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The fools running things in Abbotsford must really be hoping this is the first event in the chain reaction that puts the Moose in Abby.

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So if the Bruins move to Victoria, the Moose would move to Abbotsford, and the Heat would move to Chilliwack? Is that it?

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If the Coyotes move to Winnipeg, yes. And even though that shouldn't be, it still is an "if".

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The fools running things in Abbotsford must really be hoping this is the first event in the chain reaction that puts the Moose in Abby.

As bad as the Flames run their AHL teams, why would they move them out of Abbotsford? Where would you even put them? There isn't anywhere in Alberta that would make any sense. I guess you could put them in Penticton because no WHL team is moving there as long as Kelowna is around. There were rumors of someone moving in to Saskatoon but I don't see that happening because then the Blades would have to go somewhere. Chilliwack wants a WHL team back (Kootenay?) so I wouldn't think that anything but a WHL team is going in to Prospera Place. Whatever happens, it feels like there is going to be one more major franchise than B.C. can handle.

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The fools running things in Abbotsford must really be hoping this is the first event in the chain reaction that puts the Moose in Abby.

As bad as the Flames run their AHL teams, why would they move them out of Abbotsford? Where would you even put them? There isn't anywhere in Alberta that would make any sense. I guess you could put them in Penticton because no WHL team is moving there as long as Kelowna is around. There were rumors of someone moving in to Saskatoon but I don't see that happening because then the Blades would have to go somewhere. Chilliwack wants a WHL team back (Kootenay?) so I wouldn't think that anything but a WHL team is going in to Prospera Place. Whatever happens, it feels like there is going to be one more major franchise than B.C. can handle.

After watching Calgary's scorched earth of negligent incompetence rip through most of the continent and trash God knows how many markets, I'm actually in favor of just not letting them have an AHL team.

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As bad as the Flames run their AHL teams, why would they move them out of Abbotsford?

Because apparently the organization takes some sadistic joy in salting the earth in as many minor-league towns as they can, to the point that they start inventing new ones like Abbotsford just to ruin them? Jesus, I don't know. Maybe this will get even more complicated with the Chilliwack people poaching some Dub team that's closer to Calgary than Abbotsford. Who knows. This thing was a mess from the starting gun.

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I really loath the use of the spoked wheel for any hockey team named Bruins that isn't based in Boston. The WHOLE reason that Boston uses it, is because of the their nickname as the Hub City. Unless the Victoria is, in some obscure way, also known as the Hub City, it shouldn't be used.... :cursing:

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For the life of me, I've been trying to think of a place that might support hockey that's reasonably close to Calgary that would be a smarter move for the Flames than Chilliwack or Abbotsford, but there's just no place. There's nothing in Alberta, Saskatchewan is probably going to be swallowed up by any future Winnipeg farm team, and Boise isn't exactly setting the world on fire clamoring for higher-level hockey than the ECHL.

I honestly don't know where else they could go. Seattle, maybe? Would enough people show up at the Key for AHL hockey, or does that kill the T-birds? Sacramento? Anchorage? West Palm Beach? Tulsa?

Yes, I know, the Seattle thing killing the T-birds but nothing about Saskatchewan. I only bring it all up because the Moose have been pretty forthright about telling anyone who'll listen that if Winnipeg gets an NHL team, they're putting their affiliate in Saskatoon, so there go the Blades. Calgary could always go for Regina, I suppose, but then that pretty much rips the WHL market out of Saskatchewan, and probably taking the Wheat Kings down as well, so who the hell knows anymore?

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I really loath the use of the spoked wheel for any hockey team named Bruins that isn't based in Boston. The WHOLE reason that Boston uses it, is because of the their nickname as the Hub City. Unless the Victoria is, in some obscure way, also known as the Hub City, it shouldn't be used.... :cursing:

I'll second that. The "Bruins" name is fine but that hub logo needs to go. As for the logo, the guy did a revised version:

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That's just awkward. Why can't they just use that sweet spirit bear logo? Or use the throwback Spoked-B logo from the Winter Classic?

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For the life of me, I've been trying to think of a place that might support hockey that's reasonably close to Calgary that would be a smarter move for the Flames than Chilliwack or Abbotsford, but there's just no place. There's nothing in Alberta, Saskatchewan is probably going to be swallowed up by any future Winnipeg farm team, and Boise isn't exactly setting the world on fire clamoring for higher-level hockey than the ECHL.

I honestly don't know where else they could go. Seattle, maybe? Would enough people show up at the Key for AHL hockey, or does that kill the T-birds? Sacramento? Anchorage? West Palm Beach? Tulsa?

Yes, I know, the Seattle thing killing the T-birds but nothing about Saskatchewan. I only bring it all up because the Moose have been pretty forthright about telling anyone who'll listen that if Winnipeg gets an NHL team, they're putting their affiliate in Saskatoon, so there go the Blades. Calgary could always go for Regina, I suppose, but then that pretty much rips the WHL market out of Saskatchewan, and probably taking the Wheat Kings down as well, so who the hell knows anymore?

Seattle is a professional town and a bandwagon one at that. Look at how little the A-league Sounders drew and compare it to the MLS Sounders. If you put an NHL team in Seattle (not saying you should) and it came out winning, it would do well. Putting an AHL team here? I think the 'Tips and 'Birds would outdraw them.

Fake edit: Wild card entry would be Wenatchee who sell very well at the Town Toyota Center for NAHL but would get killed just as bad in travel costs as any other AHL team out here and wouldn't be able to make up for it with attendance because the place only seats 4300. Abby is averaging 3722, though, and there would be no competition for hundreds of miles in any direction in Wenatchee.

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I had to look up where Wenatchee is. Probably not an AHL town, but certainly a WHL one. It would fit their footprint well.

Wikipedia:

Wenatchee is known as the "Apple Capital of the World" due to the valley's many orchards. The city is also sometimes referred to as the "Buckle of the Power Belt of the Great Northwest."

This sounds like dialogue from a Christopher Guest film.

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Why doesn't Calgary move the Heat to Montana? There is no major teams there except for five junior hockey teams, all affiliated with the Northern Pacific Hockey League:

Billings Bulls

Bozeman Icedogs

Butte Roughriders

Helena Bighorns

Missoula Maulers

Billings wouldn't be a bad location and not too far from Calgary. The Billings Area is the biggest in Montana with the same population (actually just a little less: 158,050 to 159,020) of the Abbotsford area and is closer to Calgary by 1-1/2 hours.

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The goal is to REDUCE the number of teams on islands in the middle of frickin' nowhere. Not increase them.

I still wish the AHL would have the stones to say "No teams west of the Winnipeg/San Antonio line."

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The goal is to REDUCE the number of teams on islands in the middle of frickin' nowhere. Not increase them.

I still wish the AHL would have the stones to say "No teams west of the Winnipeg/San Antonio line."

If the NHL moves back to Manitoba, it's going to make any team west of the Mississippi pretty isolated. Winnipeg 2.0 has said they are going to put their AHL team in Saskatoon, haven't they? That would almost require the Heat to stay in B.C. or somewhere close. Otherwise, it's going to be worse travel than it already is.

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The AHL in Saskatoon would evict the Blades. To Chilliwack?

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I really loath the use of the spoked wheel for any hockey team named Bruins that isn't based in Boston. The WHOLE reason that Boston uses it, is because of the their nickname as the Hub City. Unless the Victoria is, in some obscure way, also known as the Hub City, it shouldn't be used.... :cursing:

I find this funny. Nanaimo (110 KM NORTH of Victoria) is the HUB CITY on this island (check the maps, the city's roads is pretty much a spoked wheel formation if you see it on satellite).

Plus there is going to be craziness with the team names (if they keep the Bruins nickname) since the Victoria Grizzlies (BCHL) are the team in Victoria with a bear-themed name.

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The goal is to REDUCE the number of teams on islands in the middle of frickin' nowhere. Not increase them.

I still wish the AHL would have the stones to say "No teams west of the Winnipeg/San Antonio line."

If the NHL moves back to Manitoba, it's going to make any team west of the Mississippi pretty isolated. Winnipeg 2.0 has said they are going to put their AHL team in Saskatoon, haven't they? That would almost require the Heat to stay in B.C. or somewhere close. Otherwise, it's going to be worse travel than it already is.

I meant what I said. Tell the Moose/Jets, Canucks, and Flames to get bent and there are plenty of lovely markets for the first two and, well, as stated before, Calgary just doesn't get to keep an AHL team.

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Where are the Salmon KIngs going? I am going to miss what is possibly the cheesiest logo ever.

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I suppose Winnipeg could put their farm team in Thunder Bay or some such, but Saskatoon is a much better marketing move; it enables them to attempt to gain a stronghold in a province which, in the past, has more or less split its NHL allegiances between the Jets and Flames. Saskatoon adds about an hour to travel time that teams would be enduring had they been going to Winnipeg instead.

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