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What do these made-for-TV "Bracket Busters" games do for these mid-majors, anyway?

To me, it seems that these games do more harm than help for mid-majors on the bubble.

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What do these made-for-TV "Bracket Busters" games do for these mid-majors, anyway?

To me, it seems that these games do more harm than help for mid-majors on the bubble.

It helps break up the monotomy of conference play, for one...

It helps those who win the games. Murray State's best wins were against Memphis and Southern Miss (on a neutral court). To most people, that is not impressive. The win over St. Mary's last night helps boost the stock for a possible at-large bid for the Racers.

It gives these teams a chance to face a strong opponent towards the end of the season.

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They also knock out mid-majors that are on the bubble.

Mid-majors beating up other mid-majors doesn't help their cause any. They would be much better off facing established major programs than playing similar teams. To me, these staged "Bracket Busters" games ultimately give major-conference programs more at-large berths than mid-majors.

To folks that aren't huge college basketball fans, beating St. Mary's isn't as impressive as, say, beating Louisville or losing to Duke by 5.

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They also knock out mid-majors that are on the bubble.

Mid-majors beating up other mid-majors doesn't help their cause any. They would be much better off facing established major programs than playing similar teams. To me, these staged "Bracket Busters" games ultimately give major-conference programs more at-large berths than mid-majors.

To folks that aren't huge college basketball fans, beating St. Mary's isn't as impressive as, say, beating Louisville or losing to Duke by 5.

I understand your point, man, but with some of these teams, those major programs want nothing to do with them. You can only do so much if all of them just keep saying 'no'. That's when an event like this can help a team... but, like you said, it can also harm them.

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For BracketBusters, the only "harm" they do is force teams to play a conference game in December in order to free up the weekend for a Busters game.

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I really hope BYU leaves the WCC for the Big 12. Having them in the conference just ruins the perfect symmetry the conference had with 8 schools.

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BracketBusters does harm some mid-majors, but it gives others a big win, and more importantly television exposure, that bolsters its resume.

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They also knock out mid-majors that are on the bubble.

Mid-majors beating up other mid-majors doesn't help their cause any. They would be much better off facing established major programs than playing similar teams. To me, these staged "Bracket Busters" games ultimately give major-conference programs more at-large berths than mid-majors.

To folks that aren't huge college basketball fans, beating St. Mary's isn't as impressive as, say, beating Louisville or losing to Duke by 5.

No it doesn't knock them out because most of the teams playing in BracketBusters are either a) at-large locks (Murray St Wichita St Creighton etc) b ) not in the bubble picture (Drexel Cleve St Nevada ODU Buffalo etc) or c) almost locks to win their conference tournament (Iona Davidson Long Beach St South Dakota St Akron Weber State). What BB does do is give each time a prime chance to prove their worth; Murray State was a questionable profile until their win over SMC, same with Wichita State, the world knows who Nate Wolters is, etc. While some of the matchups are less than desirable for the bubble situations, I think most of the teams that lost games didn't have an at-large shot anyway, and instead gained an opportunity to prepare against a tournament-caliber opponent and get a distraction from conference play.

Your last argument is kinda dumb because it's not like the selection committee are "not huge college basketball fans," and really, that's the main goal of BB.

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My point is that mid-major teams don't really gain much by playing each other. Certainly not as much as beating (or losing closely to) a well-known major basketball program.

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I'm quoting Limp Bizkit for the next few days for my avatar. You're welcome, Nike Platinum Elite Uniform System :P

Oh, and Binghamton's leading with less than two minutes left. Granted, they're about to blow it, but still...

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My point is that mid-major teams don't really gain much by playing each other. Certainly not as much as beating (or losing closely to) a well-known major basketball program.

An RPI Top 100 win is an RPI Top 100 win.

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My point is that mid-major teams don't really gain much by playing each other. Certainly not as much as beating (or losing closely to) a well-known major basketball program.

It was a good idea at the start that became quite useless once every "mid-major" got in on the action - 142 schools this year. The whole Big South participated in the BracketBusters, and let's face it - my beloved Winthrop included, the Big South is a low-major conference.

What it really does is create a large travel budget for teams that otherwise wouldn't spend that money to travel to a far-away game.

Buffalo went to South Dakota State (1,158 mi)

Akron went to Oral Roberts (937 mi)

High Point went to Stephen F. Austin (891 mi)

Toledo went to Sam Houston State (1,205 mi)

Campbell went to Northwestern State (1,001 mi)

Nevada went to Iona (2,704 mi)

All those games have to be returned within 2 years.

Obviously the teams knew about the possibilities of a large travel cost when agreeing to participate, but is a mostly-meaningless non-conference game that's not going to matter much in the selection show (if those teams make it in the first place) really worth it?

Sometimes, but rarely.

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I'm quoting Limp Bizkit for the next few days for my avatar. You're welcome, Nike Platinum Elite Uniform System :P

Oh, and Binghamton's leading with less than two minutes left. Granted, they're about to blow it, but still...

Fortunately, Binghamton pulled it off, so now there are no winless teams in D1.

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Illinois basketball needs to be taken to a quiet spot in the woods and put down.

I'm excited as ever for these guys to fire Weber, hire some random nobody, and let mediocre undersized players permeate the program for the next 5-10 years.

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Illinois basketball needs to be taken to a quiet spot in the woods and put down.

I'm excited as ever for these guys to fire Weber, hire some random nobody, and let mediocre undersized players permeate the program for the next 5-10 years.

I'm really curious to see who they end up hiring. Hopefully whoever it is starts getting actual big men. The tall lanky center with three guards never worked out for Weber. And if Leonard leaves (which he probably should) their center is...another tall skinny guy who has nowhere near the athletic ability of Leonard. A couple of rumors are two of the Duke assistants, one of which is from Chicago, so that might be alright. But they need to start actually getting some of the top recruits from Chicago which we haven't seen at all with Weber. Whatever they end up doing it's going to be a few years at the very least before we can get back to that second tier of programs behind Duke, Carolina, and Kansas where Illinois has been historically.

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Illinois basketball needs to be taken to a quiet spot in the woods and put down.

I'm excited as ever for these guys to fire Weber, hire some random nobody, and let mediocre undersized players permeate the program for the next 5-10 years.

I'm really curious to see who they end up hiring. Hopefully whoever it is starts getting actual big men. The tall lanky center with three guards never worked out for Weber. And if Leonard leaves (which he probably should) their center is...another tall skinny guy who has nowhere near the athletic ability of Leonard. A couple of rumors are two of the Duke assistants, one of which is from Chicago, so that might be alright. But they need to start actually getting some of the top recruits from Chicago which we haven't seen at all with Weber. Whatever they end up doing it's going to be a few years at the very least before we can get back to that second tier of programs behind Duke, Carolina, and Kansas where Illinois has been historically.

That's the whole thing - I don't think Illinois knows what it wants to be going forward. If they want to actually compete they'll need to get a coach that's got drawing power and is recognizable and invest in getting Chicago to come south to play ball.

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Illinois basketball needs to be taken to a quiet spot in the woods and put down.

I'm excited as ever for these guys to fire Weber, hire some random nobody, and let mediocre undersized players permeate the program for the next 5-10 years.

I'm really curious to see who they end up hiring. Hopefully whoever it is starts getting actual big men. The tall lanky center with three guards never worked out for Weber. And if Leonard leaves (which he probably should) their center is...another tall skinny guy who has nowhere near the athletic ability of Leonard. A couple of rumors are two of the Duke assistants, one of which is from Chicago, so that might be alright. But they need to start actually getting some of the top recruits from Chicago which we haven't seen at all with Weber. Whatever they end up doing it's going to be a few years at the very least before we can get back to that second tier of programs behind Duke, Carolina, and Kansas where Illinois has been historically.

That's the whole thing - I don't think Illinois knows what it wants to be going forward. If they want to actually compete they'll need to get a coach that's got drawing power and is recognizable and invest in getting Chicago to come south to play ball.

Well, folks, the Illini might have a bit of a problem, sees as those guys are scarce to begin with and money is kind of short at the moment.

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Well, folks, the Illini might have a bit of a problem, sees as those guys are scarce to begin with and money is kind of short at the moment.

Then what do you accomplish by firing Weber?

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Well, folks, the Illini might have a bit of a problem, sees as those guys are scarce to begin with and money is kind of short at the moment.

Then what do you accomplish by firing Weber?

In reality nothing. In boosterland, you feel some mild cathartic relief before going back to pining for Chicago players who are kind of overrated anyway.

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