TheOldRoman Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I don't think the Yankees and Mets would allow another team to move into the NY metro area, but I think that region could support a third team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phutmasterflex Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Don't know if this was mentioned about Italian Day, but here's the Brewers' lidshttp://shop.neweracap.com/nshop/product.php?view=detail&productid=NE-MLBITAHSU12-MBR&startColor=red&keywords=italian%20heritage Go A's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I don't think the Yankees and Mets would allow another team to move into the NY metro area, but I think that region could support a third team.The conventional wisdom is an American League team, to steal some of the Yankees' thunder, but I strongly disagree. A National League team in Brooklyn (which is really what we're talking about, isn't it?) would provide a crosstown rival for the Mets and result in sellout games at Citi Field.Besides, with the introduction of everyday interleague play next season, the new club would play against the Yankees plenty anyway, with the benefit of giving the Mets a passionate new divisional foe. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njmeadowlanders Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 The Mets have problems drawing as it is, they're not going to lose potential customers to another team, even if they'd get some bumps for intra-city matchups.If anything, Chicago could use another team. Putting a major league team on the North Side may work.All kidding aside, I do believe if Mexico had their act together they'd have a team in Monterrey or Mexico City by now, though Mexico City may be too far for their liking despite the huge population base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 The Mets have problems drawing as it is, they're not going to lose potential customers to another team, even if they'd get some bumps for intra-city matchups.I agree the Wilpons will see it that way, but they've just finished telling us how they haven't the heads for business. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lights Out Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Weren't the Expos at one point close to moving to Boston? I think Boston could probably support an NL team... especially now, when enthusiasm and interest in the Red Sox are descending into a lull (despite ownership still trying to convince themselves that their beloved sellout streak is anything other than total bull ). POTD: 2/4/12 3/4/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njmeadowlanders Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Weren't the Expos at one point close to moving to Boston? I think Boston could probably support an NL team... especially now, when enthusiasm and interest in the Red Sox are descending into a lull (despite ownership still trying to convince themselves that their beloved sellout streak is anything other than total bull ).Not at this point. A century ago yes, but it would never happen today. A) The Red Sox would NEVER allow it. Who in Boston doesn't love the Red Sox? Who would support the other team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lights Out Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I looked it up, and not only was the MLB thisclose to moving the Expos to Boston, they'd even have shared Fenway. I highly doubt the idea would have even been raised publicly without the Sox' approval.... this isn't the NHL, after all. POTD: 2/4/12 3/4/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCall Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Why would die-hard fans of one team suddenly switch over to another just because they come into the same city? So Red Sox fans, a pretty darn famous group of fans, are suddenly going to start cheering for another Boston team because there's already enough cheering for the Sawx? Â Â https://dribbble.com/MakaioCall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBubba Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Apologies if this has been mentioned, but the Nationals will be holding a turn-back-the-clock day on July 5th against the Giants. They'll be throwing back to the 1924 Senators.I'm still waiting for the day they actually wear throwbacks and don Expos jerseys. Nobody cares about your humungous-big signature. PotD: 29/1/12   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOldRoman Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I looked it up, and not only was the MLB thisclose to moving the Expos to Boston, they'd even have shared Fenway. I highly doubt the idea would have even been raised publicly without the Sox' approval.... this isn't the NHL, after all.The only story I found on it was mentioning that John Henry positioned for the lame duck 2003 Expos to play in Boston for one season while MLB found a permanent home for them. They never intended for Boston to permanently get a second team. It may have worked for one season (I doubt it), but Boston is too far down the Red Sox road to start rooting for a second team. Just like Chicago getting a second football team or Toronto getting a second hockey team, it makes sense in a vaccuum, but the team is too entrenched with the fans, and everyone in town either roots for that team or for a rival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCap Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 You can scratch Montreal and Vancouver off of that list. MLB more or less gave up on Canada, save for the Blue Jays, after the Expos left.Also, I doubt that the NYC/northern New Jersey market could support three teams. Not when one of the two existing teams in the market is the New York Yankees.I would think the list is pretty much San Antonio or Charlotte at this point. Neither seems like a "sure thing" either.Actually, NJ was considered for the Marlins back in 2004 or 2005. Same land as the prudential center and meadowlands. I remember seeing in the NY post or daily news proposals but they never went further. Loria apparently was the one pushing for it. They would have been a NJ/NY team.That it didn't happen should tell you something. The Yankees are way to popular, and the Mets seem to be doing well enough as the niche second team in the large market. I don't think there's enough demand for a third team. Had the Dodgers and Giants both stayed, that would be one thing. The days of New York being a three team market are long gone, for better or worse. PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I agree that these other cities are just leverage for the most part, but the Rays are going to move, it's just a matter of where and when.Maybe they could be the team that moves to Montreal... the league needs the Expos back.I'm probably off the mark somewhere, but would you really like to see your team move? 1985 1989 1991 1992 1993Time to raise a banner in my lifetime boys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lights Out Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I agree that these other cities are just leverage for the most part, but the Rays are going to move, it's just a matter of where and when.Maybe they could be the team that moves to Montreal... the league needs the Expos back.I'm probably off the mark somewhere, but would you really like to see your team move?I don't live in Tampa, so it's not a big deal, really. I'd like to see them go where they can have a fanbase, make some more money, and be successful. POTD: 2/4/12 3/4/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnclearInitial Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Frankly, I think the only metro areas that could sustain an MLB team are Hampton Roads (1.7 million people without a pro team at all) and San Antonio (only has the Spurs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hormone Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 I agree that these other cities are just leverage for the most part, but the Rays are going to move, it's just a matter of where and when.Maybe they could be the team that moves to Montreal... the league needs the Expos back.I'm probably off the mark somewhere, but would you really like to see your team move?I don't live in Tampa, so it's not a big deal, really. I'd like to see them go where they can have a fanbase, make some more money, and be successful.I went to St. Pete last week and took in two Rays games. I was really disappointed. The field is a dump. Turf warning track. Horrible lights. Poor fan base. It's a shame being as good as they are with the talent they have and playing in the best division in baseball. I guess going to PNC has really spoiled me and the Pirates suck ass on top of that. The best part of the Rays game was the dancing groundskeeper. I discovered him over that weekend. YouTube him if you want a laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Frankly, I think the only metro areas that could sustain an MLB team are Hampton Roads (1.7 million people without a pro team at all) and San Antonio (only has the Spurs).Those would instantly become two of (if not the two) smallest markets in the league.IMO baseball doesn't work well in areas without "urban" cores and well developed mass transit. You're trying to get 40+k people for 81 dates - it helps to be able to pull from everyone working in the core who can just hop on a subway or some other form of transit and get to the park, as opposed to depending on people who work an hour away to fight traffic on a Wednesday night just to barely get there on time to see a crappy team.Stadium issues aside, this is part of why the Tampa/St. P. area isn't a good one for a MLB team. I don't pretend to know the locations of every team's stadiums, nor everything about every MLB city, but off the top of my head, the only non-"urban" team I can think of that's been a success is the Angels.It's one thing when you're trying to put 18k people in an indoor arena for 40 dates, but MLB is a different game (literally and figuratively.) "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportstar1212 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Don't know if this was mentioned about Italian Day, but here's the Brewers' lidshttp://shop.neweracap.com/nshop/product.php?view=detail&productid=NE-MLBITAHSU12-MBR&startColor=red&keywords=italian%20heritageMeh. Looks too Christmassy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jigokusabre Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 I think that the MLB, were it to expand or move a team, would go to:New Jersey - easily capable of supporting a team, and would accept a chance to differentiate itself from New York/Philadelphia fan base.Utah - Smaller, but they can support an NBA team, and would make a geographical rival to ColoradoRaleigh/Durham - Few teams in the bible belt, and the Bulls draw well enough.Portland - Less likely since they lost their MiLB team... but they are a large media market, and would be a geographical rival to Seattle.Montreal - Least likely, in my opinion, but I would love to see the Expos back in baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xTr1pleXx Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 If there was a good relocation spot, either the Rays, Marlins, Twins, or A's would've grabbed it by now.Charlotte is the most viable on the surface, but there's serious questions about whether it can support ANOTHER professional team, much less in a sport where it takes far more resources to support a team than any other. A lot of experts think Charlotte's pretty much tapped out in terms of its potential to support major sports teams. I tend to agree. Between the Panthers, Bobcats, NASCAR, college basketball, and even the Hurricanes (there's some Hurricanes fans in Charlotte), that sports market is likely tapped out unless Charlotte starts growing a lot. Plus, it's not in an area that's ever been strong for baseball. There's a reason the Deep South only has one team - it's probably the area of the country where baseball is the least popular.Portland might be viable if not for the Mariners. Same for Vancouver. Las Vegas is a terrible sports market for obvious reasons, and no league wants to touch it because of the gambling.I doubt Salt Lake City would be viable, but it's a city rarely discussed for baseball relocations even though the area might be able to support more than one professional team. Still, I doubt it would work.The other thought I've had is Indianapolis. It's not close enough to either Chicago, Detroit, or Cincinnati for any one of those four teams to have a strong fanbase there, meaning an Indianapolis team could poach off fans in and around the city easily. That said, it's not that big of a market, and it would only have appeal in a very small area right around Indianapolis - go further southeast and you run into Reds territory, and much further north and you run into Cubs/White Sox territory. You're basically looking at Central and parts of Southern Indiana, which would probably not be enough to sustain a team. If the team had a historical fanbase, maybe, but in terms of trying to get an all new fanbase together? That's going to be tough once you get well beyond Indianapolis. This is obviously the opposite of most recent MLB expansions: the Mariners had the entire Pacific Northeast, the Rockies basically had the entire space between the Great Plains and the West Coast to work with at first, the Diamondbacks had almost all of the Southwest to try to draw from, etc. I don't see any wide part of the country lacking a team anymore. Even the South now is decently covered: you have the Braves in the middle of the South, and the Nats, O's, Marlins, Rays, Reds, Cards, Astros, and Rangers on the rim of the South, all of which might grab some Southern fans (hence why Charlotte might have trouble getting a wide enough fanbase in an area not known for baseball fandom).Right now, baseball is kind of stuck in Tampa Bay. If they weren't, I don't think you would've seen the Marlins build a new stadium: they likely would've jumped to those greener pastures. But they know there's almost nowhere to relocate without being stuck in the same situation they're in now - a team with a new stadium that likely won't draw over the long term. Washington was the last great untapped market that was begging for a baseball team.(BTW, the 1998 expansion is proof as to why expanding when you already have struggling teams is a terrible idea. By that point, the Expos were already wanting to move, the Twins were having trouble drawing and didn't look like they were going to get funding for a new ballpark in Minnesota, the A's were starting to talk about getting out of Oakland, and there were already some skeptics about the Marlins' chances. The A's to Phoenix and the Expos to Washington probably would've been the best move for the game, instead of expanding into Phoenix and Tampa Bay. Or moving the Expos to Phoenix and eventually the Marlins to Washington, for that matter.) 1923 1927 1928 1932 1936 1937 1938 1939 1941 1943 1947 1949 1950 1951 1952 1953 1956 1958 1961 1962 1977 1978 1996 1998 1999 2000 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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