2010 NFL Season

[TFoA]

The Patriots have said that it's horse . Normally I'd trust the team in this matter, but this is the same team that will put Tom Brady on the injury report when not a damn thing is wrong with him. So idk. I'll just believe it when I actually see it.

[NEW.ERA]

Fox Sports sites unnamed sources so that's why I call BS.

But the Vikes want an extension, Same thing they wanted done with V-Jack. Which is smart, No rental players in the NFL.

[WSU151]

Schefter reporting that it'll be a done deal by close of business Wednesday.

[FiddySicks]

I'm almost scared to see what the patriots are gonna get out of this one. The Pats have a history of completely ripping teams off in trades, and the Vikings have made some of the dumbest deals in the history of the NFL.

[WSU151]

I'm almost scared to see what the patriots are gonna get out of this one. The Pats have a history of completely ripping teams off in trades, and the Vikings have made some of the dumbest deals in the history of the NFL.

It used to be that way when Scott Pioli was in New England...but the last couple of years, the Patriots haven't received anything. They gave away Mike Vrabel as a gift to the Chiefs, gave away Seymour for a 1st rounder (a decent trade, but long-term instead of a getting a serious short-term need), and gave away Maroney for like a 5th or 6th. Reports are coming in that the Vikings are giving up at least a 3rd round pick, perhaps a second. I'd take Randy Moss over any 2nd or 3rd round pick though, especially with Tom Brady likely retiring by 2015.

[BlueSky]

P.S. to Falcons fans: I'm comforted by the fact that the Saints have earned their victories, ugly as they may be. That's unlike the Falcons, who but for two unbelievable gaffes - Hartley's miss and Clements' ridiculous failure to get on the ground - would be 1-3.

Don't even start that :censored:. The Saints are the epitome of "lucky".

The Falcons have been far from perfect, but they've done the things they needed to do to win games. All that matters is getting the win....style points don't apply.

This, this, a thousand times this. As good as the Saints were last year, you can't deny that they literally caught every break imaginable. There are sooooooooooooo many situations from last season where we could say "Well, if it wasn't for:"

• The Colts falling asleep on a kickoff during the Super Bowl, leading to the Saints recovering an onside kick that completely changed the game, they wouldn't be Super Bowl Champions
  
• The Vikings putting the ball on the ground 84 times during the NFC title game, they wouldn't have made it to the Super Bowl.
  
• The Falcons having a severely weakened squad due to injury, they probably would've lost the matchup in the Georgia Dome
  
• Kareem Moore's "ridiculous failure to get on the ground", the Saints probably would've lost to the Redskins.
  
• The Dolphins falling asleep at the wheel at home against one of the teams that you absolutely CAN'T fall asleep against, the Saints would've lost at Miami

So yeah, pardon us Falcons fans if we don't wanna hear from a Saints fan about how lucky our team is, especially considering the good fortune you guys had last year. I don't give a damn how the Falcons win. This isn't the BCS, they don't have to win all fancy & . A win is a win is a win is a win.

Well, guess we have a count on all two Falcons fans here on the board.

Wow, didn't touch a nerve, did I? I'll get to your list of "breaks" in a minute but first, I do give the Falcons credit for being a good team. I respect Mike Smith and guys like Ryan, Curtis Lofton, etc. make it hard to hate the Falcons as much as I do. But with that said, the reason I posted what I did is 1) all this "power shift in the NFC South" BS from the "experts" and 2) rarely do games really come down to one deciding play, but both those games did.

All I did was state facts and I challenge you to dispute them. In fact, the first one you can't dispute at all: Hartley hits it, Falcons lose. In the Niners game, had Clements not fumbled, it would have taken an "Miracle at the Meadowlands" type play for Atlanta to win. So as I said, Atlanta is two boneheaded oppoents' mistakes from being 1-3. It's that simple.

Now to your list:

• The Colts falling asleep on a kickoff during the Super Bowl, leading to the Saints recovering an onside kick that completely changed the game, they wouldn't might not be Super Bowl Champions << It was a daring call and, occurring when it did, there's no way you can say that play costs them the game if the Colts recover.
  
• The Vikings putting the ball on the ground 84 times during the NFC title game, they wouldn't have made it to the Super Bowl. << Hmmm, when Minnesota came to town a few weeks ago to "show the world the way this should have ended" (Peterson's quote) and didn't turn the ball over...well, they still lost.
  
• The Falcons having a severely weakened squad due to injury, they probably would've lost the matchup in the Georgia Dome << Fair point, the Falcons probably win that game with Ryan at QB.
  
• Kareem Moore's "ridiculous failure to get on the ground", the Saints probably would've lost to the Redskins. << I completely disagree. The reason the Saints should have lost was that Washington's kicker missed a 20-something yard FG that would have given them an insurmountable lead late. Oh yeah, and that LaRon Landry is a complete sucker for the slant and go.
  
• The Dolphins falling asleep at the wheel at home against one of the teams that you absolutely CAN'T fall asleep against, the Saints would've lost at Miami

<< It was the officials that fell asleep. Sharper fumbled his INT return and I think it would've been a touchback, and the Saints got a free play after a replay at the end of the first half when the clock should have run out before they could score. That actually resulted in a rule change this year (10-second runoff following a stoppage for replay within the last two minutes.)

So sure, you have some points, but my guess is that any SB champion would testify that better-than-average breaks are part of the magic that brings home the Lombardi. Just ask the tuckin' Patriots.

Or the Giants...1) back in the 'in the grasp' days, the 'helmet catch' is a sack; 2) rules notwithstanding, how the heck did Manning escape? and 3) how many times do the Tyrees of the world make THAT catch, with Harrison riding him like Turcotte on Secretariat?

[Audiodrama]

It's a done deal, folks. Randy Moss is, once again, a Viking. The Patriots receive Minnesota's third-round pick in 2011.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81b1a1a9/article/vikings-expected-to-reacquire-moss-in-deal-with-patriots?module=HP_headlines&module=breaking_news

[JamieRose]

Oh no! With the way that Moss has played this season so far, the Patriots will... not be affected at all by this trade. Honestly, he's great, but he gave up last year. This will be a good opportunity for receivers like Julian Edelman to show what they've got. I saw Edelman make some great plays when I want to a preseason game this year, and I'd love to see him get some more chances this year.

[Audiodrama]

It's not a good move for the immediate future, but keep your eye on guys like Brandon Tate and Taylor Price. They're gonna get a chance to shine.

[patsox]

you Patriots. They probably don't need him, but they're not getting enough back. THIRD round pick? I HATE when they do this. Also, Favre!

EDIT: I cannot be biased about this. Randy was one of my favorite Pats ever.

[It Needs A Bow]

Moss is an overrated player, and would've inevitably brought drama to the team. He needs to be coddled, and Belichick really doesn't have time for that. Now if the Patriots end up choosing someone worthless in the draft (and let's face it, they haven't been picking many gems in the past few years), this is going to be looked at as a bad move. But if a good player comes out of it, every Patriots fan will be saying "Randy who?"

[WSU151]

Moss is an overrated player, and would've inevitably brought drama to the team. He needs to be coddled, and Belichick really doesn't have time for that. Now if the Patriots end up choosing someone worthless in the draft (and let's face it, they haven't been picking many gems in the past few years), this is going to be looked at as a bad move. But if a good player comes out of it, every Patriots fan will be saying "Randy who?"

I wouldn't say he's overrated, and I wouldn't be surprised if, at next year's draft, Belichick trades away the third round pick he just received from the Vikings for two 4th rounders and a 5th round pick in 2013.

[tBBP]

I may have just heard this wrong...but I could have sworn I heard someone on the NFL Network just a couple days ago mention something to the effect of the Patriots holding like seven picks in the first two or three rounds of the 2011 Draft (?).....

..If true, I ain't surprised. Just about every move they make seems to involve draft picks of some kind.

(Which also raises this question in my mind, for anyone that knows the answer: if the '11 season is locked out, does the '11 Draft even still happen?)

[BlueSky]

I may have just heard this wrong...but I could have sworn I heard someone on the NFL Network just a couple days ago mention something to the effect of the Patriots holding like seven picks in the first two or three rounds of the 2011 Draft (?).....

..If true, I ain't surprised. Just about every move they make seems to involve draft picks of some kind.

(Which also raises this question in my mind, for anyone that knows the answer: if the '11 season is locked out, does the '11 Draft even still happen?)

IIRC, Goodell answered this in some fan forum or some such and yes, the draft will go on.

[Cujo]

Randy Moss leaves the division foes, and all New England gets out of it is a third rounder?? As a Jets fan, I love it!

[dfwabel]

I may have just heard this wrong...but I could have sworn I heard someone on the NFL Network just a couple days ago mention something to the effect of the Patriots holding like seven picks in the first two or three rounds of the 2011 Draft (?).....

..If true, I ain't surprised. Just about every move they make seems to involve draft picks of some kind.

(Which also raises this question in my mind, for anyone that knows the answer: if the '11 season is locked out, does the '11 Draft even still happen?)

After this trade, they now have

2- First round picks

2- Second round picks

2- Third round picks

2- Fourth round picks

According to a story from yahoo's Mike Silver, there will be a draft, but teams will not be able to sign players, hold a mini-camp, and there will not be the ability to buy merchandise for any drafter player.

[NEW.ERA]

So Jay Glazer was right.

And this is why 84 isn't being used, any other number I'll be disappointed. I guess this is just one more weapons that the Pack have to cover in a couple weeks.

Now does Wes Welker have it in him to become the Number 1 target and Edleman in the slot?

[rams80]

Moss is an overrated player, and would've inevitably brought drama to the team. He needs to be coddled, and Belichick really doesn't have time for that. Now if the Patriots end up choosing someone worthless in the draft (and let's face it, they haven't been picking many gems in the past few years), this is going to be looked at as a bad move. But if a good player comes out of it, every Patriots fan will be saying "Randy who?"

The problem with the " it we're the Patriots and bigger than any one player" approach is that, well, the Patriots haven't actually been able to fully replace some of the players they have shed since 2003. Which is why they haven't won a Super Bowl since that time either.

[gingerbreadmann]

Oh no! With the way that Moss has played this season so far, the Patriots will... not be affected at all by this trade. Honestly, he's great, but he gave up last year. This will be a good opportunity for receivers like Julian Edelman to show what they've got. I saw Edelman make some great plays when I want to a preseason game this year, and I'd love to see him get some more chances this year.

How has he given up this year? Because he had 0 catches on Monday? You can see on the Woodhead TD how he is still immensely important... one of the LBs that would have destroyed Woodhead before the first down was drawn back into coverage on Randy Moss. Sure, guys like Edelman or Tate will be more involved, but please call me when either of them commands two DBs automatically on every play, catches 150 career TDs (or even more than 5 in a season), grows 9 inches, or can generally Be Randy Moss. That will not happen no matter what.

Moss is an overrated player, and would've inevitably brought drama to the team. He needs to be coddled, and Belichick really doesn't have time for that. Now if the Patriots end up choosing someone worthless in the draft (and let's face it, they haven't been picking many gems in the past few years), this is going to be looked at as a bad move. But if a good player comes out of it, every Patriots fan will be saying "Randy who?"

He already has brought drama to the team, and they're 3-1. Maybe it will escalate, but who cares? Moss would have had everything to play for (Free Agent $$$) anyway. On the field, he has not shown evidence of tanking it and has not hurt the team in any way besides 1 drop on an immensely difficult catch that maybe only he and 10 other guys in the whole league have even a chance at. Is there no way to put up with his whining for 4 months because of what he still brings to the team?

That brings me to the next point. If he had played out the season here and then left in free agency, the Patriots would have received a third-round pick anyway (in 2012). Through things like the Seymour trade, this FO has shown a liking for the 2011 draft, but still, it seems impossible how the 2011 third round could be so significantly better than the 2012 third round, and I can't imagine the labor clusterf*k having any drastic effects on one of the two drafts. I could be wrong, but nothing so far has pointed to something huge like all 2012 draft picks being destroyed and the draft itself canceled. Therefore, by trading Moss, the Patriots are definitively stating this:

In their eyes, the amount that the value of a 2011 third-rounder is greater than that of a 2012 third-rounder is greater than the value of Randy Moss being on the Patriots from now until the end of this season.

And, assuming that the difference between the two picks is negligible (although possibly not exactly zero), that if he remained a member of the team, Randy Moss from now to the end of the season would have a negative overall effect on the success of the New England Patriots. Whom they end up taking in the draft and how they turn out is irrelevant because we are talking about the current value of the pick, not its value in ten years when that player has had a long career -- or not.

Think about that for a second. Apparently Randy Moss has more value to the New England Patriots when he is on another team than when he is on the Patriots. I don't know what that says about Randy Moss, or more importantly, what that says about the New England Patriots, but to me that is a completely absurd and indefensible statement. But the Pats just made it.

[Cujo]

No excuses for the Jets now that the Patriots have suddenly become 'sellers'. Having already beaten the Pats and Dolphins head-to-head, anything short of an AFC East title would have to be considered a massive failure for Gang Green.

And oh by the way, with this trade now being final, New England Patriots Dynasty: OVER.