NCAA Infractions thread

[thespleenenator]

Looks like Oregon isn't the only other school in trouble with lyles

[Brave-Bird 08]

All of this stuff depresses me. I just hope my Dawgs don't fall into the same boat, and that the season can start so we can get back to talking about football between the lines!

[RyanMcD29]

So, umm, by the end of the 2011 football season it'll be Akron vs. Duke in the "least amount of football infractions bowl"? Note the use of football infractions, because who knows with Akron men's soccer or Duke men's lacrosse being successful haha

[rams80]

So, umm, by the end of the 2011 football season it'll be Akron vs. Duke in the "least amount of football infractions bowl"? Note the use of football infractions, because who knows with Akron men's soccer or Duke men's lacrosse being successful haha

Would you believe Penn State and Stanford?

[Lights Out]

At this point, I'm just going to assume that every blue-blood, big-money, traditional AQ program is cheating on a grand scale.

I mean, out of last season's postseason AP top 10, six schools (Auburn, Oregon, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Alabama, and the one exception to my criteria, Boise State) have been embroiled in a cheating scandal in the past six years. One more (LSU) may find themselves in the same boat if Lyles is telling the truth about their involvement with him. The NCAA has not demonstrated any ability to control cheating in the big football programs, and sadly, it still takes intense public and media pressure for the NCAA to act when a program is caught cheating. The NCAA is a joke.

[RyanMcD29]

So, umm, by the end of the 2011 football season it'll be Akron vs. Duke in the "least amount of football infractions bowl"? Note the use of football infractions, because who knows with Akron men's soccer or Duke men's lacrosse being successful haha

Would you believe Penn State and Stanford?

Penn State? Yeah, I think Paterno's kinda in that Coach K category of sticking to the rules. Stanford? No, I have a gut feeling things are a little fishy with the Harbaugh-era, even as the top academic D-1A school. Hell, Harvard basketball had infractions a few years ago so anything's possible

[thespleenenator]

At this point, I'm just going to assume that every blue-blood, big-money, traditional AQ program is cheating on a grand scale.

I mean, out of last season's postseason AP top 10, six schools (Auburn, Oregon, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Alabama, and the one exception to my criteria, Boise State) have been embroiled in a cheating scandal in the past six years. One more (LSU) may find themselves in the same boat if Lyles is telling the truth about their involvement with him. The NCAA has not demonstrated any ability to control cheating in the big football programs, and sadly, it still takes intense public and media pressure for the NCAA to act when a program is caught cheating. The NCAA is a joke.

I would take it a step further and just assume all D1 programs are cheating. Hell, why not just say that every college program has been cheating for the last 2 decades, possibly further. Do you honestly think Barry Switzer and Bobby Bowden were clean coaches? Behind every successful program, there is a dark secret.

[tBBP]

If ya ain't cheatin', ya ain't tryin'.

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[Lights Out]

I would take it a step further and just assume all D1 programs are cheating. Hell, why not just say that every college program has been cheating for the last 2 decades, possibly further.

I wouldn't go that far. I doubt, say, Akron has the resources and clout to cheat. And if they are cheating, they suck at it.

[RyanMcD29]

You know, while we're talking about vacating wins, can the NCAA find some infractions for the G-Rob era at Syracuse so they can vacate those 4 or less-win seasons?

[ElwoodCuse]

So when does big time college football tell the NCAA and BCS to go F themselves and make their own league? I laugh and laugh when people talk about the integrity and tradition of the sport. Pay the players, have a playoff, blow up the conferences, I don't care. This is a minor league for the NFL and has been for years.

[dfwabel]

So when does big time college football tell the NCAA and BCS to go F themselves and make their own league? I laugh and laugh when people talk about the integrity and tradition of the sport. Pay the players, have a playoff, blow up the conferences, I don't care. This is a minor league for the NFL and has been for years.

That has been a thought for many, most recently Mark Cuban. Yet for a team(s) to leave, they need others enough to have not just a football schedule but a schedule for their other sports. The ancillary sports must be included due to Title IX. If one with nine or more want to break away, they could but they would also know that there other sports would have to compete with themselves too and those may not be televised.

The CFA broke away from the NCAA in 1984 terms of televised football games (through SCOTUS) and it had assisted in gaining revenue for institutions but even it disbanded in 1997.

Also remember, if players are paid, that money is taxed. How many current players eve file to the IRS with their actual jobs, if they have one? Football players are basically told to give a total commitment to a school yet their scholarships are renewed each year. Thus a kid who puts on a team hat on national signing day is only guaranteed one year in a scholarship.

[Drakonius26]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but a good amount of these kids don't really value their education anyway, so why not take the scholarships off the table, and instead pay them. This charade of "amateur athletics" has gone on long enough, and no matter what the NCAA does it'll never really defer the schools from cheating the system unless you enforce the "Death Penalty" after the initial violation.

[dfwabel]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but a good amount of these kids don't really value their education anyway, so why not take the scholarships off the table, and instead pay them. This charade of "amateur athletics" has gone on long enough, and no matter what the NCAA does it'll never really defer the schools from cheating the system unless you enforce the "Death Penalty" after the initial violation.

Even if there was a "wage scale", boosters/alumni/friends of the program would increase that financial number plus the IRS would really get involved as they would be employees thus FICA would be involved from the institutions or their "athletic not-for-profit company". Plus HS athletes would go to teams in states which did not have a state income tax and those states/schools would also get the more successful coaches to also get said tax break.

[Lights Out]

So when does big time college football tell the NCAA and BCS to go F themselves and make their own league?

That'd be never, because the BCS overtly favors blue-blood programs and power conferences. It'd take the DOJ to bring down the BCS.

RE: paying players - the simple answer to why it isn't done is because, thanks to Title IX, schools would have to hand equal checks to athletes in non-revenue sports. This would bankrupt a lot of athletic departments. Also, you think college football is unfair now? The SEC would just buy all the five star recruits and leave the leftovers for everyone else. That's not a recipe for a sustainable sport.

[RyanMcD29]

As much as I am for reforming college football and the NCAA in general, the problem would end up being outside of football and men's basketball, what the hell are you gonna do for non-revenue sports and D-2 and D-3 sports? You're gonna open up a whole can of worms with that one, not to mention there isn't too much of a problem with those aspects of the NCAA.

[thespleenenator]

So when does big time college football tell the NCAA and BCS to go F themselves and make their own league? I laugh and laugh when people talk about the integrity and tradition of the sport. Pay the players, have a playoff, blow up the conferences, I don't care. This is a minor league for the NFL and has been for years.

WARNING: RANT INCOMING

Ok, I'm sorry, but paying the players would be the worst idea ever, mainly because it would discriminate against other athletes and students. Football players and basketball players are not the only ones who are struggling to get a meal. What about the art student who didn't get a full ride scholarship because he wasn't 6'2 270lbs? So what if they don't value their education? News flash, YOU ARE STILL GOING TO SCHOOL! If you can't appreciate the fact that you are going to college for free to play outside, then I don't know what to tell you. Yes, i realize that those athletes make the school money, but so do other students. What about the business major who ends up being a multi millionaire? It's in the future, but he's got a helluva lot better chance at benefitting the school in the long run than the failed college football star. The other problem is that if football players, or any other athletes, were payed, then every student would become some sort of athlete and all of a sudden the school is paying students to go to class, which is wrong. And if it's just football, then that discriminates against other sports that produce revenue, just not quite as much as the football team. So what, you can't get paid because you chose to play basketball instead of football? The entire argument for paying players is ridiculous and shows just how little americans value education.

[pcgd]

Players are getting paid. Tuition, room and board. I didn't get anything and I made it as a full time, 2 sport athlete. I don't come from money either.

[dfwabel]

So when does big time college football tell the NCAA and BCS to go F themselves and make their own league? I laugh and laugh when people talk about the integrity and tradition of the sport. Pay the players, have a playoff, blow up the conferences, I don't care. This is a minor league for the NFL and has been for years.

WARNING: RANT INCOMING

Ok, I'm sorry, but paying the players would be the worst idea ever, mainly because it would discriminate against other athletes and students. Football players and basketball players are not the only ones who are struggling to get a meal. What about the art student who didn't get a full ride scholarship because he wasn't 6'2 270lbs? So what if they don't value their education? News flash, YOU ARE STILL GOING TO SCHOOL! If you can't appreciate the fact that you are going to college for free to play outside, then I don't know what to tell you. Yes, i realize that those athletes make the school money, but so do other students. What about the business major who ends up being a multi millionaire? It's in the future, but he's got a helluva lot better chance at benefitting the school in the long run than the failed college football star. The other problem is that if football players, or any other athletes, were payed, then every student would become some sort of athlete and all of a sudden the school is paying students to go to class, which is wrong. And if it's just football, then that discriminates against other sports that produce revenue, just not quite as much as the football team. So what, you can't get paid because you chose to play basketball instead of football? The entire argument for paying players is ridiculous and shows just how little americans value education.

First off, "the other students" are able to work 24/7/365 while a scholarship athlete is prohibited from working during their playing season.

Your analogy of a business major is ineffective as you allude to what they may do AFTER graduation. You would have been better suited if you claimed that an undergraduate student was on campus and used school property (like computer servers) to start their business. If a researcher uses university tools, it still can be the university's intellectual property. When a HS senior signs a letter of intent, they sign away their licensing rights FOREVER. That seems crappy to me, but that is the way it is and the Ed O'Bannon case may solve that issue since former athletes who competed before the LOI do not have rights to their likeness during their collegiate playing days.

What the heck is "payed"?

[Breakwood]

I heard about the WVU infractions earlier but was on vacation so I didn't hear what they actually were. Turns out back when Rich Rod was in charge WVU have more coaches and personnel involved in Football operations than allowed by the NCAA. Wow! I mean a rule's a rule, but that's a lame rule.