, but in both human polls at this moment.

I think I finally get it... You just hate all Non-AQ teams. Is that it, Will? Is that your jist?

I don't think they should. I think TCU should go. But I also think that Ohio State would make the Fiesta Bowl more money. Though maybe Wisconsin belongs there instead, it's a tossup there.

As much of a shock as this is going to be, willmorris is right on this one. Ohio State guarantees ticket sales and a boatload of money. It's not right. It's just the way it is.

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Bowls right now look like this:

NCG: Auburn v Oregon

Rose: Michigan St v Boise St

Sugar: Alabama v Oklahoma

Fiesta: Missouri v Pittsburgh

Orange: Florida St v Ohio St

TIME! How in blazes can you say, with a straight face, that #11 Ohio State should go over #4 TCU? Let me remind you that the Horned Frogs on unbeaten right now and are higher ranked, not only in the BCS, but in both human polls at this moment.

I think I finally get it... You just hate all Non-AQ teams. Is that it, Will? Is that your jist?

I don't think they should. I think TCU should go. But I also think that Ohio State would make the Fiesta Bowl more money. Though maybe Wisconsin belongs there instead, it's a tossup there.

As much of a shock as this is going to be, willmorris is right on this one. Ohio State guarantees ticket sales and a boatload of money. It's not right. It's just the way it is.

Thank god the NFL isn't run the same way, or the Super Bowl would feature Brett Favre vs. the Steelers every friggin' year.

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Bowls right now look like this:

NCG: Auburn v Oregon

Rose: Michigan St v Boise St

Sugar: Alabama v Oklahoma

Fiesta: Missouri v Pittsburgh

Orange: Florida St v Ohio St

TIME! How in blazes can you say, with a straight face, that #11 Ohio State should go over #4 TCU? Let me remind you that the Horned Frogs on unbeaten right now and are higher ranked, not only in the BCS, but in both human polls at this moment.

I think I finally get it... You just hate all Non-AQ teams. Is that it, Will? Is that your jist?

It pains me to say it, but TCU's utter lack of a traveling fanbase burns them here. Ohio State brings tens of thousands of fans on the road with them wherever they go, and that is a huge factor when tossing out at larges.

TCU has a small student body an a little alumni base compared to other schools. This is where the book, "Death to the BCS" give a valid point.

The book points out that schools are forced to but tickets in which the bowl uses to pay themselves. In the book, former Michigan AD Bill Martin told the authors that the school saved money by not going to a bowl these last two seasons. The bowl make money, the conferences make money, but the specific school may not.

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Im only rooting for two teams to finish unbeaten

Boise State and TCU I want to watch the BCS squirm or self destruct so we finally get a playoffs.

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Im only rooting for two teams to finish unbeaten

Boise State and TCU I want to watch the BCS squirm or self destruct so we finally get a playoffs.

So you hate on Utah?

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Thank you for bringing up Utah, dfwabel. ( :blink: )

TCU sits at #4 now. Where Auburn was last week. Assuming Utah keeps winning and TCU keeps winning, we'll have another Top 10 match-up in Salt Lake City in a few weeks. If TCU wins as #4 and beats a #7/8/9 Utah on the road, does that give them a similar bump to Auburn? I could see that win pushing them into the top 2, definitely.

If there are 3 undefeateds, Oregon/Auburn, Boise and TCU, I would have no doubts Boise would be on the outside. TCU would jump them with a late season road win at a Top 10 school.

I'd say TCU is on a fast track to the championship game, expecting a win at Utah.

Now if it flips and Utah beats TCU, Utah would be at the very least #4 and could possibly even jump Boise as well, but they are farther back so that would be a lot harder. I don't think Utah would get the same treatment.

But yeah, don't sleep on TCU. They have a better shot than most teams.

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Im only rooting for two teams to finish unbeaten

Boise State and TCU I want to watch the BCS squirm or self destruct so we finally get a playoffs.

Eh, I got nothin' against TCU, as they are my grandfather's alma-mater and therefore for family reasons (when they don't play Utah teams that is), I always wish them the best. BUT, I think I'd rather have Utah go undefeated than TCU, mostly because of what interesting talk that could possibly lead to:

Firstly, IF Utah beats TCU and then goes undefeated this year, that would be the record third time they'd (hopefully) bust the BCS. Now, look at the past two times. Yeah, Pitt wasn't a great team to face in Fiesta Bowl. They blew em out, but Pitt wasn't a strong opponent to begin with. Then came the Sugar Bowl...and we all know how that turned out. Utah proved they were indeed legitimate with a win over Alabama. Not Pitt, ALABAMA, a powerhouse. And convincingly too. So, Utah has clout in the fact that they made history that year, and BCS officials will certainly remember that. And believe me, thier fans WILL travel.

Which leads to second: combine that clout with Utah's schedule. I'm not necessarily claiming so, but do you guys think the computers would consider the MWC stronger than the WAC? If Utah gets the win over TCU, then they can say they beat a top-five team (given they're still up there at the time), wheras Boise State cannot. Utah also has tough teams in Air Force and San Diego State to beat in conference play, as well as TCU, plus Notre Dame AT South Bend. They already beat a Pitt team that could still possibly win the Big East as well. If Boise State and Utah go undefeated, how are the computers going to compare the schedules? THAT would be interesting.

I'm not saying it's fair, but Utah could possibly have a more attractive schedule than Boise, if they win out. And who knows what sort of talk would ensue if both were to finish undefeated.

And thirdly, it would seem out of the blue and unexpected for Utah to come out without a loss. TCU is in the driver's seat between the two, so TCU is getting the looks. But, if Utah wins out, then a new team is all of the sudden in the mix and NOW you have craziness.

If my argument is a little scrambled, I apologize, as it is a late night out here and I'm pretty sleepy. It was just a thought I had and didn't want to forget, so I thought i'd better crank it out before I went to bed.

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Thank you for bringing up Utah, dfwabel. ( :blink: )

TCU sits at #4 now. Where Auburn was last week. Assuming Utah keeps winning and TCU keeps winning, we'll have another Top 10 match-up in Salt Lake City in a few weeks. If TCU wins as #4 and beats a #7/8/9 Utah on the road, does that give them a similar bump to Auburn? I could see that win pushing them into the top 2, definitely.

If there are 3 undefeateds, Oregon/Auburn, Boise and TCU, I would have no doubts Boise would be on the outside. TCU would jump them with a late season road win at a Top 10 school.

I'd say TCU is on a fast track to the championship game, expecting a win at Utah.

Now if it flips and Utah beats TCU, Utah would be at the very least #4 and could possibly even jump Boise as well, but they are farther back so that would be a lot harder. I don't think Utah would get the same treatment.

But yeah, don't sleep on TCU. They have a better shot than most teams.

No worries. It is more about the SOS with the current MWC and WAC. TCU is getting closer to Boise St in the BCS rakings. At end of year, if both are 12-0, TCU could be ahead since with a win over Utah, That wcould be enough to make up ground with pollsters and computer rankings.

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...and that's all the time we have for today. Enjoy this week's exciting slate of college football games. Be sure to join us next Sunday, live at 8:15PM eastern, on the next episode of "Who's Jumping Boise State!"

(cue cheesy theme music)

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Here's how I see things shaking out.

Oregon has a significant chance of losing to USC this weekend. Auburn is also going to face a tough game against Alabama and they may wind up losing. I've also been saying all year that Utah will pull off the win against TCU, meaning that if these three things happen, Boise State will likely be the lone wolf at the top of the pack. I think Michigan State will suffer a loss because the BigTen competition is just too strong.

The way that I'm looking at it, Nebraska has a real chance to be a National Title spoiler for Missouri this weekend. I think (and hope) the Huskers will pull off the win. If they do, we'll have a strong chance of seeing Boise State against either Michigan State or maybe Oregon for the MNC.

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Here's how I see things shaking out.

Oregon has a significant chance of losing to USC this weekend. Auburn is also going to face a tough game against Alabama and they may wind up losing. I've also been saying all year that Utah will pull off the win against TCU, meaning that if these three things happen, Boise State will likely be the lone wolf at the top of the pack. I think Michigan State will suffer a loss because the BigTen competition is just too strong.

The way that I'm looking at it, Nebraska has a real chance to be a National Title spoiler for Missouri this weekend. I think (and hope) the Huskers will pull off the win. If they do, we'll have a strong chance of seeing Boise State against either Michigan State or maybe Oregon for the MNC.

Wouldn't an undefeated Utah jump Boise State, too? And in your scenario would you be surprised if a one loss Alabama team is sitting right there? Let's just say Bama beats Auburn in the Iron Bowl and go on to win the SEC championship against South Carolina (who should probably a top 20 team at the end). I could easily see Utah vs. Bama with the Broncos left out in the cold.

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Here's how I see things shaking out.

Oregon has a significant chance of losing to USC this weekend. Auburn is also going to face a tough game against Alabama and they may wind up losing. I've also been saying all year that Utah will pull off the win against TCU, meaning that if these three things happen, Boise State will likely be the lone wolf at the top of the pack. I think Michigan State will suffer a loss because the BigTen competition is just too strong.

The way that I'm looking at it, Nebraska has a real chance to be a National Title spoiler for Missouri this weekend. I think (and hope) the Huskers will pull off the win. If they do, we'll have a strong chance of seeing Boise State against either Michigan State or maybe Oregon for the MNC.

Wouldn't an undefeated Utah jump Boise State, too? And in your scenario would you be surprised if a one loss Alabama team is sitting right there? Let's just say Bama beats Auburn in the Iron Bowl and go on to win the SEC championship against South Carolina (who should probably a top 20 team at the end). I could easily see Utah vs. Bama with the Broncos left out in the cold.

I think Utah might benefit from their move to the Pac-10 next year, too. Despite the fact that they're currently an non-AQ team, I think that if it comes down to Boise, TCU and Utah for the token "Non-AQ" spot in a bowl game, voters will be sympathetic to a future "Big Boy" team.

I could see a one loss Bama also getting sympathy as the defending Champ. I think a one loss Bama trumps a -1 Ohio State, -1 Nebraska, -1 Oklahoma, etc... for that reason.

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If Oregon loses anywhere I just don't see it happening in LA, I see it in Corvallis for a little Civil War fun even with 1 half of the Rodgers brothers hurting.

Though put me in the boat for a Oregon/Bama NCG.

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