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I think there are a few cities on the East Coast that might dispute your title. :P Possibly one in Maryland, and certainly one in Virginia.

My problem with the navy is that it's such a transparent cash grab, as they admitted when they went with the blue-and-white Dodger ripoffs.

Plus brown and gold is a simple, classic and very gorgeous color combination, sadly unused in the merchandising-first pro sports world today.

All a matter of opinion. I'd say it doesn't get much worse than brown and gold, unless it's brown and orange (or the Marlins new disaster).

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Just because they're cleaning up a redesign they did 8 years ago doesn't mean that it's necessarily a good thing.

That's essentially how I feel about this too. I FULLY expect the Pads to totally half ass this whole redesign to where all they do is slightly alter some word marks and ditch the sand, which is a mistake IMO. But half assing uniform and logo sets seems to be par for the course with this team so that's why I feel that way.

The only way the Pads could do themselves some good with this redesign is if they followed more along the lines of what the old Portland Beavers wore just before they moved. Those were basically the same colors, but the piping really gave it that old school feel. That I'd be good with. But I really don't expect it.

The Portland Beavers of which you speak (the 2008-2010 edition) were a rather odd case. On the one hand, most people (myself included) were outraged at the change from black and red (which are *the* colors of pro sports in Portland) to Padres navy and sand. Not to say that those colors did not look good, but it was too much of a deviation from the history of pro baseball in the City of Roses. However, that newer script was absolutely gorgeous (much better than the previous one), as was the piping that you mentioned. Very Stan Musial-era St. Louis Cardinals-like. Who says that the major leagues can't learn a thing or two from minor leagues in uni design every now and then? If any MLB team were to adopt that incredible thick piping, the Padres would be the best fit IMO.

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Just because they're cleaning up a redesign they did 8 years ago doesn't mean that it's necessarily a good thing.

That's essentially how I feel about this too. I FULLY expect the Pads to totally half ass this whole redesign to where all they do is slightly alter some word marks and ditch the sand, which is a mistake IMO. But half assing uniform and logo sets seems to be par for the course with this team so that's why I feel that way.

The only way the Pads could do themselves some good with this redesign is if they followed more along the lines of what the old Portland Beavers wore just before they moved. Those were basically the same colors, but the piping really gave it that old school feel. That I'd be good with. But I really don't expect it.

The Portland Beavers of which you speak (the 2008-2010 edition) were a rather odd case. On the one hand, most people (myself included) were outraged at the change from black and red (which are *the* colors of pro sports in Portland) to Padres navy and sand. Not to say that those colors did not look good, but it was too much of a deviation from the history of pro baseball in the City of Roses. However, that newer script was absolutely gorgeous (much better than the previous one), as was the piping that you mentioned. Very Stan Musial-era St. Louis Cardinals-like. Who says that the major leagues can't learn a thing or two from minor leagues in uni design every now and then? If any MLB team were to adopt that incredible thick piping, the Padres would be the best fit IMO.

Exactly. My feelings too. Too bad they probably won't do it.

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So, basically the Padres are dumbing down their 2004 redesgin.

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Dodger Stadium anniversary logo

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dodgers past few patches have been really great. especially the "55 since 55" one. i really like this and im guessing they will wear it since they wore anniversary patches in 2008 and 2010

That logo is absolutely perfect... it perfectly sums up the Frank McCourt era and the fact that Dodger Stadium was empty on game day because of him!

.... with only 50 people in attendance ;)

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So, basically the Padres are dumbing down their 2004 redesgin.

The opposite really. They're fixing some of the mistakes the 2004 design made trying to pay homage to the PCL days. Instead of an interpretation of the PCL days they'll just use a PCL style wordmark instead.

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Just my opinion, but I think if the Padres go ahead with that plain script, it just makes them even more Dodger-like.(Maybe that's the idea. There are a lot of Dodger fans in San Diego). Combine that with just navy, gray, and white, and it's just a little too minimalist for my taste, if that is the direction they go in.

Also, I don't get the need to "pay homage" to the PCL days. What is that? They have been in the NL since 1969 for God's sake. Are they saying that those years as a Major League club have been so irrelevant that they have to try to create tradition from a time that most of their current fans probably don't even remember? It seems that they are saying that nothing about those clubs since '69, and the way they looked on the field, is worth saving.

Just my 2 cents.....

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Just my opinion, but I think if the Padres go ahead with that plain script, it just makes them even more Dodger-like.(Maybe that's the idea. There are a lot of Dodger fans in San Diego). Combine that with just navy, gray, and white, and it's just a little too minimalist for my taste, if that is the direction they go in.

Also, I don't get the need to "pay homage" to the PCL days. What is that? They have been in the NL since 1969 for God's sake. Are they saying that those years as a Major League club have been so irrelevant that they have to try to create tradition from a time that most of their current fans probably don't even remember? It seems that they are saying that nothing about those clubs since '69, and the way they looked on the field, is worth saving.

Just my 2 cents.....

Well the Pads MLB time has been somewhat irrelevant. They've only made the to the playoffs a handful of times, have never won the series, and have largely been one of the "bad" teams. Othere than a few individual performances like Hoffman there's not much to write home about. I mean hell one of their retired numbers if for a guy who hit ONE home run in one game. Meanwhile during their PCL days (when the PCL was essentially the 3rd major league) Ted Williams played for them, they won the championship a couple of times, etc... It also ties into the whole 75 year anniversary they celebrated this year too. The team sees themselves as one continuous community fixture that's been playing since 1936 regardless of the MLB start date, but at the same time they don't ignore the teams since 69. There is stuff honoring them all over PETCO Park. It's just their uniforms they're not honoring and with good reason, most of the MLB unis were a mess for one reason or another until the 90's.

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I just hope the Pads don't go back to that brown and gold literal "crap".

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Ah, looks like that witty commentary has become a running gag.

You stay classy. :rolleyes:

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Ah, looks like that witty commentary has become a running gag.

You stay classy. :rolleyes:

Well those with nothing constructive to say have to say something, I guess.

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Just my opinion, but I think if the Padres go ahead with that plain script, it just makes them even more Dodger-like.(Maybe that's the idea. There are a lot of Dodger fans in San Diego). Combine that with just navy, gray, and white, and it's just a little too minimalist for my taste, if that is the direction they go in.

Also, I don't get the need to "pay homage" to the PCL days. What is that? They have been in the NL since 1969 for God's sake. Are they saying that those years as a Major League club have been so irrelevant that they have to try to create tradition from a time that most of their current fans probably don't even remember? It seems that they are saying that nothing about those clubs since '69, and the way they looked on the field, is worth saving.

Just my 2 cents.....

Well the Pads MLB time has been somewhat irrelevant. They've only made the to the playoffs a handful of times, have never won the series, and have largely been one of the "bad" teams. Othere than a few individual performances like Hoffman there's not much to write home about. I mean hell one of their retired numbers if for a guy who hit ONE home run in one game. Meanwhile during their PCL days (when the PCL was essentially the 3rd major league) Ted Williams played for them, they won the championship a couple of times, etc... It also ties into the whole 75 year anniversary they celebrated this year too. The team sees themselves as one continuous community fixture that's been playing since 1936 regardless of the MLB start date, but at the same time they don't ignore the teams since 69. There is stuff honoring them all over PETCO Park. It's just their uniforms they're not honoring and with good reason, most of the MLB unis were a mess for one reason or another until the 90's.

Oh, I know a little about Padres history. I started following them in 1982. I was 12 years old then. I really liked the brown and gold/ brown and orange. It set them apart. I see that you don't, and you're certainly entitled to your opinion. I realize there are a lot of people who don't and that's fine.

I just don't like several things they are about to do, such as the removal of the sand color. It was at least a shred of something that doesn't look like every other team, so I liked it. Blue, Gray, and White is incredibly dull, IMO, and if they reach back 60 years for that particular script, I can see it being an incredibly generic uniform. Would much prefer elements of the uniforms from 1969 thru 1984, even if they had to use Blue and Sand....

As far as Ted Williams goes, he was arguably the best pure hitter who lived, and he is a favorite of mine. Love seeing old films of him playing, and being interviewed. He was a character. He played in San Diego for less than two full seasons, part of 1936 and 1937. I also realize that he was an S.D. native, but I just think it's quite a stretch for the Padres to reach all the way back to those days for something to hang their hat on. Ted Williams will be remembered with the Boston Red Sox, and that's that.

Oh, and as for Mr. Garvey, the guy who hit that ONE home run? It's still arguably the biggest hit in Padres history to date. It enabled them to get to the 5th game against the Cubs, and it put the team on the map on a national stage. Not too shabby.... Garvey, along with Graig Nettles, Goose Gossage and a young Tony Gwynn also gave the Padres some much-needed credibility at the time.

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Just my opinion, but I think if the Padres go ahead with that plain script, it just makes them even more Dodger-like.(Maybe that's the idea. There are a lot of Dodger fans in San Diego). Combine that with just navy, gray, and white, and it's just a little too minimalist for my taste, if that is the direction they go in.

Also, I don't get the need to "pay homage" to the PCL days. What is that? They have been in the NL since 1969 for God's sake. Are they saying that those years as a Major League club have been so irrelevant that they have to try to create tradition from a time that most of their current fans probably don't even remember? It seems that they are saying that nothing about those clubs since '69, and the way they looked on the field, is worth saving.

Just my 2 cents.....

Well the Pads MLB time has been somewhat irrelevant. They've only made the to the playoffs a handful of times, have never won the series, and have largely been one of the "bad" teams. Othere than a few individual performances like Hoffman there's not much to write home about. I mean hell one of their retired numbers if for a guy who hit ONE home run in one game. Meanwhile during their PCL days (when the PCL was essentially the 3rd major league) Ted Williams played for them, they won the championship a couple of times, etc... It also ties into the whole 75 year anniversary they celebrated this year too. The team sees themselves as one continuous community fixture that's been playing since 1936 regardless of the MLB start date, but at the same time they don't ignore the teams since 69. There is stuff honoring them all over PETCO Park. It's just their uniforms they're not honoring and with good reason, most of the MLB unis were a mess for one reason or another until the 90's.

Oh, I know a little about Padres history. I started following them in 1982. I was 12 years old then. I really liked the brown and gold/ brown and orange. It set them apart. I see that you don't, and you're certainly entitled to your opinion. I realize there are a lot of people who don't and that's fine.

I just don't like several things they are about to do, such as the removal of the sand color. It was at least a shred of something that doesn't look like every other team, so I liked it. Blue, Gray, and White is incredibly dull, IMO, and if they reach back 60 years for that particular script, I can see it being an incredibly generic uniform. Would much prefer elements of the uniforms from 1969 thru 1984, even if they had to use Blue and Sand....

As far as Ted Williams goes, he was arguably the best pure hitter who lived, and he is a favorite of mine. Love seeing old films of him playing, and being interviewed. He was a character. He played in San Diego for less than two full seasons, part of 1936 and 1937. I also realize that he was an S.D. native, but I just think it's quite a stretch for the Padres to reach all the way back to those days for something to hang their hat on. Ted Williams will be remembered with the Boston Red Sox, and that's that.

Oh, and as for Mr. Garvey, the guy who hit that ONE home run? It's still arguably the biggest hit in Padres history to date. It enabled them to get to the 5th game against the Cubs, and it put the team on the map on a national stage. Not too shabby.... Garvey, along with Graig Nettles, Goose Gossage and a young Tony Gwynn also gave the Padres some much-needed credibility at the time.

Good post. Ted Williams is elevated as a Padre but Garvey's contributions are diminished? Most definitely should be the other way around. Good take pointing that out.

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I happen to think that it would be in the team's best long term interests to find a brown uniform that works, and go forward with it. For one thing, plenty of people wear brown and it can be fashionable. Secondly it would be good to establish a unique identity and branding that sets them apart from the multiple blue and white teams in Major League Baseball. They could design an attractive brown uniform if they wanted to.

However, I'm a pragmatist. Blue has been a part of the team's identity for over 20 years now and it honestly does have more mass appeal. There are probably just as many Padre fans who hate any idea of brown than there are who want it reestablished as the team's primary color. Whether those of us who want brown like it or not, blue is entrenched as the Padres color and its obvious that the team is not going to deviate. Its obvious that the current uniforms are a mess and that an improvement is needed. The home script is horrible an the whole set is a mishmash of different styles. So what remains to be seen is if with this "evolution" they come up with something that is simply more attractive on the field. If they go with an updated PCL look they could look quite nice. Even if they are simple, its not necessarily a bad thing. I completely support them cleaning up the current uniforms and I don't think that brown will ever come back except as perhaps a throwback alternate in the future.

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Just my opinion, but I think if the Padres go ahead with that plain script, it just makes them even more Dodger-like.(Maybe that's the idea. There are a lot of Dodger fans in San Diego). Combine that with just navy, gray, and white, and it's just a little too minimalist for my taste, if that is the direction they go in.

Also, I don't get the need to "pay homage" to the PCL days. What is that? They have been in the NL since 1969 for God's sake. Are they saying that those years as a Major League club have been so irrelevant that they have to try to create tradition from a time that most of their current fans probably don't even remember? It seems that they are saying that nothing about those clubs since '69, and the way they looked on the field, is worth saving.

Just my 2 cents.....

Well the Pads MLB time has been somewhat irrelevant. They've only made the to the playoffs a handful of times, have never won the series, and have largely been one of the "bad" teams. Othere than a few individual performances like Hoffman there's not much to write home about. I mean hell one of their retired numbers if for a guy who hit ONE home run in one game. Meanwhile during their PCL days (when the PCL was essentially the 3rd major league) Ted Williams played for them, they won the championship a couple of times, etc... It also ties into the whole 75 year anniversary they celebrated this year too. The team sees themselves as one continuous community fixture that's been playing since 1936 regardless of the MLB start date, but at the same time they don't ignore the teams since 69. There is stuff honoring them all over PETCO Park. It's just their uniforms they're not honoring and with good reason, most of the MLB unis were a mess for one reason or another until the 90's.

Oh, I know a little about Padres history. I started following them in 1982. I was 12 years old then. I really liked the brown and gold/ brown and orange. It set them apart. I see that you don't, and you're certainly entitled to your opinion. I realize there are a lot of people who don't and that's fine.

I just don't like several things they are about to do, such as the removal of the sand color. It was at least a shred of something that doesn't look like every other team, so I liked it. Blue, Gray, and White is incredibly dull, IMO, and if they reach back 60 years for that particular script, I can see it being an incredibly generic uniform. Would much prefer elements of the uniforms from 1969 thru 1984, even if they had to use Blue and Sand....

As far as Ted Williams goes, he was arguably the best pure hitter who lived, and he is a favorite of mine. Love seeing old films of him playing, and being interviewed. He was a character. He played in San Diego for less than two full seasons, part of 1936 and 1937. I also realize that he was an S.D. native, but I just think it's quite a stretch for the Padres to reach all the way back to those days for something to hang their hat on. Ted Williams will be remembered with the Boston Red Sox, and that's that.

Oh, and as for Mr. Garvey, the guy who hit that ONE home run? It's still arguably the biggest hit in Padres history to date. It enabled them to get to the 5th game against the Cubs, and it put the team on the map on a national stage. Not too shabby.... Garvey, along with Graig Nettles, Goose Gossage and a young Tony Gwynn also gave the Padres some much-needed credibility at the time.

Well we can agree on that. I too wasn't happy sand was being dumped. I thought it made their away uniforms unique and it was fairly prominent in my favorite current set the blue alternate (even if the "shampoo" logo wasn't perfect). Getting rid of it is a mistake even if it'll be offset in some way by fixing the word mark.

And I agree linking to Williams is a stretch, but it's one San Diego has been doing for a long time (Ted Williams Parkway?) and it does have some merit as Williams did get his start here. And I agree that Garvey's hit was probably the biggest in Pads history, but that kinda makes my point for me. The fact that one home run, in one game, that got the team into one world series is THAT big that they'd retire the number of a man who was ostensibly linked to the hated Dodgers more than anything, just proves the Pads have little real history to hang their hats on. I can't tell you how many games I went to this season and overheard either other people or members of my own group that I'd brought with me calling for Garvey's number to be unretired (I do know I'd need more than one hand to count them).

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I think a really good solution to the Padres and the brown faction would be to use brown with the sky blue. Merges the brown era, the blue era, and even ties into the city's favorite Charger color.

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I think a really good solution to the Padres and the brown faction would be to use brown with the sky blue. Merges the brown era, the blue era, and even ties into the city's favorite Charger color.

brownblue.jpg

Reminds me too much of the Phillies in the 80's (a look that wasn't all that great then either), plus I'm not sure mixing company with the soon to be departing Chargers is a great idea. But good try.

Maybe a darker blue (from the 90's and 2000's unis) mixed with "gold" (from the 69-84 unis). That would be a classy looking mixture of the first 15 and last 20 years IMO. And it would match California's state color scheme as well.

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I think a really good solution to the Padres and the brown faction would be to use brown with the sky blue. Merges the brown era, the blue era, and even ties into the city's favorite Charger color.

brownblue.jpg

Reminds me too much of the Phillies in the 80's (a look that wasn't all that great then either), plus I'm not sure mixing company with the soon to be departing Chargers is a great idea. But good try.

Maybe a darker blue (from the 90's and 2000's unis) mixed with "gold" (from the 69-84 unis). That would be a classy looking mixture of the first 15 and last 20 years IMO. And it would match California's state color scheme as well.

From what I remember of the Phillies, they were maroon and white and the sky blue was only in the away uniform, not part of the brand. I just like brown and sky blue combo and it makes sense to me. And, I'm holding out hope the Bolts won't be leaving. Dreamer?

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