2011NCAA Football Thread

[thespleenenator]

No, it doesn't, but if Oregon's offense was as unstoppable as you make it out to be, then they would have won. They didn't. They choked. Again.

Niether teams offense were scoring that game. Either team could have one that game. This whole notion that the offense was "shut down" is ridiculous.

And if your choking theory is correct, than Oklahoma is definitely not going to the national championship game.

[Still MIGHTY]

Dear God. Will the both of you just shut up?

Oregon is still going to be a good team. Stanford still has the best QB in the conference and probably the entire country. It's between Oregon and Stanford for the Pac-12 North. Whoever wins that game wins that division. Oregon is always going to put up a ton of yards, but they have to put the ball into the endzone and stop the otherside of the ball. Andrew Luck is going to put up the numbers for Stanford, but it's up to the rest of his team to pull it through, and we don't know how that;s going to turn out yet.

Besides, we all know ASU is winning the South and knocking out either of them anyways But seriously on that point, ASU kept with Oregon until Threet threw some bad balls and they Devils couldn't keep up in the 3rd quarter, and the 4th quarter brought the game a little closer. Then against Stanford, ASU was poised to knock them off but an absolute BS facemask penalty was called (the Pac-10 even said so after the game) which was followed by Burfict exploding for another penalty that basically gave Stanford the game. Granted both games were in Tempe, but they were close games.

ASU plays Oregon in Autzen in October, so we'll see how that plays out and the Devils do skip out on Stanford. Stanford hosts Oregon in November. But those two games will probably determine who is playing in the Pac-12 title game and where.

[FiddySicks]

Dear God. Will the both of you just shut up?

Amen to that. You two are by far the worst posters I've ever seen here, and I've seen some doozies in my time.

[rams80]

Oregon's just not that good? Andrew Luck's the best player in college football? That's how they win the North.

If you honestly think that, you don't pay attention to college football. One player does not make a team (well, except for Cam Newton I guess, but he had better than average running backs).

OK, how about this? Oregon-Stanford's at Stanford this season. Is that reason enough?

[thespleenenator]

Dear God. Will the both of you just shut up?

Oregon is still going to be a good team. Stanford still has the best QB in the conference and probably the entire country. It's between Oregon and Stanford for the Pac-12 North. Whoever wins that game wins that division. Oregon is always going to put up a ton of yards, but they have to put the ball into the endzone and stop the otherside of the ball. Andrew Luck is going to put up the numbers for Stanford, but it's up to the rest of his team to pull it through, and we don't know how that;s going to turn out yet.

Besides, we all know ASU is winning the South and knocking out either of them anyways But seriously on that point, ASU kept with Oregon until Threet threw some bad balls and they Devils couldn't keep up in the 3rd quarter, and the 4th quarter brought the game a little closer. Then against Stanford, ASU was poised to knock them off but an absolute BS facemask penalty was called (the Pac-10 even said so after the game) which was followed by Burfict exploding for another penalty that basically gave Stanford the game. Granted both games were in Tempe, but they were close games.

ASU plays Oregon in Autzen in October, so we'll see how that plays out and the Devils do skip out on Stanford. Stanford hosts Oregon in November. But those two games will probably determine who is playing in the Pac-12 title game and where.

In all honesty, I thought ASU was going to win that game. I was shocked that Oregon won (who throws 7 picks?). I see Stanford going 9-3. Lost too many lineman and don't have enough depth to compensate.

[thespleenenator]

Oregon's just not that good? Andrew Luck's the best player in college football? That's how they win the North.

If you honestly think that, you don't pay attention to college football. One player does not make a team (well, except for Cam Newton I guess, but he had better than average running backs).

OK, how about this? Oregon-Stanford's at Stanford this season. Is that reason enough?

Stanford fans don't exactly provide much of a home field advantage.

[RyanMcD29]

With the PAC 12 bickering in this thread (well, more like Kevin and Spleen), I feel like I'm clicking on Rams80 and Tnak in the Obama Nation thread at times. Good grief

I'd also like to take this opportunity to premiere my preseason avatar before it goes full-strength Rex Ryan win/loss time

[Cola]

National Championship prediction:

Oklahoma/Stanford/Wisconsin vs SEC team

I feel more comfortable with Oklahoma, because of their talent within that league...although they tend to drop a game or two because of the shootouts in that same league. Wisconsin I like, because their schedule favors a good run if they can take care of Ohio State. Stanford, I just don't see them making it on the back of Luck...he is great but can his teammates keep up? I really don't think so.

Call me bias, but I haven't seen anything to make me believe the SEC won't bring home a 6th title this season.

[rams80]

*mood music*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zGB3bpZATs

Good news Miami fans! The last decade didn't happen!

Bad news: When the NCAA is through with you, you're going to wish this decade didn't happen either!

[Guest]

Sweet Jesus, Miami is toast. Whatever they get will surely be the death penalty of this era.

[rams80]

Miami's basketball team may not exist after this year either. And some of the ACC's stronger football mercenaries may have just reconsidered SEC membership.

[jkrdevil]

The NCAA might actually have to come down hard on Miami given this is going to embarrass the NCAA as well. The head of the committee on infractions is Paul Dee who was the Miami AD when this all went on. I'm sure USC will be looking at how the Miami case goes given what they got and this is much much worse.

[thespleenenator]

Wait, this is Miami? For a second there, I thought they were talking about the SMU scandal

[rams80]

The NCAA might actually have to come down hard on Miami given this is going to embarrass the NCAA as well. The head of the committee on infractions is Paul Dee who was the Miami AD when this all went on. I'm sure USC will be looking at how the Miami case goes given what they got and this is much much worse.

Yeah, if one photo is all it took to nail USC to a wall, well...I never thought I'd see a scandal in which a TV ban struck me as "lenient". At least we have a better idea about why OSU et. al. have been relatively skating by this offseason. Miami just re-zeroed the punishment baseline.

[jkrdevil]

The NCAA might actually have to come down hard on Miami given this is going to embarrass the NCAA as well. The head of the committee on infractions is Paul Dee who was the Miami AD when this all went on. I'm sure USC will be looking at how the Miami case goes given what they got and this is much much worse.

Yeah, if one photo is all it took to nail USC to a wall, well...I never thought I'd see a scandal in which a TV ban struck me as "lenient". At least we have a better idea about why OSU et. al. have been relatively skating by this offseason. Miami just re-zeroed the punishment baseline.

The NCAA can't play like everyone was dumb here. The is doubly embarrassing for the NCAA (I'm talking about actually NCAA organization) The guy they put in charge to over see punishment for this type of stuff turned out to be the head of a major program during the time all this occurred. And this stuff is bad, not only is is a booster giving cash to players it is also where that cash came from. This booster ran a ponzi scheme and is why he is jail now. It was stolen money basically that not only got in the players hands but the school took itself. That's bad, much worse than an agent loaning a player some money. Obviously none of them knew the money was basically stolen, but you look at the other actions he made during this time frame he should have been a red flag of a booster.

This is like Eliot Spitzer getting caught with a prostitute after he was the one in charge of cracking down on prostitution. The pressure on the NCAA is going to immense. They may just have to serve up Miami as a sacrificial lamb.

[jkrdevil]

One of the people who lost money is Shapiro's Ponzi Scheme. Wisconsin Coach Barry Alverez who lost close to 1 million dollars.

http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/education/campus_connection/article_aeafb5cc-c85b-11e0-b938-001cc4c002e0.html

The implication with this is that he was probably introduces to Shapiro through Shalala, the Miami president. Going to be hard for the U to claim ignorance.

[rams80]

Kellen Winslow Jr. crashed a jetski into a boat and Shapiro's money made the whole thing go away.

[dfwabel]

1- So Kellen had better luck than Sean Kingston.

2- The University of Miami has been the backdrop for other Ponzi schemes one which has included university employees.

3-It's south Florida, where the numerous people who ae trying go get very fast money or to prey on the retired.

Just a simple Google search of "Miami + Ponzi scheme" will give you a list of cases. It is not how the man got his money to give athletes (and a coach) and improper benefit, it is the fact that they were given illegal benefits period. Here is an even bigger South Florida example.

4- When the coaches get caught up in the need for the amazingly good ROI, in a scheme with an AAU coach, I think that players (labor) should be wanting an overhaul in the current system. Then there is the case of fellow coach Jim Donnan too who bilked his former colleagues.

[thespleenenator]

For Miami, the Death Penalty is could very well happen

[dfwabel]

The NCAA might actually have to come down hard on Miami given this is going to embarrass the NCAA as well. The head of the committee on infractions is Paul Dee who was the Miami AD when this all went on. I'm sure USC will be looking at how the Miami case goes given what they got and this is much much worse.

Yeah, if one photo is all it took to nail USC to a wall, well...I never thought I'd see a scandal in which a TV ban struck me as "lenient". At least we have a better idea about why OSU et. al. have been relatively skating by this offseason. Miami just re-zeroed the punishment baseline.

The NCAA can't play like everyone was dumb here. The is doubly embarrassing for the NCAA (I'm talking about actually NCAA organization) The guy they put in charge to over see punishment for this type of stuff turned out to be the head of a major program during the time all this occurred. And this stuff is bad, not only is is a booster giving cash to players it is also where that cash came from. This booster ran a ponzi scheme and is why he is jail now. It was stolen money basically that not only got in the players hands but the school took itself. That's bad, much worse than an agent loaning a player some money. Obviously none of them knew the money was basically stolen, but you look at the other actions he made during this time frame he should have been a red flag of a booster.

This is like Eliot Spitzer getting caught with a prostitute after he was the one in charge of cracking down on prostitution. The pressure on the NCAA is going to immense. They may just have to serve up Miami as a sacrificial lamb.

But what is his motive to give information to the NCAA who does not have subpoena power? Last August while jailed, he tried to get his book published. There were no takers, but Yahoo! Sports, so he now releases this information BEFORE the book is published?

If he does not talk, he is basically Sam Gilbert.

Sam Gilbert. If Wooden was the father figure of UCLA basketball, Gilbert was its shadowy one.

Gilbert was a small, burly, self-made man with unfettered devotion to the Bruins. He could be benevolent yet, to nose-poking reporters, a bully. He attended UCLA in the 1930s but did not graduate, later to make his fortune as a contractor.

UCLA players recalled his showing up after Bruins games in the 1960s, dispensing apples and oranges.

He forged bonds with many Bruins who helped hang 10 national championship banners from 1964 to 1975, the year Wooden retired.

Gilbert held dinners at his home, provided UCLA players with advice, counsel and much, much more. He was "Papa Sam" to UCLA's parade of All-Americans ? he even negotiated contracts, usually taking only a dollar, when the NBA beckoned various Bruins.

"There were two people I listened to," former UCLA star Lucius Allen once told The Times. "Coach Wooden as long as we were between the lines. Outside the court ? Sam Gilbert."

Wooden was wary of Gilbert but generally turned a blind eye.

"Maybe I had tunnel vision," Wooden once said. "I still don't think he's had any great impact on the basketball program."

Gilbert's influence ultimately helped land UCLA basketball on NCAA probation. In December 1981, UCLA was cited for nine infractions and received two years' probation, which included a one-year NCAA tournament ban and an order to vacate its 1980 NCAA national title game appearance against Louisville.

The most serious allegation levied against Gilbert was that he co-signed a promissory note so a player could buy a car. The NCAA ordered UCLA to disassociate Gilbert from its recruiting process.

Larry Brown was UCLA's basketball coach in 1980; none of the violations were tied to Wooden's era.

A 1981 Times investigative series, which interviewed 45 people connected with the basketball program, established Gilbert as "a one-man clearing house who has enabled players and their families to receive goods and services usually at big discounts and sometimes at no cost."