winghaz Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Gothamite, I'm sorry what has happened to you. But to compare your situation with the UND/Standing Rock one is like comparing apples with broccoli.And the how or why is particularly relevant, especially in this case, because you have to understand Standing Rock and its situation to really get a grasp the whole thing. The NCAA refused to do so, which seems rather silly for a bunch of supposedly educated people.The bottom line is the NCAA acted like a bunch of dictators, even saying state law doesn't matter. Well, dammit, state law SHOULD matter, and NCAA officials shouldn't think of their organization as above state law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 No, state law shouldn't matter. Not when state law was passed because legislators were throwing a tantrum because they don't like a private organization's rules. I'm not saying my situation is a tragedy. Neither is the loss of a school's nickname.My point was that whether turned down by conscious choice or political paralysis, there is no automatic right to license somebody else's intellectual property. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosioux76 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 [quote name='oldschoolvikings' timestamp='1313244864' post=oJust for me personally, I feel the biggest tragedy here will be the pages of boneheaded blather from people who'll say for the 1000th time "How come callin' yerself Bears ain't considered offensive to Bears??"Amen to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltjets21 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Whats their new name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winghaz Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 There is no new name, which I think is wrong. There are plenty of good possibilities -- Roughriders, Fighting Norse, etc.I have a feeling UND will go without a nickname for a few years, and that's a mistake. Had UND picked a new nickname right away -- a nickname that North Dakotans could get behind -- we might not have had all these bad feelings about the NCAA and its decision. Sure, there would still be some bad feelings, but they would have been softened by a good nickname that represents North Dakota well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearhead Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 How can the name "Sioux" be intellectual property? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideRight Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 They should just become the Fightin' Shoes. Maybe the Fightin' Stew, or the Fightin' Shrews.Since they will use an ND logo anyway, no need to change much, just a minor change in pronunciation is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 How can the name "Sioux" be intellectual property?When it refers to an organized, established and Federally recognized tribe. They have the right to control the use of their name. The NCAA allows universities to use specific native names sp long as they secure permission. ND was able to secure that permission from one group but not the other, so ND is out of luck there. Florida State fared better in their appeal, so they get to use a name. I think the NCAA policy is an inspired one, an elegant compromise between cultural appropriation and athletic custom. It allows the people supposedly represented a veto over the use of their own creation, the nation and the name it's known by. Seems more than fair. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONUV Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Does the 1st Amendment not apply? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cujo Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 North Dakota should be more than willing to change their nickname. After this debacle, and seeing that the Sioux tribe wants NOTHING to do with the school, why would they want to continue to be associated with the them? I say just move on and begin a new tradition that the school, and everyone, would be proud to be a part of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian in Boston Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 can someone tell me how or or is offensive, but or or is not.Because the name "Fighting Sioux" is accompanied by a graphic depiction of a Native American, while the name "Fighting Irish" is accompanied by a graphic depiction of a fictional creature - namely, a leprechaun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Does the 1st Amendment not apply?No. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deliver2david Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Great news. Hopefully, North Dakota's alumni, students and fans are involved in the selection of a new nickname that their community can be proud of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC in Da House w/o a Doubt Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 What about Purdue's mascot and logos? What, all white people are blue collar mill workers? Well maybe that offends me a little bit. I understand the Notre Dame logo is a fictional leprechaun, but what about this guy?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 And now we're finally on to "offending bears". Congrats. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yh Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 I am familiar with the situation. The second tribe did not agree to license the name. The why or how is not particularly relevant. ND couldn't get a license to use the name, so they can't use the name. Simple as that. I'm in a similar situation right now; I've been trying to option a novel for years. The author's estate has decided that they don't want it optioned, so no go. Doesn't matter that my adaptation will be good, that I've solved the question of how to translate the literary conceits into a different medium or that my version would only help the author's reputation. Doesn't matter that I'm offering cash money. I'm not competing with anyone else for the rights; they're just not interested in an adaptation. They won't even hear my pitch. My hard luck, but entirely within their rights. Maybe in the future, things will change. For ND and for me.You're certainly entitled to your opinion, however I can also understand where the Milne estate has a compelling interest in keeping "The Erotic Adventures of Winnie the Pooh" off the market without giving your pitch due consideration.Back on topic, I think the University of North Dakota CFL Colts has a lovely ring to it. I endorse this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruColor Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Back on topic, I think the University of North Dakota CFL Colts has a lovely ring to it. I endorse this.This. A thousand times this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 You're certainly entitled to your opinion, however I can also understand where the Milne estate has a compelling interest in keeping "The Erotic Adventures of Winnie the Pooh" off the market without giving your pitch due consideration.Milne estate is fully on board. They know if would clean. up. It's Disney that's the problem. Typical Mouse House: no vision. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCap Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 And now we're finally on to "offending bears". Congrats.I'm personally fond of the "first amendment" talk in threads like this. PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmee Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Flickertails would be a great name for the team, though good luck coming up with a squirrel logo that looks as proud as the outgoing Fighting Sioux logo.To me, the NCAA policy on this kind of thing makes perfect sense. If you can get the approval of the group you're name for, you can keep using it. If not, you're out. Seems pretty cut and dry to me. Obviously, it became tricky for UND thanks to the one tribe opting in while another opted out, but them's the breaks.I wonder what happens now with the rich blowhard who threatened to take back his shiny new hockey arena if the school ever changed its nickname. The world's foremost practitioners of professional tag-team wrestling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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