Anaheim Kings?

[RETROJR79]

I like the LA Knights but I don't want to root for Bow Wow LOL.

[IceCap]

I like the idea where the Clippers and Lakers tell the Kings to stay the fu*k out of the LA metro area.

[illwauk]

For the last time, AAFC championships do not count. The Browns have four NFL championships, the Steelers have six. The AFL was a legitimate league with real competition, AFL championships mean/meant something. The AAFC wasn't a league, just the Browns and seven teams of scrubs.

Not to threadjack, but this statement is so full of $hit it could float in a toilet bowl. If you had any clue as to WTF you were talking about, you'd know that the AAFC by 1947 was being touted as having superior talent to the older, more entrenched NFL. The talent bases of both leagues were weakened by World War II and its aftermath....

One team does not rattle off all four of a league's championships in a well-balanced, competitive circuit. Looking at the on-field results of the AAFC it's clear that the only team in this league with any significant amount of talent was the Browns.

On top of that the AAFC titles shouldn't count simply because of the league's fate. Two teams got absorbed into the NFL, the rest of the league fell by the wayside. The AFL merged, with all teams forming the basis of a new conference.

It was three teams (Cleveland, Baltimore and San Francisco) that joined the NFL. I doubt that would have been the case if the AAFC really were just the Browns and a bunch of gridiron versions of the Washington Generals. The NFL also thought at least enough of the AAFC to change its name to the National-American Football League initially (they reverted before the season began) and rename their Eastern and Western Divisions to the National and American Conferences (that at least stuck around for a few seasons).

[IceCap]

The Baltimore Colts of the AAFC were not the same team as the NFL Baltimore/Indianapolis Colts. The 49ers being absorbed along with the Browns can be explained as a ready-to-go means for the NFL to get a second team on the west coast, the Rams being their only club in that part of the country at the time.

[The_Admiral]

I thought the Baltimore Colts were sort of a loosely reconstituted version of the infamously crappy Dallas Texans, who themselves were a loosely reconstituted version of some crappy proto-NFL team or another. NFL franchise lineage before the '60s is murky and nobody cares. America's sport.

[BrianVlietDesign]

I thought the Baltimore Colts were sort of a loosely reconstituted version of the infamously crappy Dallas Texans, who themselves were a loosely reconstituted version of some crappy proto-NFL team or another. NFL franchise lineage before the '60s is murky and nobody cares. America's sport.

This pretty much sums it up.

[bosrs1]

I like the idea where the Clippers and Lakers tell the Kings to stay the fu*k out of the LA metro area.

Even if they do, the other owners will override them from what's being leaked. And they'll be blowing into the on coming wind.

[FiddySicks]

I'm starting to feel that the Kings moving to Anaheim will be an abysmal failure, and not just for the Kings. You know, the more I look at this situation the more I think that the team that'll be burned the worst by all of this is gonna be the Clippers. While Southern California has a big enough population and interest to support two teams, the Lakers have always been such a juggernaut that it's basically a one horse town. The Clippers now for the first time in my memory have a team that while not yet competing for a playoff spot, is in the very least entertaining. They're making all the right strides to finally find gain respectability, and now a third team is going to move into the area and dilute the market even further? Man, the Clips just can't catch a break. And neither team is going to catch the Lakers. I feel that'll they'll end up just competing with each other for that second spot to the point where they'll eventually drive each other out.

But either way, the Kings playing at the Honda center sure as hell beats Arco Gymnasium.

[rams80]

I like the idea where the Clippers and Lakers tell the Kings to stay the fu*k out of the LA metro area.

I do to, but I don't think that is happening, regrettably. Seriously, those poor, stupid bastards in Kansas City built a brand new arena on spec. Shouldn't somebody take pity on them and set up shop there?

[crashcarson15]

The Baltimore Colts of the AAFC were not the same team as the NFL Baltimore/Indianapolis Colts. The 49ers being absorbed along with the Browns can be explained as a ready-to-go means for the NFL to get a second team on the west coast, the Rams being their only club in that part of the country at the time.

But you've gotta remember, the Browns' first season in the NFL they did win the NFL Championship. So, yeah that Browns team that played in the AAFC was still damn good, despite their crappy competition.

[rams80]

The Baltimore Colts of the AAFC were not the same team as the NFL Baltimore/Indianapolis Colts. The 49ers being absorbed along with the Browns can be explained as a ready-to-go means for the NFL to get a second team on the west coast, the Rams being their only club in that part of the country at the time.

But you've gotta remember, the Browns' first season in the NFL they did win the NFL Championship. So, yeah that Browns team that played in the AAFC was still damn good, despite their crappy competition.

They also built something along the lines of an AAFC all star team after the merger went through (from what I've read). Yeah, the AAFC Browns were good, but they DID upgrade before joining the NFL.

[IceCap]

The Baltimore Colts of the AAFC were not the same team as the NFL Baltimore/Indianapolis Colts. The 49ers being absorbed along with the Browns can be explained as a ready-to-go means for the NFL to get a second team on the west coast, the Rams being their only club in that part of the country at the time.

But you've gotta remember, the Browns' first season in the NFL they did win the NFL Championship. So, yeah that Browns team that played in the AAFC was still damn good, despite their crappy competition.

The Browns were a very good team. I'm just saying that winning AAFC titles isn't the same as winning NFL titles. I consider AFL titles to me more legitimate and even I, a fan of an original AFL team, doesn't count them when discussing a team's total championship count.

I like the idea where the Clippers and Lakers tell the Kings to stay the fu*k out of the LA metro area.

I do to, but I don't think that is happening, regrettably. Seriously, those poor, stupid bastards in Kansas City built a brand new arena on spec. Shouldn't somebody take pity on them and set up shop there?

Indeed. And if any team's primed for that role it's the NBA Kings. Aside from the team having roots there it's really a case of a team no city wants, and a city no team wants. Coming together at last.

[bosrs1]

I'm starting to feel that the Kings moving to Anaheim will be an abysmal failure, and not just for the Kings. You know, the more I look at this situation the more I think that the team that'll be burned the worst by all of this is gonna be the Clippers. While Southern California has a big enough population and interest to support two teams, the Lakers have always been such a juggernaut that it's basically a one horse town. The Clippers now for the first time in my memory have a team that while not yet competing for a playoff spot, is in the very least entertaining. They're making all the right strides to finally find gain respectability, and now a third team is going to move into the area and dilute the market even further? Man, the Clips just can't catch a break. And neither team is going to catch the Lakers. I feel that'll they'll end up just competing with each other for that second spot to the point where they'll eventually drive each other out.

But either way, the Kings playing at the Honda center sure as hell beats Arco Gymnasium.

Clippers brought it on themselves in the 80's. They had an entire market to themselves in San Diego but they got greedy, and have been the most second fiddle of the second fiddle teams in the country since the moment they arrived in LA. So if the Kings arriving hurts them I won't be shedding any tears. Maybe they can move to KC once they realize no one in LA will miss them (except maybe the Lakers due to the rent payments).

[illwauk]

I thought the Baltimore Colts were sort of a loosely reconstituted version of the infamously crappy Dallas Texans, who themselves were a loosely reconstituted version of some crappy proto-NFL team or another. NFL franchise lineage before the '60s is murky and nobody cares. America's sport.

Basically, it's:

Dayton Triangles --> Brooklyn Dodgers --> New York Bulldogs --> New York Yanks --> Dallas Texans --> Baltimore Colts -- Indianapolis Colts

Although for whatever reason, the NFL pulled a Browns/Ravens at the Yanks --> Texans transition, so Dallas is considered the spot where the Colts "officially" began.

And while I'm aware that the current Colts aren't directly descended from the Colts that jumped from the AAFC, it was still three teams and not two that were absorbed into the NFL. In fact, when the NFL was deciding which of its own teams should defect to the AFC following the merger, the original plan called for the former AAFC teams (or their successor, in the case of the Colts) to make the jump. But eventually it was decided (possibly or not by Al Davis and his lawyers) that it would be against the best interest of everyone to have San Francisco and Oakland in the same conference. So instead, Art Rooney volunteered his team on the basis of its rivalry with Cleveland and his feeling that the Steelers could dominate the "inferior" AFC for awhile.

[Sodboy13]

Man, the Clips just can't catch a break.

Yes, but on the other side of the coin, Donald Sterling right in his unapologetically racist, hooker-buying earhole.

[IceCap]

Clippers brought it on themselves in the 80's. They had an entire market to themselves in San Diego but they got greedy, and have been the most second fiddle of the second fiddle teams in the country since the moment they arrived in LA. So if the Kings arriving hurts them I won't be shedding any tears. Maybe they can move to KC once they realize no one in LA will miss them (except maybe the Lakers due to the rent payments).

Sorry. No. The Clippers are turning a nice little profit in LA, even if they are playing second fiddle. A profit they likely wouldn't be making if they were still in San Diego. Professional sports is about turning a profit first and foremost. The Phoenix Coyotes situation should make that clear. So the Clippers, in the end, have been justified in making the move to LA.

If any team should move to Kansas City it's your Kings. They would be the unwelcome third wheel in the LA market. They're the team with a history in the KC area. They're not the team turning a nice profit, the Clippers are.

And while I'm aware that the current Colts aren't directly descended from the Colts that jumped from the AAFC, it was still three teams and not two that were absorbed into the NFL.

Um, this a contradiction. They were not descended from the AAFC Colts, and thus were not one of the AAFC teams absorbed. Only Cleveland and San Francisco were. The only connection the current Colts have to the AAFC Colts is the name (even the colours were different, the AAFC Colts were green and silver, the NFL Colts got their blue and white colours from their time in Dallas as the Texans).

It would be like if the UFL folded and the NFL moved a team to Hartford and called them the Colonials. The UFL Colonials aren't being absorbed into the NFL. A NFL team is just using their name.

[RETROJR79]

I think SoCal will support a 3rd NBA Teams I mean we have 3 SoCal MLB teams and their doing great in the fan supports department.

[rams80]

I think SoCal will support a 3rd NBA Teams I mean we have 3 SoCal MLB teams and their doing great in the fan supports department.

Yeah, but one of those teams plays in San Diego. I don't think San Diegans are planning to drive up to Anaheim to see the Kings or Clippers in large numbers.

[McCall]

I think SoCal will support a 3rd NBA Teams I mean we have 3 SoCal MLB teams and their doing great in the fan supports department.

Yeah cuz ones down in San Diego. This won't be three SoCal teams, this will be three LA teams. THAT'S overkill.

[DustDevil61]

As a fan of a small market team, I want the Kings to stay in Sacramento. I don't know just how much the Maloofs are losing per year, but with the impending lockout and new CBA to be discussed, the new CBA could be more favorable to small-market teams, with the possibility of revenue sharing (a la the NFL) or a hard salary cap (a la the pre-2010 NFL).

If the Kings stay in Sacto for just a couple more years, then they may benefit and get some much needed revenue to improve and become competitive again. Again, like the Seattle situation, they also might be able to work things out arena-wise if they give it a couple more years but may instead move too quickly.

Unless the Maloofs are so terribly strapped for cash, then they may be better off sticking things out in Sacramento, as a move to an already-two-horse town (Greater LA) could easily blow up in their face, and cause them to be on the verge of moving or already being gone in 10-15 years.