2011NCAA Football Thread

[ninersdd]

And to Lights Out, I agree with that point completely, but it still makes zero sense to reassign the championship. IMO that'd be an even bigger mockery of the already screwed up system that is college football.

Wouldn't having a blank space where the 2004 title is

supposed to go be more embarrassing to the NCAA and the college football world? Of course, the simpler solution is to not vacate titles.

Just like the NHL in 2005.

[FiddySicks]

And to Lights Out, I agree with that point completely, but it still makes zero sense to reassign the championship. IMO that'd be an even bigger mockery of the already screwed up system that is college football.

Wouldn't having a blank space where the 2004 title is

supposed to go be more embarrassing to the NCAA and the college football world? Of course, the simpler solution is to not vacate titles.

Just like the NHL in 2005.

Different reasons, but yeah, kinda. It'd be like if after the strike ended the 94 season they just handed the World Series to the Expos.

[thespleenenator]

And to Lights Out, I agree with that point completely, but it still makes zero sense to reassign the championship. IMO that'd be an even bigger mockery of the already screwed up system that is college football.

Wouldn't having a blank space where the 2004 title is

supposed to go be more embarrassing to the NCAA and the college football world? Of course, the simpler solution is to not vacate titles.

Just like the NHL in 2005.

Different reasons, but yeah, kinda. It'd be like if after the strike ended the 94 season they just handed the World Series to the Expos.

IMO that's what they should've done.

[rams80]

And to Lights Out, I agree with that point completely, but it still makes zero sense to reassign the championship. IMO that'd be an even bigger mockery of the already screwed up system that is college football.

Wouldn't having a blank space where the 2004 title is

supposed to go be more embarrassing to the NCAA and the college football world? Of course, the simpler solution is to not vacate titles.

Just like the NHL in 2005.

Different reasons, but yeah, kinda. It'd be like if after the strike ended the 94 season they just handed the World Series to the Expos.

IMO that's what they should've done.

It's a little early to be trolling, don't you think?

[thespleenenator]

And to Lights Out, I agree with that point completely, but it still makes zero sense to reassign the championship. IMO that'd be an even bigger mockery of the already screwed up system that is college football.

Wouldn't having a blank space where the 2004 title is

supposed to go be more embarrassing to the NCAA and the college football world? Of course, the simpler solution is to not vacate titles.

Just like the NHL in 2005.

Different reasons, but yeah, kinda. It'd be like if after the strike ended the 94 season they just handed the World Series to the Expos.

IMO that's what they should've done.

It's a little early to be trolling, don't you think?

I'm not trolling, I really think they should've done that. It was clear that the Expos were the best team in the League. If anything give it to them out of pity or something.

[rams80]

And to Lights Out, I agree with that point completely, but it still makes zero sense to reassign the championship. IMO that'd be an even bigger mockery of the already screwed up system that is college football.

Wouldn't having a blank space where the 2004 title is

supposed to go be more embarrassing to the NCAA and the college football world? Of course, the simpler solution is to not vacate titles.

Just like the NHL in 2005.

Different reasons, but yeah, kinda. It'd be like if after the strike ended the 94 season they just handed the World Series to the Expos.

IMO that's what they should've done.

It's a little early to be trolling, don't you think?

I'm not trolling, I really think they should've done that. It was clear that the Expos were the best team in the League. If anything give it to them out of pity or something.

Atlanta was only 6 games back and coming off of a 104-win season. There's no guarantee the Expos would have even made the World Series.

[thespleenenator]

And to Lights Out, I agree with that point completely, but it still makes zero sense to reassign the championship. IMO that'd be an even bigger mockery of the already screwed up system that is college football.

Wouldn't having a blank space where the 2004 title is

supposed to go be more embarrassing to the NCAA and the college football world? Of course, the simpler solution is to not vacate titles.

Just like the NHL in 2005.

Different reasons, but yeah, kinda. It'd be like if after the strike ended the 94 season they just handed the World Series to the Expos.

IMO that's what they should've done.

It's a little early to be trolling, don't you think?

I'm not trolling, I really think they should've done that. It was clear that the Expos were the best team in the League. If anything give it to them out of pity or something.

Atlanta was only 6 games back and coming off of a 104-win season. There's no guarantee the Expos would have even made the World Series.

I just want to give it to them because maybe then we wouldn't have the uninspired Nationals. BRING BACK THE EXPOS!

[FiddySicks]

And to Lights Out, I agree with that point completely, but it still makes zero sense to reassign the championship. IMO that'd be an even bigger mockery of the already screwed up system that is college football.

Wouldn't having a blank space where the 2004 title is

supposed to go be more embarrassing to the NCAA and the college football world? Of course, the simpler solution is to not vacate titles.

Just like the NHL in 2005.

Different reasons, but yeah, kinda. It'd be like if after the strike ended the 94 season they just handed the World Series to the Expos.

IMO that's what they should've done.

It's a little early to be trolling, don't you think?

I'm not trolling, I really think they should've done that. It was clear that the Expos were the best team in the League. If anything give it to them out of pity or something.

Atlanta was only 6 games back and coming off of a 104-win season. There's no guarantee the Expos would have even made the World Series.

I just want to give it to them because maybe then we wouldn't have the uninspired Nationals. BRING BACK THE EXPOS!

Since Rams80 is part of this thread, I'll use this.

[thespleenenator]

And to Lights Out, I agree with that point completely, but it still makes zero sense to reassign the championship. IMO that'd be an even bigger mockery of the already screwed up system that is college football.

Wouldn't having a blank space where the 2004 title is

supposed to go be more embarrassing to the NCAA and the college football world? Of course, the simpler solution is to not vacate titles.

Just like the NHL in 2005.

Different reasons, but yeah, kinda. It'd be like if after the strike ended the 94 season they just handed the World Series to the Expos.

IMO that's what they should've done.

It's a little early to be trolling, don't you think?

I'm not trolling, I really think they should've done that. It was clear that the Expos were the best team in the League. If anything give it to them out of pity or something.

Atlanta was only 6 games back and coming off of a 104-win season. There's no guarantee the Expos would have even made the World Series.

I just want to give it to them because maybe then we wouldn't have the uninspired Nationals. BRING BACK THE EXPOS!

Since Rams80 is part of this thread, I'll use this.

I just don't like the thought of not having a champion. You could say "Well the game was never played out. How do we know who the real champion is?". How do you know TCU wasn't really last years best team?

[rams80]

We don't, although I don't see even TCU's defense stopping Cam Newton with anything short of a Glock.

[thespleenenator]

We don't, although I don't see even TCU's defense stopping Cam Newton with anything short of a Glock.

Nobody thought that they could slow down James White and Montee Ball as well, but they did. I guess what I'm saying is that it wouldn't be any less arbitrary giving the 2004 National championship to someone else as the way the National Championship is decided now (ok, maybe a bit less arbitrary, but still).

[rams80]

We don't, although I don't see even TCU's defense stopping Cam Newton with anything short of a Glock.

Nobody thought that they could slow down James White and Montee Ball as well, but they did. I guess what I'm saying is that it wouldn't be any less arbitrary giving the 2004 National championship to someone else as the way the National Championship is decided now (ok, maybe a bit less arbitrary, but still).

Begging your pardon, but Cam Newton presents a slightly greater schematic challenge than Wisconsin's sledgehammer option.

[thespleenenator]

We don't, although I don't see even TCU's defense stopping Cam Newton with anything short of a Glock.

Nobody thought that they could slow down James White and Montee Ball as well, but they did. I guess what I'm saying is that it wouldn't be any less arbitrary giving the 2004 National championship to someone else as the way the National Championship is decided now (ok, maybe a bit less arbitrary, but still).

Begging your pardon, but Cam Newton presents a slightly greater schematic challenge than Wisconsin's sledgehammer option.

The Ducks managed to slow him down, and they didn't have the defense TCU did. It was Michael Dyer and bad reads in the red zone that cost us the game.

[RyanMcD29]

I feel it's a wee bit early for an NCAA Football season thread, as generally I see the release of EA's NCAA Football game as the starting point, but I'll add in some news anyway considering it looks like this thread's gaining some traction.

ABC will be airing a second bowl game this year. No, it's not a bowl game you think it is

[NEW.ERA]

I feel it's a wee bit early for an NCAA Football season thread, as generally I see the release of EA's NCAA Football game as the starting point, but I'll add in some news anyway considering it looks like this thread's gaining some traction.

ABC will be airing a second bowl game this year. No, it's not a bowl game you think it is

That's actually pretty awesome. I miss the days when it was the Mountain West Champ vs. the Conference USA Champ.

[NJTank]

Ohio State is coming off as an incredibly corrupt program.

Aaron Kniffin, the Columbus, Ohio car salesman linked to Ohio State?s internal investigation into athletes receiving alleged preferential treatment, told Sporting News on Friday that every deal he made with players was cleared by the school?s NCAA compliance department ? in direct contrast to Ohio State?s claims.

Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/feed/2010-12/osu-suspensions/story/car-dealer-osu-compliance-director-called-me-over-50-times?icid=maing-grid7%7Caim%7Cdl5%7Csec1_lnk3%7C66752#ixzz1Nh8s2TDR

[HedleyLamarr]

I feel it's a wee bit early for an NCAA Football season thread, as generally I see the release of EA's NCAA Football game as the starting point, but I'll add in some news anyway considering it looks like this thread's gaining some traction.

ABC will be airing a second bowl game this year. No, it's not a bowl game you think it is

ABC better pray they don't get a Liberty Bowl that was similarly played to last year's....

[infrared41]

Ohio State is coming off as an incredibly corrupt program.

Aaron Kniffin, the Columbus, Ohio car salesman linked to Ohio State?s internal investigation into athletes receiving alleged preferential treatment, told Sporting News on Friday that every deal he made with players was cleared by the school?s NCAA compliance department ? in direct contrast to Ohio State?s claims.

Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/feed/2010-12/osu-suspensions/story/car-dealer-osu-compliance-director-called-me-over-50-times?icid=maing-grid7%7Caim%7Cdl5%7Csec1_lnk3%7C66752#ixzz1Nh8s2TDR

This is just going to keep getting worse for Ohio State. The tattoos for rings deal appears to be just the tip of the iceberg. No way Tressel survives this. On calls for Ohio State to get "the death penalty", people seem to forget that SMU had been busted quite a few times before the NCAA finally pulled the trigger. I'm certainly not defending Ohio State and they deserve what they get from this, but they've got a ways to go before we get into "death penalty" territory.

Finally... You heard it here first, Urban Meyer is the next head coach at Ohio State.

[Lights Out]

I still support the death penalty for Ohio State. If the NCAA is going to slap a school with "lack of institutional control" for letting recruits sleep on a couch while their housing is arranged and cheating in women's tennis, then the punishment for Ohio State's unending parade of corruption should be as severe as possible. Plus, it's about time the BCS schools are forced to clean up their act. Maybe we'll actually see a more equal playing field once the SEC is forced to stop oversigning, the USCs of the world are forced to stop giving gifts to players, the Ohio States of the world are forced to stop lying and covering up their violations, etc. The fact is, small schools and even non-"traditional" BCS programs are held to a stricter disciplinary standard than the blue-blood BCS schools, and that needs to end.

Also, infrared: somehow, I doubt a coach who presided over 30 arrests and several recruiting violations at Florida would be the right choice if Ohio State wants to stop getting in trouble.

[infrared41]

I still support the death penalty for Ohio State. If the NCAA is going to slap a school with "lack of institutional control" for letting recruits sleep on a couch while their housing is arranged and cheating in women's tennis, then the punishment for Ohio State's unending parade of corruption should be as severe as possible. Plus, it's about time the BCS schools are forced to clean up their act. Maybe we'll actually see a more equal playing field once the SEC is forced to stop oversigning, the USCs of the world are forced to stop giving gifts to players, the Ohio States of the world are forced to stop lying and covering up their violations, etc. The fact is, small schools and even non-"traditional" BCS programs are held to a stricter disciplinary standard than the blue-blood BCS schools, and that needs to end.

Also, infrared: somehow, I doubt a coach who presided over 30 arrests and several recruiting violations at Florida would be the right choice if Ohio State wants to stop getting in trouble.

Unending parade of corruption? That's overstating just a bit don't you think? I realize that as a Boise State fan you'd love to see us get shut down and all but Ohio State isn't exactly in SMU territory here. Not yet at least.

Anyway, I don't think the NCAA is going to go "death penalty" simply because, if memory serves, Ohio State hasn't committed enough continuous infractions to warrant it; yet. I believe the NCAA has a process and Ohio State needs to get busted a few more times before they get the death penalty. What I'm trying to say here is that Ohio State is at step one and the death penalty can't be imposed until like step ten. Someone who knows more about it can explain it better than I can. All I know is that this "unending parade of corruption" will not result in the death penalty. In fact, I figure I'm going to be spending a good deal of this coming college football season taking flack over how "easy" the NCAA went on the Buckeyes in all this. Don't get me wrong, I think what they've done deserves whatever they get but I don't think they've done nearly enough to warrant the "death penalty." Look at the bright side, we're basically handing a BCS bowl berth to some other team.

On your second point, does "I learned my lesson at Florida and I can assure you that what happened at Florida won't happen at Ohio State..." sound like something we might be hearing?