2011NCAA Football Thread

[MC2]

Do Conference championships and bowl games count towards season stats? If so Montee Ball very well could break the single season record for TD's.

[Thad]

Well since you're arguing it isn't a playoff, wouldn't a rematch and a subsequent Alabama win be your best argument for eliminating the BCS? (BTW I'm not against the playoff, but I think voters voting to avoid a rematch is a joke)

Why should Oklahoma State (who lost to an unranked team), Virginia Tech (who lost to a 2-loss team), Stanford (who got CLOBBERED by a team that lost to LSU), Oregon (who lost to LSU by more than a FG in OT), Boise State (who lost to a 2-loss, unranked team), or Houston (whose best win is over a 6-5 UCLA team) get a chance over Alabama (who lost to LSU in OT, by a FG)?

[rams80]

Well since you're arguing it isn't a playoff, wouldn't a rematch and a subsequent Alabama win be your best argument for eliminating the BCS? (BTW I'm not against the playoff, but I think voters voting to avoid a rematch is a joke)

Why should Oklahoma State (who lost to an unranked team), Virginia Tech (who lost to a 2-loss team), Stanford (who got CLOBBERED by a team that lost to LSU), Oregon (who lost to LSU by more than a FG in OT), Boise State (who lost to a 2-loss, unranked team), or Houston (whose best win is over a 6-5 UCLA team) get a chance over Alabama (who lost to LSU in OT, by a FG)?

Because we have not established that Oklahoma State, Virginia Tech, Stanford, Boise State, or Houston are worse than LSU on the field. We have with Alabama. There's no point in a rematch.

/One loss Oklahoma State has a better resume than Alabama anyway.

[Kramerica Industries]

Try throwing more INT's, John Brantley.

[infrared41]

Anyone who says Alabama shouldn't be in the national championship is just being anti-SEC. That was one of the top two teams in the country playing against Auburn.

Alabama can play LSU in the National Championship.

After they both win their way through an 8 or 16 team tournament. You had your chance. You ed it up. Go destroy Houston in the Sugar Bowl. If we're going to maintain that the farcical notion that the regular season is a playoff, Alabama was eliminated by virtue of their loss to LSU. No second chances.

I'm of two minds on this.

There is really very little doubt that LSU and Alabama are the two best teams in the country. If memory serves, in 2006 there were people screaming bloody murder because Michigan didn't get a second shot at Ohio State. The argument for the rematch was that "the NCAA owes us the two best teams regardless of anything else." The argument at the time, which seems silly in retrospect, was that despite their loss to OSU, Michigan was the #2 team and they only lost by three on the road. Hardly anyone around here was happy about Florida leapfrogging Michigan. (Another thing that, based on the current climate here, seems silly in retrospect.)

My point being that if a championship is about nothing other than the "two best" teams meeting, then a rematch is the only way for the BCS to give us what is "owed to us as fans" (an argument that I found entirely silly back then and even sillier today.) All of this of course rides on LSU beating Georgia. If all we care about is that the "two best" teams play for a championship, then yes, it has to be LSU - Alabama.

However...

Harking back again to 2006, I was in the same camp then that Rams80 is in now. The argument for Florida over Michigan in 2006 is just as relevant now as it was then. Florida won their conference, Michigan did not. Michigan had their shot and lost. Florida deserves their shot. And so on... No matter what happens from here forward, Alabama cannot win their conference. Alabama had their shot. They lost. End of story. "No second chances."

If the BCS is going to play by their own rules, then they have to stand by the precedent they set back in 2006. They have no choice but to screw Alabama. It sucks, and I'd never argue that the "two best" teams played for a title this season, but it's simply the way it has to be. And the way it should be.

[FiddySicks]

Of all this talk about how Alabama had their shot and blew it, who else would be a better fit? Oklahoma State had their chance, but they blew it too. So did Stanford, Oregon, and you could even argue the same thing for Virginia Tech. As much as I don't wanna see Alabama there, I want Houston if they're undefeated, who else has been better than Bama of the one or two loss teams?

[infrared41]

Of all this talk about how Alabama had their shot and blew it, who else would be a better fit? Oklahoma State had their chance, but they blew it too. So did Stanford, Oregon, and you could even argue the same thing for Virginia Tech. As much as I don't wanna see Alabama there, I want Houston if they're undefeated, who else has been better than Bama of the one or two loss teams?

No one. But that isn't the point. If we're going to say "Michigan had their shot" then we have to say "Alabama had their shot." Back in 2006, very few people thought Florida was better than Michigan. They were using essentially the same argument for the Wolverines then that you're using for Alabama now. I don't know if that old 2006 thread is still around, but if memory serves, the majority around here thought Michigan deserved another shot at Ohio State. That's why I find all the "no rematch" sentiment so amusing now. We seem to have done a bit of a 180 on the matter.

[Kramerica Industries]

Of all this talk about how Alabama had their shot and blew it, who else would be a better fit? Oklahoma State had their chance, but they blew it too. So did Stanford, Oregon, and you could even argue the same thing for Virginia Tech. As much as I don't wanna see Alabama there, I want Houston if they're undefeated, who else has been better than Bama of the one or two loss teams?

No one. But that isn't the point. If we're going to say "Michigan had their shot" then we have to say "Alabama had their shot." Back in 2006, very few people thought Florida was better than Michigan. They were using essentially the same argument for the Wolverines then that you're using for Alabama now. I don't know if that old 2006 thread is still around, but if memory serves, the majority around here thought Michigan deserved another shot at Ohio State. That's why I find all the "no rematch" sentiment so amusing now. We seem to have done a bit of a 180 on the matter.

I've done my approximating of what you're talking about. Go forth.

[Drew22]

How I feel about Georgia Tech fans.

Oh well. Go Dawgs!

[FiddySicks]

Of all this talk about how Alabama had their shot and blew it, who else would be a better fit? Oklahoma State had their chance, but they blew it too. So did Stanford, Oregon, and you could even argue the same thing for Virginia Tech. As much as I don't wanna see Alabama there, I want Houston if they're undefeated, who else has been better than Bama of the one or two loss teams?

No one. But that isn't the point. If we're going to say "Michigan had their shot" then we have to say "Alabama had their shot." Back in 2006, very few people thought Florida was better than Michigan. They were using essentially the same argument for the Wolverines then that you're using for Alabama now. I don't know if that old 2006 thread is still around, but if memory serves, the majority around here thought Michigan deserved another shot at Ohio State. That's why I find all the "no rematch" sentiment so amusing now. We seem to have done a bit of a 180 on the matter.

Well, a lot of people aren't going to want to hear this, but I really do think it's at least in part because of the negative stigma that the SEC has against it, here especially. I'm not jumping out and blindly accusing anyone of spreading the SEC hate because "They're the best conference ever and they can't handle it!!!11!!!Eleven!!!" or anything, but of the one loss teams I just don't see anyone who stands out of the crowd and pulls ahead of Bama. Sure Bama had some cupcakes on their schedule, but they beat them all convincingly and only lost to LSU by 3. Okie Light (I love that nickname, BTW) lost to a bad team, Virginia Tech had a pretty weak schedule, Stanford lost bad to a team who lost pretty bad to LSU, and Houston and Boise State just simply aren't going to make it as much as everyone wants them to. Overall, I just don't see anyone who really stands out. If Oklahoma State beats Oklahoma then there's a bit of an argument, but frankly I expect them to lose that game.

[NEW.ERA]

OK State will have their chance to prove how much better they are then Alabama next week, even if they beat OU I doubt it's enough to leap frog Alabama. I'm not impressed with OK State's resume so. We'll just have to see right now were just wasting words, because none of us know how it will all go down next Sunday. For all we know LSU could absolutely tank next week (Which isn't out of the question). So as of right now LSU and Bama are the two best teams in the nation, according to the computers that set the National Championship.

[RyanMcD29]

Of all this talk about how Alabama had their shot and blew it, who else would be a better fit? Oklahoma State had their chance, but they blew it too. So did Stanford, Oregon, and you could even argue the same thing for Virginia Tech. As much as I don't wanna see Alabama there, I want Houston if they're undefeated, who else has been better than Bama of the one or two loss teams?

No one. But that isn't the point. If we're going to say "Michigan had their shot" then we have to say "Alabama had their shot." Back in 2006, very few people thought Florida was better than Michigan. They were using essentially the same argument for the Wolverines then that you're using for Alabama now. I don't know if that old 2006 thread is still around, but if memory serves, the majority around here thought Michigan deserved another shot at Ohio State. That's why I find all the "no rematch" sentiment so amusing now. We seem to have done a bit of a 180 on the matter.

I've done my approximating of what you're talking about. Go forth.

Nice to know willmorris has been on the same schtick for 5 years now

I'm kinda in the boat in wanting to see something other than a LSU-Alabama rematch, but at this point, barring a complete LSU chokejob against UGA and Oklahoma State blowing out Oklahoma, I don't see what else you can put as a national championship game.

[infrared41]

I've done my approximating of what you're talking about. Go forth.

This one cracked me up. Needless to say, his argument was short lived.

Just brought this back up to see what you people think who were talking about how great the SEC was and how weak the Big Ten is. Saying Michigan's schedule was so much easier, and how overrated Wisconsin is. Well, Wisconsin beat Arkansas, and Penn State beat Tennessee, so what do you guys think now? Big Ten is 2-0 against the SEC that is supposed to be so great

[rams80]

I'm not sure Iowa State is as bad a football team as some make them out to be. They are bowl eligible despite having one fewer non-conference tin can to kick over-and indeed have two AQ non-Conference pelts. Oklahoma State tripped up in a tough Conference road outing as part of a tougher gauntlet than what Alabama had to run.

Besides, it's not like we held the 2008 Fighting Tebows' loss to Ole Miss against them.

[mania]

So as of right now LSU and Bama are the two best teams in the nation, according to the computers that set the National Championship.

Wrong. OSU is #2 in the computers... it's in the voters that they're #3.

[BLUELANDbeliever]

I just want to say this:

Tech, you're student section showed absolutely ZERO class today during halftime. During halftime, the UGA band (and Bobby Dodd stadium) did a tribute to Larry Munson by spelling out Munson on the field and recognized his passing. They then proceeded to play Glory to Ole Georgia as a tribute to his passing as that song is synonymous with his famous play calls (Run Lindsey, Hob Nail Boot, etc.) Everyone was silent. Then the Tech students RUDELY started to shout and heckle the band during a tribute to the passing of a sports icon. It's not about the schools, its about what he did for the sport, the rivalry, and his career. Again, i am only speaking about the STUDENT section (as plenty of Tech fans around me agreed and were ashamed of that behavior).

[FiddySicks]

Stanford is just absolutely outclassing Notre Dame right now in just about every way. The refs are doing all they can to help the Irish, but even that isn't helping them. Stanford's mistakes aren't even helping either, as ND can't capitalize on them. It's kind of disturbing to think that if Notre Dame hadn't blown it vs USF, and if they had pulled out just one more game, they'd automatically make a BCS bowl game.

[NEW.ERA]

So as of right now LSU and Bama are the two best teams in the nation, according to the computers that set the National Championship.

Wrong. OSU is #2 in the computers... it's in the voters that they're #3.

Then why does it say Bama is number two in the BCS Standings?

[rams80]

So as of right now LSU and Bama are the two best teams in the nation, according to the computers that set the National Championship.

Wrong. OSU is #2 in the computers... it's in the voters that they're #3.

Then why does it say Bama is number two in the BCS Standings?

Because 2/3rds of the BCS standings are determined by human polls.

[rams80]

For the love of God please grant USC a stay on their postseason ban until next year in order to salvage some dignity in the Pac 12 Title Game.