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there should be a rule that any program that won some kind of championship while major violations were occurring should be stripped of it.

I disagree. What's the point? Everyone saw the game happen and the season play out. You can't go back in time and change the outcome of the season. There's no point in taking away the trophy and taking down the banners because no coach, recruit, or fan is going to suddenly forget that championship just because the NCAA has decided it didn't happen.

Who is then the 2004 National Champions?

There just won't be one if USC's title is vacated - another reason that it's dumb to vacate titles. At least give it to Auburn or Utah if you're going to take it away from USC.

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I'm going to come out and say this and I know it'll tick a lot of people off, but when you see programs out of control like USC and Ohio State and whatever SEC program you want to name, they just get off scott free with NCAA sanctions. What the NCAA needs to do and do it now, is to start handing out Death Penalties. You start killing programs for one year, and it's going to make people think before they start doing things. The problem is the NCAA saw what happened to SMU (SMU sat out a second year), and is scared to do it again. Actually, it's what needs to happen. You need to put the fear of God into these programs, and the NCAA is like a step-parent trying to tell a kid to stop screwing up their lives. The kid is just going to laugh, flip them off, and then continue doing what their doing. The NCAA needs to start suspending programs for a year the first time 3 years the second time for major violations and a complete ban a third time for major violations, and banning coaches for a lifetime for rules violations and uncontrolled programs.

I don't know about death penalties, but yeah, the penalties should be much stricter. Tressel should be terminated by the NCAA. and the tat five should be suspended for much longer than 5 games.

Their schedule is this for the first 5 games:

Akron, Toledo, @Miami, Colorado, Michigan State. Only potential tough one out of those is the Spartans.(Maybe Miami also)

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there should be a rule that any program that won some kind of championship while major violations were occurring should be stripped of it.

I disagree. What's the point? Everyone saw the game happen and the season play out. You can't go back in time and change the outcome of the season. There's no point in taking away the trophy and taking down the banners because no coach, recruit, or fan is going to suddenly forget that championship just because the NCAA has decided it didn't happen.

The point is that is that 1: It is a major embarrassment to the program to have a championship stripped, and 2: It puts into question the legitimacy of the programs "success". But mostly it just ruins a schools reputation. And who knows; years down the line when a recruit comes in who wasn't alive at the time of the scandal is visiting, that school has a national championship that it can't claim, which could impact recruiting.

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I'd say getting caught doing the crime is where the embarrassment comes in, not taking down a couple banners. Also, when a program is caught committing major and obvious violations, its success is questioned whether the titles are vacated or not.

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To a point, I agree with what oddball posted. That said, I also highly doubt we'll see the NCAA actually enact such a drastic measure, ESPECIALLY for the higher-profile programs. Why? Too much money would be lost.

In the end...it always goes back to politics & money. (My opinion, anyway.)

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I highly doubt they'll give OSU the death penalty. This is a bad case, of course, and the Buckeyes deserve penalties, but SMU was paying their players. They had a fund specifically devoted to paying their players and they did it in the face of already-existing penalties from the NCAA. It was way worse than what OSU has done.

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I highly doubt they'll give OSU the death penalty. This is a bad case, of course, and the Buckeyes deserve penalties, but SMU was paying their players. They had a fund specifically devoted to paying their players and they did it in the face of already-existing penalties from the NCAA. It was way worse than what OSU has done.

Exactly.

OSU definitely deserves harsher punishment and Tressel should be fired but the death penalty would be way overboard. Unless the NCAA wants to force its hand, which would be a disaster for everyone.

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To a point, I agree with what oddball posted. That said, I also highly doubt we'll see the NCAA actually enact such a drastic measure, ESPECIALLY for the higher-profile programs. Why? Too much money would be lost.

In the end...it always goes back to politics & money. (My opinion, anyway.)

That and SMU went from legitimate second-tier program in terms of historic and current performance (say on the level of Utah or Arkansas or Wisky nowadays) to "ABANDON ALL HOPE ALL YE WHO ENTER HERE!" The NCAA isn't doing that to an elite-level program.

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Who is then the 2004 National Champions?

There just won't be one if USC's title is vacated - another reason that it's dumb to vacate titles. At least give it to Auburn or Utah if you're going to take it away from USC.

That's retarded. No mean really, that sounds like something that someone with severe mental incapacities would do. Who the hell are you going to give it to? Are they going to go door to door handing rings to the players and say. Hey, I know you all didn't actually win the title back then, and I know you're an insurance salesman now, but here's a ring saying you won it all! WOO! Good fer yuuu! Oh, but since you're out of school now go ahead and sell that puppy if you want.

This whole thing is so stupid. Regardless of what they do at this point, USC still won those titles when they did. What the hell do the players or coaches, or in a lot of cases even the fans, care what the record books say?

But I will say this. If the NCAA is so quick to lay the smackdown on USC and ban them from title games and bowl games for two years, they better do the exact same things to Ohio State, regardless of how much money they make everyone.

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Who is then the 2004 National Champions?

There just won't be one if USC's title is vacated - another reason that it's dumb to vacate titles. At least give it to Auburn or Utah if you're going to take it away from USC.

That's retarded. No mean really, that sounds like something that someone with severe mental incapacities would do. Who the hell are you going to give it to? Are they going to go door to door handing rings to the players and say. Hey, I know you all didn't actually win the title back then, and I know you're an insurance salesman now, but here's a ring saying you won it all! WOO! Good fer yuuu! Oh, but since you're out of school now go ahead and sell that puppy if you want.

This whole thing is so stupid. Regardless of what they do at this point, USC still won those titles when they did. What the hell do the players or coaches, or in a lot of cases even the fans, care what the record books say?

But I will say this. If the NCAA is so quick to lay the smackdown on USC and ban them from title games and bowl games for two years, they better do the exact same things to Ohio State, regardless of how much money they make everyone.

Dude, Reggie bush got a freaking Escalade and free housing for his family. That is way worse than discounts on tattoos and other memorabilia. The big thing about Ohio State is not the actually action, but the cover-up by the coach.

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Who is then the 2004 National Champions?

There just won't be one if USC's title is vacated - another reason that it's dumb to vacate titles. At least give it to Auburn or Utah if you're going to take it away from USC.

That's retarded. No mean really, that sounds like something that someone with severe mental incapacities would do. Who the hell are you going to give it to? Are they going to go door to door handing rings to the players and say. Hey, I know you all didn't actually win the title back then, and I know you're an insurance salesman now, but here's a ring saying you won it all! WOO! Good fer yuuu! Oh, but since you're out of school now go ahead and sell that puppy if you want.

This whole thing is so stupid. Regardless of what they do at this point, USC still won those titles when they did. What the hell do the players or coaches, or in a lot of cases even the fans, care what the record books say?

But I will say this. If the NCAA is so quick to lay the smackdown on USC and ban them from title games and bowl games for two years, they better do the exact same things to Ohio State, regardless of how much money they make everyone.

Dude, Reggie bush got a freaking Escalade and free housing for his family. That is way worse than discounts on tattoos and other memorabilia. The big thing about Ohio State is not the actually action, but the cover-up by the coach.

It's also one person versus blatant program-wide disregard of NCAA rules. If this was Ohio, everybody would be calling this a textbook case of "Lack of Institutional Control" and the NCAA would have already pushed the "smite" button with extreme prejudice.

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Who is then the 2004 National Champions?

There just won't be one if USC's title is vacated - another reason that it's dumb to vacate titles. At least give it to Auburn or Utah if you're going to take it away from USC.

That's retarded. No mean really, that sounds like something that someone with severe mental incapacities would do. Who the hell are you going to give it to? Are they going to go door to door handing rings to the players and say. Hey, I know you all didn't actually win the title back then, and I know you're an insurance salesman now, but here's a ring saying you won it all! WOO! Good fer yuuu! Oh, but since you're out of school now go ahead and sell that puppy if you want.

This whole thing is so stupid. Regardless of what they do at this point, USC still won those titles when they did. What the hell do the players or coaches, or in a lot of cases even the fans, care what the record books say?

But I will say this. If the NCAA is so quick to lay the smackdown on USC and ban them from title games and bowl games for two years, they better do the exact same things to Ohio State, regardless of how much money they make everyone.

Dude, Reggie bush got a freaking Escalade and free housing for his family. That is way worse than discounts on tattoos and other memorabilia. The big thing about Ohio State is not the actually action, but the cover-up by the coach.

Either way it's still an extremely large lack of institutional control, which is why USC got the ban. Why should Ohio State be let off the hook for trying to cover up problems that they knew to exist? Sure they weren't as severe (That we know of), but instead of doing what they should've they knowingly shoved them under the mat with the hopes that nobody would find out.

And to Lights Out, I agree with that point completely, but it still makes zero sense to reassign the championship. IMO that'd be an even bigger mockery of the already screwed up system that is college football.

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Who is then the 2004 National Champions?

There just won't be one if USC's title is vacated - another reason that it's dumb to vacate titles. At least give it to Auburn or Utah if you're going to take it away from USC.

That's retarded. No mean really, that sounds like something that someone with severe mental incapacities would do. Who the hell are you going to give it to? Are they going to go door to door handing rings to the players and say. Hey, I know you all didn't actually win the title back then, and I know you're an insurance salesman now, but here's a ring saying you won it all! WOO! Good fer yuuu! Oh, but since you're out of school now go ahead and sell that puppy if you want.

This whole thing is so stupid. Regardless of what they do at this point, USC still won those titles when they did. What the hell do the players or coaches, or in a lot of cases even the fans, care what the record books say?

But I will say this. If the NCAA is so quick to lay the smackdown on USC and ban them from title games and bowl games for two years, they better do the exact same things to Ohio State, regardless of how much money they make everyone.

Dude, Reggie bush got a freaking Escalade and free housing for his family. That is way worse than discounts on tattoos and other memorabilia. The big thing about Ohio State is not the actually action, but the cover-up by the coach.

Either way it's still an extremely large lack of institutional control, which is why USC got the ban. Why should Ohio State be let off the hook for trying to cover up problems that they knew to exist? Sure they weren't as severe (That we know of), but instead of doing what they should've they knowingly shoved them under the mat with the hopes that nobody would find out.

And to Lights Out, I agree with that point completely, but it still makes zero sense to reassign the championship. IMO that'd be an even bigger mockery of the already screwed up system that is college football.

I think it's worse to not have a champion. SOMEBODY has to win it.

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Who is then the 2004 National Champions?

There just won't be one if USC's title is vacated - another reason that it's dumb to vacate titles. At least give it to Auburn or Utah if you're going to take it away from USC.

That's retarded. No mean really, that sounds like something that someone with severe mental incapacities would do. Who the hell are you going to give it to? Are they going to go door to door handing rings to the players and say. Hey, I know you all didn't actually win the title back then, and I know you're an insurance salesman now, but here's a ring saying you won it all! WOO! Good fer yuuu! Oh, but since you're out of school now go ahead and sell that puppy if you want.

This whole thing is so stupid. Regardless of what they do at this point, USC still won those titles when they did. What the hell do the players or coaches, or in a lot of cases even the fans, care what the record books say?

But I will say this. If the NCAA is so quick to lay the smackdown on USC and ban them from title games and bowl games for two years, they better do the exact same things to Ohio State, regardless of how much money they make everyone.

Dude, Reggie bush got a freaking Escalade and free housing for his family. That is way worse than discounts on tattoos and other memorabilia. The big thing about Ohio State is not the actually action, but the cover-up by the coach.

Either way it's still an extremely large lack of institutional control, which is why USC got the ban. Why should Ohio State be let off the hook for trying to cover up problems that they knew to exist? Sure they weren't as severe (That we know of), but instead of doing what they should've they knowingly shoved them under the mat with the hopes that nobody would find out.

And to Lights Out, I agree with that point completely, but it still makes zero sense to reassign the championship. IMO that'd be an even bigger mockery of the already screwed up system that is college football.

I think it's worse to not have a champion. SOMEBODY has to win it.

Agree to disagree then.

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Who is then the 2004 National Champions?

There just won't be one if USC's title is vacated - another reason that it's dumb to vacate titles. At least give it to Auburn or Utah if you're going to take it away from USC.

That's retarded. No mean really, that sounds like something that someone with severe mental incapacities would do. Who the hell are you going to give it to? Are they going to go door to door handing rings to the players and say. Hey, I know you all didn't actually win the title back then, and I know you're an insurance salesman now, but here's a ring saying you won it all! WOO! Good fer yuuu! Oh, but since you're out of school now go ahead and sell that puppy if you want.

This whole thing is so stupid. Regardless of what they do at this point, USC still won those titles when they did. What the hell do the players or coaches, or in a lot of cases even the fans, care what the record books say?

But I will say this. If the NCAA is so quick to lay the smackdown on USC and ban them from title games and bowl games for two years, they better do the exact same things to Ohio State, regardless of how much money they make everyone.

Dude, Reggie bush got a freaking Escalade and free housing for his family. That is way worse than discounts on tattoos and other memorabilia. The big thing about Ohio State is not the actually action, but the cover-up by the coach.

Either way it's still an extremely large lack of institutional control, which is why USC got the ban. Why should Ohio State be let off the hook for trying to cover up problems that they knew to exist? Sure they weren't as severe (That we know of), but instead of doing what they should've they knowingly shoved them under the mat with the hopes that nobody would find out.

And to Lights Out, I agree with that point completely, but it still makes zero sense to reassign the championship. IMO that'd be an even bigger mockery of the already screwed up system that is college football.

I think it's worse to not have a champion. SOMEBODY has to win it.

USC did. And then they didn't thanks to the magic of the NCAA's retcon button. But since the retcon button can't sim results for hypothetical games, there is no other champion.

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And to Lights Out, I agree with that point completely, but it still makes zero sense to reassign the championship. IMO that'd be an even bigger mockery of the already screwed up system that is college football.

Wouldn't having a blank space where the 2004 title is supposed to go be more embarrassing to the NCAA and the college football world? Of course, the simpler solution is to not vacate titles.

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